Think about it people, don't you all see? We are playing right into Ed's hands, controversy sparks discussion, exactly what he wants. By saying fuck 'em, and who really believes he meant that come on, he was being a smart ass not serios, no different than if I call a friend a prick, he has us all buzzing about it. He has learned how to garner press/fan reaction quite well.
Point is if it takes him sparking a little controversy with his preaching/language than it will hopefully lead to the problem of what he was talking about, thus making his ploy successful.
Howver, I would have much preferred more stories on story tellers and less lecture. The token comments they threw in from the rest of the guys other than Matt were shallow, and not in their proper context. How About telling a story VH1, on all the songs they played! Seems like they were pushing their own media agenda through Ed's lips. They knew exactly where he comes from and were more than happy to put his views on tv.
One of my best friends in ultra conservative and very religious, I am liberal and do not believe in any religion. Generally, we have some great discussions with out judging each others choices. It can get a little sticky at certain times though. The months before and a few after the last election I found we had to distance ourselves from each other. The discussions got too tense.
"Really don't mind if you sit this one out.
My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think."
As for the rest of my post, I'm honestly not sure what fans who disagree with Ed are expecting. A rant on "here's what sucks about liberals"? A speech about what he likes about Bush? He addressed the fact that many fans don't have the same politics as him, and that everyone should be open - now, how many other torch carrying celebrities would even get past "fuck 'em?"
And I am being sincere. I don't know what else he "should" do.
Nope. I was just separating your first statement from the rest of what you said. Just saying thanks for sharing your opinion. Nothing else.
I don't think people want or expect any of that...maybe just that it be great for people that are always talking about having their free speech taken away actually start listen to more than 1 point of view. And I was just wondering what others tok from what he said and the way it was said.
That would be cool because then 90% of this board would agree just because Eddie Vedder said it.
Talk about sheep... :rolleyes:
do they sound like you when you defend the actions of the Bush administration, no matter how obviously dishonest and contrary to the very reason they were voted into office... and do so for just a few reasons - not the least of which is the fact that you believe people are opposed to Bush because Eddie told them to...
That would be cool because then 90% of this board would agree just because Eddie Vedder said it.
Talk about sheep... :rolleyes:
I tend to believe that 90% of those here don't need Eddie Vedder to tell them what to believe...what Ed is saying is simply what the majority here have already thought and do believe....the reason its such a rampant topic of support for Ed's VH1 comments is that finally we have a voice speaking our thoughts to the masses....you know I tend to love the fact that my favorite musician shares the same feelings I do and trust me it does not take Ed Vedder to make people realize this war is a sham or that those running your country are crooks and liars using smoke and mirrors...its our own minds and judgement that made us feel the same way Ed did....not Ed himself....
Ok, I used the search function trying a few things and I looked back 5 pages but I didn't see anything. I haven't been around much lately so forgive me if I missed it.
Anyhow, I love that someone asked a question of the band relating to fans that have different beliefs. And mostly I was disappointed in Eddie's answer. I think he mentioned an important point at the very end, however it seemed he was more interesting in pleasing the audience, which is what he gets paid to do so well in concerts.
He mentioned that he respects other people's opinions and that he hopes they create discussion, but I wonder ow honest that answer was. It appeared to me that he is more interested in 'preaching to the choir'. And in all honesty I htink that sucks. I think that attitude is the exact attitude he professes to hate so much. He professes to hate the controlled news which leads to the controlled thought and the controlled beliefs on the people...but it seems that perhaps he is for it, just not the current message. He is certainly a well-informed rockstar, and has deep opinions. I would think that he'd welcome with open arms fans that disagree with the band on any number of issues. That they'd welcome the discussions and debate that come along with that. That they'd actually prefer to have fans that represent a large cross-section of the world and political beliefs because that is the only way to make real change...not preaching to the choir. Without out it, Eddie is no more than Jerry Falwell.
So, what do you all think? Perhaps in that format it is too difficult to express all your thoughts, so little time. Perhaps I misevaluated the statement. But all in all, I was certainly disappoited.
I like the debate. I like talking about issues with people that feel passionately about their positions, despite being oposite on mine. Sure, we have some heated exchanges, but those are a necessary evil to get past.
I think he is open to discuss politics with others of differiing opinions. Take Johnny Ramone. The guy was a hard-core Republican. He was also Ed's best friend. I'm sure they had many a heated discussion yet saw past those differences. That's one of the great things about respecting your fellow man, no matter how off you think he is politically.
