R.I.P Saddam Hussein

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  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Just as an aside, no one I believe has been jailed for the genocoide in Cambodia which killed 2 million people. If America was really interested in justice one wonders why they never pursued Pol Pot and his conspirators or atleast assisted the UN?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    Just as an aside, no one I believe has been jailed for the genocoide in Cambodia which killed 2 million people. If America was really interested in justice one wonders why they never pursued Pol Pot and his conspirators or atleast assisted the UN?

    I believe no one has been jailed for the deaths of approx 2 million Iraqis as a result of the 10 years of U.S enforced sanctions there.
  • searchlightsoul
    searchlightsoul Posts: 583
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I believe no one has been jailed for the deaths of approx 2 million Iraqis as a result of the 10 years of U.S enforced sanctions there.

    I am not going to argue the priority of one over the other and I agree sanctions are a poor response. Funnily I don't remeber the export of oil from Iraq ever being blocked?

    I think the calousness of the Khmer regime to its own people though is on another level and was a direct consequence of the action of the government at the time.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Byrnzie wrote:
    True. The world has plenty of spineless poodles to thank for following on the Bush Administrations coat-tails.

    Ah, no I believe it's worse than "following". Johnny is like a totem. Has his head so far up George's arse or is it George with his dick up Johnny? I can never really decide!;) But it goes way, way beyond "following"
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    Just as an aside, no one I believe has been jailed for the genocoide in Cambodia which killed 2 million people. If America was really interested in justice one wonders why they never pursued Pol Pot and his conspirators or atleast assisted the UN?

    America has always had a bit of selective blindness when it comes to Cambodia and Vietnam. I think if they acknowledged one (genocide in Cambodia) then they'd have to acknowledge the other (F***ed up war in Vietnam). Way too much to get sued over.
    NOPE!!!

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    searchlightsoul wrote:
    I am not going to argue the priority of one over the other and I agree sanctions are a poor response. Funnily I don't remeber the export of oil from Iraq ever being blocked?

    I think the calousness of the Khmer regime to its own people though is on another level and was a direct consequence of the action of the government at the time.

    And at the same time that the Khmer Rouge were massacring intellectuals, and the middle classes in Cambodia, the U.S Government was supporting and funding Indonesia's invasion of East Timor in which a third of the population was wiped out.

    And the figure of 2 million deaths in Cambodia is debatable. It has been argued that the figure was exaggerated by the Western media in order to act as a cover for the crimes being sponsored by us taking place at the same time in East Timor.
  • A Surprise Left
    A Surprise Left Posts: 743
    Jeanie wrote:
    Ah, no I believe it's worse than "following". Johnny is like a totem. Has his head so far up George's arse or is it George with his dick up Johnny? I can never really decide!;) But it goes way, way beyond "following"


    There is plenty I don't like about "honest Johnny" although I reckon George is a far worse leader than Howard is. Besides imagine if Australia elected Mark Latham to be our Prime Minister! :eek: *shudders*
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Car bomb in southern Iraqi town

    A car bombing in a market in the southern Iraqi city of Kufa has killed at least 31 people. Another 45 people were injured.

    The attack came within hours of the hanging former leader Saddam Hussein.

    Reports say many of those caught up in the attack were women and children shopping in the fish market ahead of the Eid al-Adha holiday.

    Kufa, a centre of Shia Muslim pilgrimage, is a small town 170 kilometres (80 miles) south of Baghdad.

    Police say the bomb was planted in a minibus.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    A Surprise Left wrote:
    There is plenty I don't like about "honest Johnny" although I reckon George is a far worse leader than Howard is. Besides imagine if Australia elected Mark Latham to be our Prime Minister! :eek: *shudders*

    LOL!!!:D:D Yeah agree with you on all counts! You even made me shudder at the mention of Mark! :) We don't have anyone in the political arena in this country at the moment who could become our next prime minister. IMO. And the only thing that makes me really nervous is the nagging feeling that Labor will put Peter Garrett up. He has been getting a lot of support in fashionable circles.:(
    NOPE!!!

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  • parel jam
    parel jam Posts: 7,223
    I bet Donald couldn't sleep last night...

