I'm not sure that addressed my point, but yes, I agree...there are plenty of musicians who don't think when it comes to politics, and merely echo what they hear...lack of originality.
My question is, is what is a fox news soundbite?
A Fox News soundbite is when O'Reilly or Hannity or one of their other talking heads says something, then you come here the next day and see it posted almost verbatim, and someone asks the poster what the hell he's talking about and he never responds, or responds with further one-line nonsense that doesn't explain anything ... more sound bites.
Not that there aren't others who speak in sound bites from other sources, but I didn't say "Franken soundbites" because I was talking to miller and I'd be very surprised indeed to hear him stealing words out of Al Franken's mouth.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
A Fox News soundbite is when O'Reilly or Hannity or one of their other talking heads says something, then you come here the next day and see it posted almost verbatim, and someone asks the poster what the hell he's talking about and he never responds, or responds with further one-line nonsense that doesn't explain anything ... more sound bites.
Well ok, but how's that different that someone pontificating on here? I see the same stuff here verbatim. whatever. how about addressing the actual points?
Rush, Beck, and Ingraham didn't invent the points any more than did Walter Chronkite (sp?), Dan Rather, or whomever. I listen to Rush, Beck and Ingraham, and wow, I actually disagree with them on lots of stuff...but just because we echo some of the same arguements doesn't mean we are repeating them...arrow of causality suggests that we choose our own media sources
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Well ok, but that's how's that different that someone pontificating on here? I see the same stuff here verbatim. whatever. how about addressing the actual points?
Rush, Beck, and Ingraham didn't invent the points any more than did Walter Chronkite (sp?), Dan Rather, or whomever. I listen to Rush, Beck and Ingraham, and wow, I actually disagree with them on lots of stuff...but just because we echo some of the same arguements doesn't mean we are repeating them...arrow of causality suggests that we choose our own media sources
The difference is, if I ask you why you made some statement, my guess is that you'd explain in some detail why you hold that opinion. In fact, I would expect you not to make some broad, sweeping statement in the first place, without going into some depth. If you can elaborate on a topic, address specific points, then it means something, it has substance, because you've thought it through and you're not merely echoing what you've heard.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
America did not win it like CorporateWhore said but you helped and that's still a good thing, I don't see anyone denying that.
Ended communism
Not communism. The USSR.
]Helped restructure europe after ww2.
Yes, another good thing, though it is very interesting to read the critisism on the Marshall plan.
Now the question remains, do these things outweigh all the bad thing the US have done? Can you acknowledge the bad things or are you going to pretend they never happened.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of the good things your country has done, as long as you don't forget the bad things.
There are plenty of people here who can tell you not only what they think, but they can tell you why they think it. There are others that merely echo what they've heard elsewhere, whether it's Fox or Rush or Franken or Moore ... they rarely if ever provide examples or explanations, they just say "The U.S. is the greatest country ever!" or "Israel is an evil occupying force!" or whatever their cause of the day is, but if they have any idea why they think those things, they don't share it with the rest of us. You know which people are which.
O fox news bites...lol
How many times a day do we see zmag copy and pastes?
The ancient Greeks and Parthians knew of static electricity from rubbing objects against fur. The ancient Babylonians may have had some knowledge of electroplating, based on the discovery of the Baghdad Battery, which resembles a Galvanic cell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity#History_of_discovery
Across the Atlantic, parallel developments were also taking place. On July 24, 1874 a Canadian patent was filed for the Woodward and Evans Light by a Toronto medical electrician named Henry Woodward and a colleague Mathew Evans. They built their lamps with different sizes and shapes of carbon filaments held between electrodes in glass globes filled with nitrogen. Woodward and Evans attempted to commercialise their bulb, but were unsuccessful. Nonetheless, Thomas Edison considered their approach sufficiently promising that he bought the rights to both their Canadian and US patents before embarking on his own light bulb development program. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile
In 1806 François Isaac de Rivaz, a Swiss inventor, designed the first internal combustion engine (sometimes abbreviated "ICE" today). He subsequently used it to develop the world's first vehicle to run on such an engine that used a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen to generate energy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile#History
And just for your enjoyment, various inventions or contributions by Canada.
