What do a billion muslims actually think about Bin Laden?

gue_barium · December 2006

the face wrote:

I agree with MrBrian on this one. Im no leftist, and more slightly right of center these days, and I never voted for Bush but I was sold on that war from the outset. And 9/11 was the selling point. The reality is Bush Jr. was going to get his payback on Saddam for trying to kill his daddy with or without 9/11.

I don't think the daddy thing played much into it. It was and still is the people who surround and encourage him with their corporate expansionist dreams.

El_Kabong · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

It's one thing to be in "solidarity" with the innocent victims of terrorism. That's a political stunt.

It's another thing to completely and undeniably support the terrorist groups that caused those innocent people to be butchered.

September 11, 2006 Poll by Al-Jazeera; the results of a questionnaire taken by 41,260 Arab viewers:

2) Do you support Osama bin Laden?
Yes - 49.9 %
No - 50.1 %

Okay, so they had candelight vigils, how nice! 50% of them still support the guy who ran those planes into our buildings. That's half. That's 20,630 in just that poll.

That's a lot of people, eh?

What do they REALLY think? They support the guy who killed our people.

what i think is this is the ONLY time you will be in support of something by al jazeera and that if it had been an article criticizing us from them you'd dismiss it b/c its from al jazeera...pick and choose, pick and choose....

El_Kabong · December 2006

the face wrote:

I agree with MrBrian on this one. Im no leftist, and more slightly right of center these days, and I never voted for Bush but I was sold on that war from the outset. And 9/11 was the selling point. The reality is Bush Jr. was going to get his payback on Saddam for trying to kill his daddy with or without 9/11.

and if you read pnac's <cheney, rummy, wolfowitz, perle, libby...> policy paper redfining america's defenses written 9/00: '...the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

and if you listen to anoher pnac member, midge decter, in 2004:
“We’re not in the Middle East to bring sweetness and light to the world. We’re there to get something we and our friends in Europe depend on. Namely, oil.”

pieceofdust · December 2006

"Palestinians will once again be dancing in the streets with joy."

This was proven to not be what they were dancing about. The celebration had nothing to do with September 11th.

CorporateWhore · December 2006

El_Kabong wrote:

what i think is this is the ONLY time you will be in support of something by al jazeera and that if it had been an article criticizing us from them you'd dismiss it b/c its from al jazeera...pick and choose, pick and choose....

An article can have opinions. This is a statistical fact. That number of Arab Muslims support Osama bin Laden, plus or minus. Nothing to argue about.

elmer · December 2006

The majority feel a sense of pride.

jubilairesjl · December 2006

probably like a magnified feeling that Christians have for Michael Peter Woroniecki

gue_barium · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

If another terrorist attack happens on American soil, you'll see those stats return to how they were and Palestinians will once again be dancing in the streets with joy.

Muslims in those countries are winning, not losing. This is why they can afford to cool their tempers. They are not the ones who should be angry - we should. We are failing to fight the enemy decisively.

They're coming into the west in much larger numbers than we're coming into their countries. We send troops, but they send potential voters. Which is more dangerous to an institution? A soldier can kill a martyr, but hundreds will take the martyr's place. A foreigner can gain citizenship and vote, and he can effectively cripple our democracy.

Civilizations destroy themselves from within first, as any good historian knows. We are destroying ourselves by allowing vast numbers of foreign people into our country who have no intention of supporting our democracy or respecting its institutions. Their culture is foreign and immoral.

One lowly congressman, a Muslim, brings you to this.
And I suppose, like that Virgil whatever-his-name is from Virginia. You people need a place to sit, really. You see, its childish crap like this that spoils the civil table and takes the focus off of meaningful discussion. The little brats are at it again, Paw. Well, Maw, you shouldn't have gave them so much of that candy before dinner. What are we gonna do about this, Paw? Well, if I could whoop em with my belt, I would, but, you know, that would be amoral.

Amoral? Like the Muslims, Daddy?

The Waiting Trophy Man · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

They're coming into the west in much larger numbers than we're coming into their countries. We send troops, but they send potential voters. Which is more dangerous to an institution? A foreigner can gain citizenship and vote, and he can effectively cripple our democracy.

Civilizations destroy themselves from within first, as any good historian knows. We are destroying ourselves by allowing vast numbers of foreign people into our country who have no intention of supporting our democracy or respecting its institutions.

ya but, if they're coming here to vote, how is that not "supporting our democracy or respecting its institutions" ????