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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Bush must be gutted that they didn't string the fucker up, the day before his State of the Union address. It might have boosted his approval ratings by 0.00001%, for the occasion.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Car bomb in southern Iraqi town

    A car bombing in a market in the southern Iraqi city of Kufa has killed at least 31 people. Another 45 people were injured.

    The attack came within hours of the hanging former leader Saddam Hussein.

    Reports say many of those caught up in the attack were women and children shopping in the fish market ahead of the Eid al-Adha holiday.

    Kufa, a centre of Shia Muslim pilgrimage, is a small town 170 kilometres (80 miles) south of Baghdad.

    Police say the bomb was planted in a minibus.

    This is just sickening. It so overwhelms. :(
    NOPE!!!

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  • A Surprise Left
    A Surprise Left Posts: 743
    Jeanie wrote:
    LOL!!!:D:D Yeah agree with you on all counts! You even made me shudder at the mention of Mark! :) We don't have anyone in the political arena in this country at the moment who could become our next prime minister. IMO. And the only thing that makes me really nervous is the nagging feeling that Labor will put Peter Garrett up. He has been getting a lot of support in fashionable circles.:(

    Latham turned and attacked his own party! At least Howard is somewhat respectable, even if he looks stupid in those shirts he has to wear at those APEC meetings lol. Next election will be a battle of the nerds LOL...with Kevin Rudd set to lead Labor. Howard is a cunning old fox and he'll win again. The electorate simply don't care that he has lied multiple times ie: children overboard, AWB et al.
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?
  • A Surprise Left
    A Surprise Left Posts: 743
    I just can't fathom the sorts of numbers that are coming out of Iraq. 30 people get killed in a day and because of the carnage we hardly even notice.
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?
  • mike.legrand
    mike.legrand Posts: 58
    So, now that Saddam is dead:
    Is there peace all over irak?
    Flowers are blooming
    No more US soldiers wounded or dead, and they can go back home with smile
    Free oil for all of us!
    Now Irak is the garden of eden, a paradise on earth
    I'll get a 10c ticket for the next Bagdad gig!

    I didn't know that hanging a man (whatever he did) could solve problems
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    It appears as though the only arguement against those that are happy to see the man gone are just general anti death penalty arguements... which is simply a difference in viewpoints. I have no problem with capital punishment, some of you do. That doesnt make either one us sheep, or either side good or bad people. Just a differing viewpoint.

    All lives end. A terrible mans life ended a terrible way. Being okay with that does not make me a better, or worse, person than anyone else.

    Please Que_, explain to me how i am a sheep in this scenerio? I dont think there is any debate that a terrible man died yesterday. Id be just as happy if it was a massive heart attack, a car accident, or if he died in his sleep.

    And Byrnzie... If it was Bush or Rumsfeld, i honestly wouldnt care one way or the other. I have no feelings toward them either way. If it was proven that horrible crimes were commited by them, or at their explicit direction then Id be okay with that too.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    A Surprise Left wrote:
    Latham turned and attacked his own party! At least Howard is somewhat respectable, even if he looks stupid in those shirts he has to wear at those APEC meetings lol. Next election will be a battle of the nerds LOL...with Kevin Rudd set to lead Labor. Howard is a cunning old fox and he'll win again. The electorate simply don't care that he has lied multiple times ie: children overboard, AWB et al.


    RESPECTABLE!!!! :eek: Don't get me started on Johnny I can't even stand the man's eyebrows and I never make visual judgements about people usually!!!. Everything about him creeps me out! He's a liar and a cheat and we have suffered his bumblings long enough! And Kevin Rudd is no replacement. I would really like to see a Prime Minister and leader of the opposition in this country that could keep their religious views seperate from their political ones!! I have nothing about people having their own faith but "church and state" should remain seperate. For far too long we have been hijacked and it's just wrong. And I wouldn't be too sure about Johnny winning again. Kevin Rudd has been chosen by the Labor party because his lifestyle and ideals are very similar to Johhny's. And the people, are very angry over the IR laws. I think, much as I hate to say it, that Kevin will give Johnny a very good run for his money at the next election and unfortunately that gives me absolutely no more piece of mind than I have now. Anyway nuff of my rantings!! Think I need to go find a nice quite thread with happy thoughts on it so I can finish my beverage in peace and enjoy my Saturday night and not get so worked up when I drinking!!;)
    NOPE!!!