Alkaline battery
Ardox Spiral Nail
Automatic Lubricating Cup
Basketball
Birch-Bark Canoe
BlackBerry
Bloody Caesar
Canadarm
Caulking gun
Cobalt-60 “Bomb” Cancer Treatment
CPR-Mannequin: “Actar 911”
Crash-Position Indicator-CPI
Electric Oven
Electric Wheelchair
Electron Microscope
Electronic Music Synthesizer
Explosives Vapour Detector
Five Pin Bowling
Fog horn
Goalie mask
Green Garbage Bag
G-Suit
Instant Mashed Potatoes
Instant Replay
Insulin
Java programming language
Key Frame Animation
Lacrosse
Light Bulb
Marine Screw Propeller
Marquis Wheat
Pablum
Pacemaker
Paint roller
Plexiglas
Poutine
Radio Voice Transmission
Retractable Beer Carton Handle
Robertson screw
Self-Propelled Combine Harvester
Separable Baggage Check
Ski-Doo
Snowblower
Standard Time
Telephone
UV Degradable Plastics
Walkie-Talkie
Weevac 6
Wonderbra
Zipper
Getting pwned on a thread from time to time is no big deal....I mean i wouldnt know, i do it to people all the time.
you may want to look 'pwned' up...i don't think it means what you think it means...
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Lincoln took away journalists' habeus corpus rights. So Reagan bent the rules. Big effing deal. I support Oliver North et al completely. They served their country when congress wouldn't. Some of the best presidents have opposed other branches of government directly and pushed the rules.
so, i take it you can't explain how nicaragua was a threat to our democracy, eh?
Maybe the Iranians told them not to accept radio communications so the U.S. would shoot it down. That airport was a hub for tomcats also. Golly.
funny how you use the us government accounts...i guess you didn't bother to read the other sources i posted earlier? from the same wikipedia article:
'The unclassified version of a Congressional report of a U.S. Navy investigation headed by Admiral William Fogarty did not accurately show the location of the USS Vincennes some 2 NM (4 km) inside Iranian territorial waters.
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.'
hmmm, why did they lie about the positioning of the USS Vincennes? but i guess that's the only thing they lied about, right?
nope:
'When questioned by BBC journalists in a 2002 documentary, the U.S. government stated in a written answer that they believed the incident may have been caused by a simultaneous psychological condition amongst the 18 bridge crew of the Vincennes called 'scenario fulfillment' which is said to occur when persons are under pressure. In such a situation, the men will carry out a training scenario, believing it to be reality whilst ignoring sensory information that contradicts the scenario - in the case of this incident, the scenario was an attack by a lone military aircraft. This hypothesis, if true, could explain why the records of the Vincennes' instruments never indicated a craft resembling an F-14 being detected, whilst a civilian IFF signal was detected.'
hmmm...seems like they KNEW it wasn't an F-14
'The Fogarty report concluded, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from takeoff at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." The fault in the USS Vincennes lying directly in the airplane’s pathway is Captain Rogers'.
hmmm, so...why did they think it was an F-14, again? oh, right, b/c they said so!
you also lefrt out this part of the article
'At the time of the incident, the US Navy was carrying out Operation Praying Mantis against Iran - directly attacking Iranian Naval vessels and installations and Iranian off-shore oil facilities.'
