Oprah Makes A Sterotypical Racist Comment!

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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    onelongsong wrote:
    my black neighbour told me this joke.

    a white dude; a frenchman; and a black man were drinking in a bar. the bartender asked what they did to drive their wives crazy after sex. the white man said he tickled her hairs and she giggled uncontrolably. the frenchman said he drank champagne from her belly and it drove her wild. the black man said i wipes my dick in the drapes; it drives her f'n nuts.

    why can he tell that joke in public with acceptance yet i can't?


    when did that joke get race. I heard that about 6 years ago and they were just three dudes. weird.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RainDog wrote:
    Please. When people say things like "well, black people can say stuff to each other that we can't. It's not fair." it doen't take a linguistic genius to figure out what "stuff" they're talking about.


    You sir, are no genius.

    You try to extract hidden agendas where there are none. In fact this whole thread and discussion has absolutely nothing to do with that word and the alleged desire to be able to use it. Conversely, you continue to ignore the real subject matter and try to spin and convince other's that your spin job is the correct one.

    That is your interpretation and you stand alone in it.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    mammasan wrote:
    This whole Imus affair and it's aftermath makes me what to move to a deserted island to get away from all the stupidity infecting the human race.

    It's called liberalism. I know how you feel. ;)
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Then why wasn't the other guy who called them "hos" also taken to task? Imus didn't even start the use of that word, it was some other guy. Imus was the one that made it racial by referring to the nappy hair. "Hos" isn't a racial slur. What, you can't have a white ho?
    I believe they're called whos.

    Anyway, so you're saying that what Imus said was racial? It's context. Let's take the following words, in context.

    "Dude, you are such a butt head."
    "Man, that guy was a total fucker."
    "Have you been to the new Hustler store? They've got all kinds of perverted shit."

    Now, take those words, apply them in a different context, and call somebody a Butt Fucking Pervert. Wouldn't that come across as at least mildly homophobic? But why? After all, many women have anal sex, and they can certainly be "perverted." Could the difference be the person that said it, and the tone?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    It's called liberalism. I know how you feel. ;)

    In the context of this debate, define the liberalism that you are talking about.
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    I believe they're called whos.

    Anyway, so you're saying that what Imus said was racial? It's context. Let's take the following words, in context.

    "Dude, you are such a butt head."
    "Man, that guy was a total fucker."
    "Have you been to the new Hustler store? They've got all kinds of perverted shit."

    Now, take those words, apply them in a different context, and call somebody a Butt Fucking Pervert. Wouldn't that come across as at least mildly homophobic? But why? After all, many women have anal sex, and they can certainly be "perverted." Could the difference be the person that said it, and the tone?

    I am still not entirely sure what we are debating here ... The topic is the double standard in racial remarks. I've never tried to argue that what Imus said wasn't racial. What Oprah said was racial too.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    NMyTree wrote:
    You sir, are no genius.

    You try to extract hidden agendas where there are none. In fact this whole thread and discussion has absolutely nothing to do with that word and the alleged desire to be able to use it. Conversely, you continue to ignore the real subject matter and try to spin and convince other's that your spin job is the correct one.

    That is your interpretation and you stand alone in it.
    I'm drawing from experience here. More often than not, when someone is pissed off that they "can't" use words that blacks "can," it's not because of some altuistic belief in free speech and open dialog.

    But you can think of me what you will. I won't attempt to have you fired for it.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I am still not entirely sure what we are debating here ... The topic is the double standard in racial remarks. I've never tried to argue that what Imus said wasn't racial. What Oprah said was racial too.
    I guess I'm not really debating. What Oprah said was racial, sure. But is it anywhere near what Imus said? No, not really.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    I guess I'm not really debating. What Oprah said was racial, sure. But is it anywhere near what Imus said? No, not really.