Kann · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

An article can have opinions. This is a statistical fact. That number of Arab Muslims support Osama bin Laden, plus or minus. Nothing to argue about.

Well actually there is. Al Jazeera is not exactly a neutral chanel. It's kind of like (it's a bit exagerrated but it carries the idea) asking fox viewers if they support Bush.

jlew24asu · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

I don't think the daddy thing played much into it. It was and still is the people who surround and encourage him with their corporate expansionist dreams.

I'll never understand this line of thinking. this war had nothing to do with "corporate expansionist dreams". that is a catchy lil phrase. did you come up with that yourself??

gue_barium · December 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

I'll never understand this line of thinking. this war had nothing to do with "corporate expansionist dreams". that is a catchy lil phrase. did you come up with that yourself??

It aligns itself with the neocon dream. Certainly you've heard of those folks.

elmer · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

They're coming into the west in much larger numbers than we're coming into their countries. We send troops, but they send potential voters. Which is more dangerous to an institution? A soldier can kill a martyr, but hundreds will take the martyr's place. A foreigner can gain citizenship and vote, and he can effectively cripple our democracy.

Civilizations destroy themselves from within first, as any good historian knows. We are destroying ourselves by allowing vast numbers of foreign people into our country who have no intention of supporting our democracy or respecting its institutions. Their culture is foreign and immoral.

thank you

jlew24asu · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

It aligns itself with the neocon dream. Certainly you've heard of those folks.

yea yea yea the PNAC. they used remote controls to fly planes in the WTC on 9/11. I heard all about em

gue_barium · December 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

yea yea yea the PNAC. they used remote controls to fly planes in the WTC on 9/11. I heard all about em

I realize you aren't very educated on a lot of what's been going on the past few years, and I don't feel I need to be responsible for catching you up, so you're going to have to look elsewhere.

jlew24asu · December 2006

gue_barium wrote:

I realize you aren't very educated on a lot of what's been going on the past few years, and I don't feel I need to be responsible for catching you up, so you're going to have to look elsewhere.

please I would love for you to show me the light.

hippiemom · December 2006

jlew24asu wrote:

yea yea yea the PNAC. they used remote controls to fly planes in the WTC on 9/11. I heard all about em

I don't think the PNAC was responsible for 9/11, but is there really any question that they'd been waiting years for just such an opportunity? It played into their hands perfectly, enabling them to go back to Iraq and do what they thought Bush I should have done in the first place.

NMyTree · December 2006

hippiemom wrote:

I don't think the PNAC was responsible for 9/11, but is there really any question that they'd been waiting years for just such an opportunity? It played into their hands perfectly, enabling them to go back to Iraq and do what they thought Bush I should have done in the first place.

Seems to make more sense. It's also interesting that the facts almost seem to indicate that they knew it was coming and they allowed it to happen.

hippiemom · December 2006

NMyTree wrote:

Seems to make more sense. It's also interesting that the facts almost seem to indicate that they knew it was coming and they allowed it to happen.

I don't have enough information to say whether or not I think they allowed it to happen ... I haven't read nearly as much on it as a lot of people here ... but given the people we're talking about and the other atrocities they've been responsible for, I can't say I'd be terribly surprised if that turned out to be the case.

El_Kabong · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

It's one thing to be in "solidarity" with the innocent victims of terrorism. That's a political stunt.

It's another thing to completely and undeniably support the terrorist groups that caused those innocent people to be butchered.

September 11, 2006 Poll by Al-Jazeera; the results of a questionnaire taken by 41,260 Arab viewers:

2) Do you support Osama bin Laden?
Yes - 49.9 %
No - 50.1 %

Okay, so they had candelight vigils, how nice! 50% of them still support the guy who ran those planes into our buildings. That's half. That's 20,630 in just that poll.

That's a lot of people, eh?

What do they REALLY think? They support the guy who killed our people.

can you not see how you rationalize the millions killed by us policy is seen as the same thing to them? we're selling the guns to their leaders who are holding them to their heads and executing them with, our money is helping prop them up, our support is helping protect these things and allow them to continue.

believe it or not forgetting and forgiving the creation, support, training, arming...of deathsquads can be a hard thing to do.

we talk about saddam's rape rooms as a good reason for the war...yet colombia's military seems to have a bit of a rape problem themselves and they get over a billion of our tax dollars in aid a year...

What do a billion muslims actually think about Bin Laden?

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