There aren't many that come to mind. We're usually right.
so, again, i guess you can't back up the shit you talk?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
this attitude that America does nothing good that I see on here is kind of sad. I say all you have to do is look who the world turns to when there is a natural disaster. No one helps more then the American government and the American people. Sure some shitty things are done by the government also, but that is politics and it has been like that since the beginning of politics and will never change. So it is our job to question and to critisize but too many people think this country is the worst country on the planet when it is one of the best and if people put personal feelings aside and step back and look at it you know it is true.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
Pensacola '94 New Orleans '95 Birmingham '98 New Orleans '00 New Orleans '03 Tampa '08 New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest Fenway Park '18 St. Louis '22
so, i take it you can't explain how nicaragua was a threat to our democracy, eh?
funny how you use the us government accounts...i guess you didn't bother to read the other sources i posted earlier? from the same wikipedia article:
'The unclassified version of a Congressional report of a U.S. Navy investigation headed by Admiral William Fogarty did not accurately show the location of the USS Vincennes some 2 NM (4 km) inside Iranian territorial waters.
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.'
hmmm, why did they lie about the positioning of the USS Vincennes? but i guess that's the only thing they lied about, right?
nope:
'When questioned by BBC journalists in a 2002 documentary, the U.S. government stated in a written answer that they believed the incident may have been caused by a simultaneous psychological condition amongst the 18 bridge crew of the Vincennes called 'scenario fulfillment' which is said to occur when persons are under pressure. In such a situation, the men will carry out a training scenario, believing it to be reality whilst ignoring sensory information that contradicts the scenario - in the case of this incident, the scenario was an attack by a lone military aircraft. This hypothesis, if true, could explain why the records of the Vincennes' instruments never indicated a craft resembling an F-14 being detected, whilst a civilian IFF signal was detected.'
hmmm...seems like they KNEW it wasn't an F-14
'The Fogarty report concluded, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from takeoff at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." The fault in the USS Vincennes lying directly in the airplane’s pathway is Captain Rogers'.
hmmm, so...why did they think it was an F-14, again? oh, right, b/c they said so!
you also lefrt out this part of the article
'At the time of the incident, the US Navy was carrying out Operation Praying Mantis against Iran - directly attacking Iranian Naval vessels and installations and Iranian off-shore oil facilities.'
so, again, i guess you can't back up the shit you talk?
Your sources are crap and unsubstantiated. It was good talking to you.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Your sources are crap and unsubstantiated. It was good talking to you.
that's funny, my source is the very wikipedia article YOU used as YOUR source!
nice hearing you spout nonsense w/o ever backing any of it up
and this doesn't sound unsubstantiaed:
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.
so, the admiral of the vessel that shot down the airliner isn't good enough for you? hahahahahahaha
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
that's funny, my source is the very wikipedia article YOU used as YOUR source!
nice hearing you spout nonsense w/o ever backing any of it up
and this doesn't sound unsubstantiaed:
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.
so, the admiral of the vessel that shot down the airliner isn't good enough for you? hahahahahahaha
Nah, I'm saying that that guy can't take back his story a full 3 years after. That means he lied first. That means his integrity has been compromised.
Sorry.
The non-government accounts are unsubstantiated, chum. The guy lied first then took it back 3 years later. Nice. That's called compromising your integrity, but what would a liberal know about that.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Nah, I'm saying that that guy can't take back his story a full 3 years after. That means he lied first. That means his integrity has been compromised.
Sorry.
The non-government accounts are unsubstantiated, chum. The guy lied first then took it back 3 years later. Nice. That's called compromising your integrity, but what would a liberal know about that.
And we all know the government never lies....riiiight.
And why would the guy lie? If he took it back three years laters, it's probably due to pressure. But of course, in true form, you'll never believe your honest, caring government would ever lie to us. It doesn't matter what we post and how much proof there is....there's no room for learning with some people. They will always believe things to be the way they already have set in their mind, false or not.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Nah, I'm saying that that guy can't take back his story a full 3 years after. That means he lied first. That means his integrity has been compromised.
Sorry.
The non-government accounts are unsubstantiated, chum. The guy lied first then took it back 3 years later. Nice. That's called compromising your integrity, but what would a liberal know about that.