    Both remarks were presumably meant to be harmless jokes. One was more crass than the other, granted, but these two poor attempts at humour should be treated the same way, unless you are starting from the premise that racial remarks about black people are a priori worse than other types of racial remarks, which is not a premise I accept. My honest view is that both remarks should have been disregarded as what they were: Dumb jokes. But that's not the way it works, because of this culture of victimhood that people like Al Sharpton promote.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Both remarks were presumably meant to be harmless jokes. One was more crass than the other, granted, but these two poor attempts at humour should be treated the same way, unless you are starting from the premise that racial remarks about black people are a priori worse than other types of racial remarks, which is not a premise I accept. My honest view is that both remarks should have been disregarded as what they were: Dumb jokes. But that's not the way it works, because of this culture of victimhood that people like Al Sharpton promote.
    See, I don't see it that way. I believe there's such a thing as going "too far." What Oprah said was that white people don't have rhythm. What Imus said is that black women pass their asses around the street for money.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    See, I don't see it that way. I believe there's such a thing as going "too far." What Oprah said was that white people don't have rhythm. What Imus said is that black women pass their asses around the street for money.

    First off, he didn't actually say that. He was actually referring to a specific group of alledged ass passers. Sure, let's infer that he really, deep-down meant all black women. You still haven't convinced me that there isn't a double standard here. You, for one, wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone made equally mean comments about white people.
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm drawing from experience here.

    You may want to try getting some new crayons, the one's you're using are not drawing very well, at all.

    RainDog wrote:
    More often than not, when someone is pissed off that they "can't" use words that blacks "can," it's not because of some altuistic belief in free speech and open dialog.

    I believe you've completely misinterpreted even your own spin-job of this subject matter. I don't believe at all that any white guy/gal really gives a damn about using that word (with the real die-hard, ignorant white racists as the exception).

    What happens is, when so many black people publically, repeatidly make statements to the effect that white people are forbidden from using that word; human nature tells you that a certain percentage of the population is going to take notice and issue a hearty " fuck you, n***** ", just in the spirit of defiance.

    It's human nature. It's human behavior.

    So don't pretend that there are a ton of white people who are itching to use the word. Because there is not. Personally, I believe a good portion of white people just want to move on from all this racial crap and make a better future for themselves, their family and thier community.

    This constant taking us back to the days of Slavery and so forth; is preventing progress, equality and harmony. Obviously, these black people are doing more damage to themselves and society as a whole, by continuing this charade. And ulitmately, they will only succeed in bring racial relations back to the past and bringing it full circle, again.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    reborncareerist wrote:
    First off, he didn't actually say that. He was actually referring to a specific group of alledged ass passers. Sure, let's infer that he really, deep-down meant all black women. You still haven't convinced me that there isn't a double standard here. You, for one, wouldn't bat an eyelash if someone made equally mean comments about white people.
    So, let's say there is a double standard. Life's full of them, so we might as well get used to it. Did you think Marcellus's rape scene in Pulp Fiction was funny? Now how about if it happened to a female character? Yeah, not so much.

    But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    gue_barium wrote:
    In the context of this debate, define the liberalism that you are talking about.

    Political correctness run amok.

    You have a right to be offended, however, you don't have a right to not be offended.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    RainDog wrote:
    I'm drawing from experience here. More often than not, when someone is pissed off that they "can't" use words that blacks "can," it's not because of some altuistic belief in free speech and open dialog.

    But you can think of me what you will. I won't attempt to have you fired for it.

    i was sent to an office in a black area to work for a month. the word nigger was used in almost every sentence. after 2 weeks i started to pick it up along with other common phrases such as "flick that". not on purpose; but just by exposure. BUT; because we were government; i would have been strung up if i said it. so for a month i had to walk on eggs and watch every word i said.
    i feel it was wrong to be put in that enviornment and in a position where i could lose my job or even be prosecuted for using the common language of that enviornment which is common human behavior to pick up the venacular of the enviornment.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RainDog wrote:
    So, let's say there is a double standard. Life's full of them, so we might as well get used to it. Did you think Marcellus's rape scene in Pulp Fiction was funny? Now how about if it happened to a female character? Yeah, not so much.

    But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.

    So you're fine with inequality, I am not. Fundamental difference, I suppose. Nor am I fine with a whole group of people playing the victim role, although I am willing to concede that the continued existance of this victim role probably indicates that racism against blacks is indeed alive and well. What's ironic is that some black leaders are exaserbating the problem.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    NMyTree wrote:
    You may want to try getting some new crayons, the one's you're using are not drawing very well, at all.