    *~You're IT Bert!~*

    Hold on to the thread
    The currents will shift
  • A Surprise Left
    A Surprise Left Posts: 743
    Jeanie wrote:
    RESPECTABLE!!!! :eek: Don't get me started on Johnny I can't even stand the man's eyebrows and I never make visual judgements about people usually!!!. Everything about him creeps me out! He's a liar and a cheat and we have suffered his bumblings long enough! And Kevin Rudd is no replacement. I would really like to see a Prime Minister and leader of the opposition in this country that could keep their religious views seperate from their political ones!! I have nothing about people having their own faith but "church and state" should remain seperate. For far too long we have been hijacked and it's just wrong. And I wouldn't be too sure about Johnny winning again. Kevin Rudd has been chosen by the Labor party because his lifestyle and ideals are very similar to Johhny's. And the people, are very angry over the IR laws. I think, much as I hate to say it, that Kevin will give Johnny a very good run for his money at the next election and unfortunately that gives me absolutely no more piece of mind than I have now. Anyway nuff of my rantings!! Think I need to go find a nice quite thread with happy thoughts on it so I can finish my beverage in peace and enjoy my Saturday night and not get so worked up when I drinking!!;)


    LOL fair call about the IR laws but I can't see people getting rid of a Prime Minister who has being in for so long (Aussies don't vote out governments just ask the silly Victorians who decided "do nothing" Steve Bracks would be a better leader than Ted Bailleu) that I can't see Johnny Lite (Rudd) beating him.
    The wind is blowing cold
    Have we lost our way tonight?
    Have we lost our hope to sorrow?

    Feels like were all alone
    Running further from what’s right
    And there are no more heroes to follow

    So what are we becoming?
    Where did we go wrong?
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I fail to see how America and Americans are any better or different from anyone else.

    They celebrated when the Towers were attacked, Americans celebrate the death of Saddam

    It seems this country has this phoney-baloney, pretentious, hollier-than-thou perspective.

    When America kills, it's all for a justified reasons. When others kill, it depends on Americas self-interest whether it's justified.

    I don't think Saddam was a good guy and it's not my intention defend him.

    But I see Saddam as one of many vicious, murderous....maybe even evil leaders and individuals across this planet. He really was not any different than several American leaders and government branches who have killed so many, for greed, self-interest and the advancement of their own agenda.

    Celebrate? Nah, I don't think there's anything to celebrate.

    Maybe one day we will have a Leader in this country and certain government branches who actually behave in a manner that truely is better and more rational than the latest favorite villian.

    Accountability, self-awareness and responsibility .......something not only Americans, but most leaders of most countries fail to uphold.
  • Skitch Patterson
    Skitch Patterson Posts: 642
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    There are people negatively affected by others all over the world, why the big fuss over this one in particular? Hmmmm.

    It's ok Skitch, they already have another evil Skeletor in Iran for you to hate.


    yes, but you quoted a post where i said i know people personally affected by saddam. My wifes friend who came to our wedding had her husband and father killed by saddams regime. She hated the man deeply. She cried with joy when his statue came down, and called my wife crying last night after he had been executed. The fact our friend is feeling relieved makes me happy.

    It has nothing to do with a "fuss-" I hardly see a couple posts on a message board as a "fuss." I Mentioned the Chicago White Sox in a thread once, so was i making a fuss about that? Nope. Just joining a conversation about it.

    The Iranians i know hate the culture, but have done very little complaining about the leader there, so i have no love or hate for the guy. Please show me an example of where i allow my views to be dictated by the media, cause that would be great. Im not Miller on here talking up pro-gun, pro-bush party line bullshit. Im not barroom hero talking up jesus and pro life.

    I make up my mind on each issue based on what i have seen, heard and experienced- not what any one idealogy, party, or polticial side says i should- so these implications that im a party line sheep are woefully inaccurate and frankly, a bit childish.

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