<sigh>
'a report by Admiral William Fogarty, entitled Formal Investigation into the Circumstances Surrounding the Downing of Iran Air Flight 655 on 3 July 1988.[3] Only parts of this report have been released (part I in 1988 and part II in 1993), which has drawn criticizm from many observers.'
so, the Navy issued a report, is the Navy credible enough? doesnt the navy count as a governmental source?? what did that report say, you ask?
The Fogarty report concluded, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from takeoff at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." The fault in the USS Vincennes lying directly in the airplane’s pathway is Captain Rogers'.
anyway, just quit the constant backpeddling, even i'm starting to feel embarassed for you.
you insist we always take accountability for our wrongs...i point out us shooting down a commerical aicraft killing a couple hundred innocent ppl...instead of showing how we took accountability for this <actually saying we'll never apologize and handing out medals seems the exact opposite> you justify and rationalize why it was shot down...who cares if they thought it was an F-14, was it an F-14?? no, it was a civilian airliner. so, then even if we had every reason to believe it may have been an F-15 it wasn't and we killed innocent ppl. so where is the accountability?
but i guess you won't answer this just like you've refused to answer how Nicaragua's democratic elections were a threat to our country. you an say b/c they were commies all you want but who is our biggest trading partner now? isn't it...communist china? don't we import far more than we export from them? we've got a pretty big trade deficit w/ those commies. so, again, to avoid saying we didn't take accountability for bombing and mining hte harbors of Nicaragua you say they were a threat to us b/c they elected a marxist in a democratic election. i don't see how that justifies killing so many. just like i don't see how supposedly thinking it was an F-14 justifies killing those hundres of ppl in the iranian flight. stop digging yourself into a hole
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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Not that there aren't others who speak in sound bites from other sources, but I didn't say "Franken soundbites" because I was talking to miller and I'd be very surprised indeed to hear him stealing words out of Al Franken's mouth.
Well ok, but how's that different that someone pontificating on here? I see the same stuff here verbatim. whatever. how about addressing the actual points?
Rush, Beck, and Ingraham didn't invent the points any more than did Walter Chronkite (sp?), Dan Rather, or whomever. I listen to Rush, Beck and Ingraham, and wow, I actually disagree with them on lots of stuff...but just because we echo some of the same arguements doesn't mean we are repeating them...arrow of causality suggests that we choose our own media sources
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
America did not win it like CorporateWhore said but you helped and that's still a good thing, I don't see anyone denying that.
Not communism. The USSR.
Yes, another good thing, though it is very interesting to read the critisism on the Marshall plan.
Now the question remains, do these things outweigh all the bad thing the US have done? Can you acknowledge the bad things or are you going to pretend they never happened.
There's nothing wrong with being proud of the good things your country has done, as long as you don't forget the bad things.
naděje umírá poslední
O fox news bites...lol
How many times a day do we see zmag copy and pastes?
LOl the foghorn is really important....
Canada is a step up from a central asian country.
you may want to look 'pwned' up...i don't think it means what you think it means...
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
so, i take it you can't explain how nicaragua was a threat to our democracy, eh?
funny how you use the us government accounts...i guess you didn't bother to read the other sources i posted earlier? from the same wikipedia article:
'The unclassified version of a Congressional report of a U.S. Navy investigation headed by Admiral William Fogarty did not accurately show the location of the USS Vincennes some 2 NM (4 km) inside Iranian territorial waters.