    I believe you've completely misinterpreted even your own spin-job of this subject matter. I don't believe at all that any white guy/gal really gives a damn about using that word (with the real die-hard, ignorant white racists as the exception).

    What happens is, when so many black people publically, repeatidly make statements to the effect that white people are forbidden from using that word; human nature tells you that a certain percentage of the population is going to take notice and issue a hearty " fuck you, n***** ", just in the spirit of defiance.

    It's human nature. It's human behavior.

    So don't pretend that there are a ton of white people who are itching to use the word. Because there is not. Personally, I believe a good portion of white people just want to move on from all this racial crap and make a better future for themselves, their family and thier community.

    This constant taking us back to the days of Slavery and so forth; is preventing progress, equality and harmony. Obviously, these black people are doing more damage to themselves and society as a whole, by continuing this charade. And ulitmately, they will only succeed in bring racial relations back to the past and bringing it full circle, again.
    Yeah, it's all those black people's fault.

    Perhaps you grew up in some enlightened community where racism, and a desire to use racist words whenever possible, simply didn't exist, but I didn't. In fact, I almost got the shit kicked out of me for expressing offense when someone standing next to me (in an all white crowd) began on some racist tyrade (I'm sick of typing the word, so I'll assume you know what I mean). His reason for getting pissed off at me for calling him on it? "Hey, I work all day with black people, so I should be able to say whatever the hell I want." I shut him up when I asked "so why don't you say it around them, then?"

    My crayons are fine. Thanks for asking.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    69charger wrote:
    Political correctness run amok.

    You have a right to be offended, however, you don't have a right to not be offended.

    Wow.

    Let me ask this a different way: Do you suppose those executives at MSNBC and CBS had liberalism in mind?
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    RainDog wrote:
    But let's not forget that the only reason Imus called them nappy headed hoes is because they're predominately black. The team's college careers are evidence that they're not likely hoes at all; so it's pretty easy to infer that their "blackness" is the only reason Imus called them that, and equally easy to infer that he thinks of black women that way.

    Just about all of your "theories" and interpretations are gross over-simplifications. Simplifications in your interpretations, not in what is being said.

    What Imus said was toung-in-cheek sarcasm which actually is a bit more complicated than what you see.

    There's no doubt a large majority of people have completely missed the joke and simply never got it.

    Imus was completely aware that there are non-blacks on that women's basketball team.

    Hell, I'm not even a fan of Imus, nor would I ever defend the guy. But I certainly am aware of his material and his approach to his jokes, comments, parodies and satire. Which by the way is no different than that of many non-white entertainers.

    Was it a poor choice of words, yeah. But certainly nothing to get all worked up about.

    Truth is, Imus hasn't had this much exposure and publicity since he fell off the horse and required surgery. Thanks to the overly-sensitive, overly-PC goofballs and a plethora of hypocritcal black people who cherish stereotypical racial double-standards; they succeeded in giving him a level of exposure he'd never, ever see.
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    onelongsong wrote:
    i was sent to an office in a black area to work for a month. the word nigger was used in almost every sentence. after 2 weeks i started to pick it up along with other common phrases such as "flick that". not on purpose; but just by exposure. BUT; because we were government; i would have been strung up if i said it. so for a month i had to walk on eggs and watch every word i said.
    i feel it was wrong to be put in that enviornment and in a position where i could lose my job or even be prosecuted for using the common language of that enviornment which is common human behavior to pick up the venacular of the enviornment.

    Is that what the word "nigger" is? Common vernacular?! Do you (and others) seriously not see the difference between Blacks calling EACHOTHER this and Whites calling Blacks this? You really see absolutely no difference?! Unfreakingbelievable.
    i offer an analogy. If i'm in the grocery store and my children are being loud and obnoxious and i tell them to "shut up, and settle down", although it may be inappropriate for me to use such harsh language with my children, they are my children and thats one thing. If someone else tells MY children to "shut up" that person just may get a beatin'. Seen?
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."

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