Eddie, VH1, and Conservatives

cincybearcat
cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.

Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.

He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.

So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.

I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir.

    What real change has it made up to the Storytellers airing, though? Has having different fans done anything major really?

    Maybe I'm being cynical, I don't know, I'm going through a bad breakup. :) But that was my first reaction to what you said.

    Maybe they gave up.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,648
    next time we will ask him to hold his hand on a bible while answering ?s or making statements .
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Be careful in estimating the honesty of an answer....
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    VictoryGin wrote:
    What real change has it made up to the Storytellers airing, though? Has having different fans done anything major really?

    Maybe I'm being cynical, I don't know, I'm going through a bad breakup. :) But that was my first reaction to what you said.

    Maybe they gave up.

    Ummm...they are only a band. They can really only effect so much. They've made me re-think many issues and change a few. Constantly learning more and changing.

    Like I said, if you only speak to the choir you are no better than Jerry Fallwell. You want to brainwash your flock.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    josevolution wrote:
    next time we will ask him to hold his hand on a bible while answering ?s or making statements .

    What do you mean?
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ummm...they are only a band. They can really only effect so much. They've made me re-think many issues and change a few. Constantly learning more and changing.

    Like I said, if you only speak to the choir you are no better than Jerry Fallwell. You want to brainwash your flock.


    To me it totally sounded like he was joking. But in response to the above--if 'they can really only affect so much', then why is this upsetting? They're not saying, "Cincybearcat, you must stop listening to us if you don't believe." I don't think they are trying to prohibit any conservatives from listening (wait, is that why they're not playing the south? ;)), so they're not just preaching to the choir. You can still listen, learn, and change. It really sounded like he was joking though.

    Yikes, and I would never compare Jerry Falwell with most people. That guy is a wackjob.
    if you wanna be a friend of mine
    cross the river to the eastside
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    I agree.. disapointing...

    I also was distrubed that he didn't make any mention of the possibility that the 5 band members may not all have the exact same beliefs.

    However, I think he strongly believes somthing is very wrong and understands a steady simple message is most effective in this world.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.

    Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.

    He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.

    So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.

    I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.

    I think his initial responce was probably him playing to the crowd, which is fine, but I believe he was being sincere when he stated that he respects people's different opinions.
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  • _Crazy_Mary_
    _Crazy_Mary_ Posts: 1,299
    I agree with VG, that Ed was joking. He said do your research, take your blinders off. I think that goes either way.
    I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    However, the lifting of the curse was a great moment in Pearl Jam history
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    Abuskedti wrote:
    However, the lifting of the curse was a great moment in Pearl Jam history

    Very true. Great moment.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    VictoryGin wrote:
    To me it totally sounded like he was joking. But in response to the above--if 'they can really only affect so much', then why is this upsetting? They're not saying, "Cincybearcat, you must stop listening to us if you don't believe." I don't think they are trying to prohibit any conservatives from listening (wait, is that why they're not playing the south? ;)), so they're not just preaching to the choir. You can still listen, learn, and change. It really sounded like he was joking though.

    Yikes, and I would never compare Jerry Falwell with most people. That guy is a wackjob.

    Not that upsetting, I just watched it for the first time and thought I'd ask what others got from it.

    Ok, maybe not fallwell, but I think you know what I am saying.
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    I got the impression that he does respect the views of others - so long as they respect his. Other than saying that he understands that the band has fans from different perspectives, I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do. I don't think, nor do I expect, him to stop being politically active or to stop speaking from the "pulpit." And I don't think Pearl Jam will be releasing any "conservative" rock songs anytime soon; nor do I think they will be donating any time or money to conservative causes.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.

    Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.

    He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.

    So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.

    I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.


    I agree with Ed

    "fuck em"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    RainDog wrote:
    I got the impression that he does respect the views of others - so long as they respect his. Other than saying that he understands that the band has fans from different perspectives, I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do. I don't think, nor do I expect, him to stop being politically active or to stop speaking from the "pulpit." And I don't think Pearl Jam will be releasing any "conservative" rock songs anytime soon; nor do I think they will be donating any time or money to conservative causes.

    First off, thanks for your opinion of the moment.

    Secondly, I don't think anyone is saying anything of the sort, regarding the rest of your post.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    just like Ed i do not care what you think, and i do not care what you think of me... he is not here to appease everyone or anyone for that matter... so get over it if your favorite entertainer does not agree with you and your politics

    again,

    "fuck em"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    my2hands wrote:
    just like Ed i do not care what you think, and i do not care what you think of me... he is not here to appease everyone or anyone for that matter... so get over it if your favorite entertainer does not agree with you and your politics

    again,

    "fuck em"


    I heard you the first time. Thanks.

    And don't care if they agree with me, but being a politically and socially aware bad, I always thought they were interested in the discussion.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i haven't seen the show me self ... but in a general conversation kinda way ... here is how i see it ...

    yes, he likes having people of different stripes discussing the topics and i do honestly feel that he respects others opinions ... however, sometimes you believe in something so much it is mind boggling that people don't see your side ... take climate change for instance - no disrespect but that issue is a given yet there are still peeps spewing out the same non-sensical stuff ... i'm sure it is the same way for him with regards to bush ... his presidency is a joke and you get to a point when discussion is useless if people continue to give him the benefit of the doubt and do not hold him accountable for his many transgressions ... obviously, i'm biased and i share similar beliefs to him and his band and those beliefs are what ultimately makes me a fan of them as opposed to someone who just likes their music ...
  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.

    Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.

    He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.

    So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.

    I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.


    Hey Cinci!!!

    I will just add a comment or two.

    I have been reading all the flack about ST on the Porch. Such as, "all Vedder says is fuck Bush". Well.......If Vedder gets up and says something like....I believe that the US government was behind 911.....What do you think the response will be from the label on down the line? Not too good I would say. Vedder may well bite his tongue or appease the masses at times but I would say that is a good thing, when your bread and butter is making records and touring.

    I would have to imagine that most people on this board respect other's opinions that don't gel with their own. It would be a pretty boring life hanging around with people who are just like ourselves. If we could find anyone like that.

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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    cincybearcat wrote:
    First off, thanks for your opinion of the moment.

    Secondly, I don't think anyone is saying anything of the sort, regarding the rest of your post.
    Did I say something offensive?

    As for the rest of my post, I'm honestly not sure what fans who disagree with Ed are expecting. A rant on "here's what sucks about liberals"? A speech about what he likes about Bush? He addressed the fact that many fans don't have the same politics as him, and that everyone should be open - now, how many other torch carrying celebrities would even get past "fuck 'em?"

    And I am being sincere. I don't know what else he "should" do.

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