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.'
hmmm, why did they lie about the positioning of the USS Vincennes? but i guess that's the only thing they lied about, right?
nope:
'When questioned by BBC journalists in a 2002 documentary, the U.S. government stated in a written answer that they believed the incident may have been caused by a simultaneous psychological condition amongst the 18 bridge crew of the Vincennes called 'scenario fulfillment' which is said to occur when persons are under pressure. In such a situation, the men will carry out a training scenario, believing it to be reality whilst ignoring sensory information that contradicts the scenario - in the case of this incident, the scenario was an attack by a lone military aircraft. This hypothesis, if true, could explain why the records of the Vincennes' instruments never indicated a craft resembling an F-14 being detected, whilst a civilian IFF signal was detected.'
hmmm...seems like they KNEW it wasn't an F-14
'The Fogarty report concluded, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from takeoff at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." The fault in the USS Vincennes lying directly in the airplane’s pathway is Captain Rogers'.
hmmm, so...why did they think it was an F-14, again? oh, right, b/c they said so!
you also lefrt out this part of the article
'At the time of the incident, the US Navy was carrying out Operation Praying Mantis against Iran - directly attacking Iranian Naval vessels and installations and Iranian off-shore oil facilities.'
so, again, i guess you can't back up the shit you talk?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
Your sources are crap and unsubstantiated. It was good talking to you.
-Enoch Powell
that's funny, my source is the very wikipedia article YOU used as YOUR source!
nice hearing you spout nonsense w/o ever backing any of it up
and this doesn't sound unsubstantiaed:
Three years after the incident, Admiral William J. Crowe admitted on American television show Nightline that the Vincennes was inside Iranian territorial waters when it launched the missiles.[8] This contradicted earlier Navy claims.
so, the admiral of the vessel that shot down the airliner isn't good enough for you? hahahahahahaha
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Nah, I'm saying that that guy can't take back his story a full 3 years after. That means he lied first. That means his integrity has been compromised.
Sorry.
The non-government accounts are unsubstantiated, chum. The guy lied first then took it back 3 years later. Nice. That's called compromising your integrity, but what would a liberal know about that.
-Enoch Powell
And we all know the government never lies....riiiight.
And why would the guy lie? If he took it back three years laters, it's probably due to pressure. But of course, in true form, you'll never believe your honest, caring government would ever lie to us. It doesn't matter what we post and how much proof there is....there's no room for learning with some people. They will always believe things to be the way they already have set in their mind, false or not.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
<sigh>
'a report by Admiral William Fogarty, entitled Formal Investigation into the Circumstances Surrounding the Downing of Iran Air Flight 655 on 3 July 1988.[3] Only parts of this report have been released (part I in 1988 and part II in 1993), which has drawn criticizm from many observers.'
so, the Navy issued a report, is the Navy credible enough? doesnt the navy count as a governmental source?? what did that report say, you ask?
The Fogarty report concluded, "The data from USS Vincennes tapes, information from USS Sides and reliable intelligence information, corroborate the fact that [Iran Air Flight 655] was on a normal commercial air flight plan profile, in the assigned airway, squawking Mode III 6760, on a continuous ascent in altitude from takeoff at Bandar Abbas to shoot-down." The fault in the USS Vincennes lying directly in the airplane’s pathway is Captain Rogers'.
anyway, just quit the constant backpeddling, even i'm starting to feel embarassed for you.
you insist we always take accountability for our wrongs...i point out us shooting down a commerical aicraft killing a couple hundred innocent ppl...instead of showing how we took accountability for this <actually saying we'll never apologize and handing out medals seems the exact opposite> you justify and rationalize why it was shot down...who cares if they thought it was an F-14, was it an F-14?? no, it was a civilian airliner. so, then even if we had every reason to believe it may have been an F-15 it wasn't and we killed innocent ppl. so where is the accountability?
but i guess you won't answer this just like you've refused to answer how Nicaragua's democratic elections were a threat to our country. you an say b/c they were commies all you want but who is our biggest trading partner now? isn't it...communist china? don't we import far more than we export from them? we've got a pretty big trade deficit w/ those commies. so, again, to avoid saying we didn't take accountability for bombing and mining hte harbors of Nicaragua you say they were a threat to us b/c they elected a marxist in a democratic election. i don't see how that justifies killing so many. just like i don't see how supposedly thinking it was an F-14 justifies killing those hundres of ppl in the iranian flight. stop digging yourself into a hole
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way