Make your life a mission - not an intermission. - Arnold Gasglow
That's right ... we were all members of the Young Republicans Club before we were brainwashed by Eddie Vedder :rolleyes:
Before pearl Jam came along I was a pro-life, pro-death penalty, gun toting member of the New Jersey Junior Republican's Club. I even had my tattoo of the Gipper removed from my arm after I started listening to Pearl Jam.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
As for the rest of my post, I'm honestly not sure what fans who disagree with Ed are expecting. A rant on "here's what sucks about liberals"? A speech about what he likes about Bush? He addressed the fact that many fans don't have the same politics as him, and that everyone should be open - now, how many other torch carrying celebrities would even get past "fuck 'em?"
And I am being sincere. I don't know what else he "should" do.
I personally was expecting more of the "curse has been lifted" type STORIES on STORYtellers, and less political ramblings. I didnt expect a "i hate this about libs ..." commentary, but twisting Betterman into a political allegory? Cmon. I really dont think any cons are surprised or shocked by Ed's rambling, just disappointed that there wasnt more fan-related STORIES. I just think this could have been one of the greatest shows ever, up there with Nirvana unplugged, etc, from our era. And it wasnt. It was more or less just like every other pearl jam show.
And I dont think the "f-em" was a joke, that was the knee jerk honest answer. Mikes body language spoke volumes to me as well. Eddie Opinionated? Sure. Open minded? Not that much.
I personally was expecting more of the "curse has been lifted" type STORIES on STORYtellers, and less political ramblings. I didnt expect a "i hate this about libs ..." commentary, but twisting Betterman into a political allegory? Cmon. I really dont think any cons are surprised or shocked by Ed's rambling, just disappointed that there wasnt more fan-related STORIES. I just think this could have been one of the greatest shows ever, up there with Nirvana unplugged, etc, from our era. And it wasnt. It was more or less just like every other pearl jam show.
And I dont think the "f-em" was a joke, that was the knee jerk honest answer. Mikes body language spoke volumes to me as well. Eddie Opinionated? Sure. Open minded? Not that much.
Sorry I get what you are saying but dont see many other cons saying the same thing...judging from posts on the porch it all has to do with the politics...although I do repsect what you are saying...in regards to the Story telling aspect..
Sorry I get what you are saying but dont see many other cons saying the same thing...judging from posts on the porch it all has to do with the politics...although I do repsect what you are saying...in regards to the Story telling aspect..
Well the fans who DO agree with ED get plenty of opportunities to hear him go on about his rhetoric. And so do the ones who disagree, as long as they love the music enough to still pay to see their shows. This was ONE show, of a VERY different nature, that had the POSSIBILITY of being sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more special than it was. They blew it as far as I'm concerned. And I'd bet 4 band members know that.
Well the fans who DO agree with ED get plenty of opportunities to hear him go on about his rhetoric. And so do the ones who disagree, as long as they love the music enough to still pay to see their shows. This was ONE show, of a VERY different nature, that had the POSSIBILITY of being sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more special than it was. They blew it as far as I'm concerned. And I'd bet 4 band members know that.
To be honest with you I personally THINK that Mike would be the only one disgruntled with the whole ordeal...from past articles with him you get the hint that he wants to be a "rockandroll" star and maybe let the politics slide (just an assumption though)...but for Matt/Stone/Jeff I really think they dont care...considering on the past tour Jeffs speaker had an American flag with the stars replaced by a skull shining away...In the end I think they were not that upset...considering the next night the played Bu$hleaguer in Denver....
Well the fans who DO agree with ED get plenty of opportunities to hear him go on about his rhetoric. And so do the ones who disagree, as long as they love the music enough to still pay to see their shows. This was ONE show, of a VERY different nature, that had the POSSIBILITY of being sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more special than it was. They blew it as far as I'm concerned. And I'd bet 4 band members know that.
What a bunch of whiners about this show--I'm talking about from all over this board.
I guess I'm just surprised some are so shocked over the ST performance. I remember Ed sitting in some stairwell for an interview in the early 90s talking about songs (specifically mentioning Jeremy) saying that they prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs. I'm not surprised they didn't go into the most personal detail about every song. Good lord.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
To be honest with you I personally THINK that Mike would be the only one disgruntled with the whole ordeal...from past articles with him you get the hint that he wants to be a "rockandroll" star and maybe let the politics slide (just an assumption though)...but for Matt/Stone/Jeff I really think they dont care...considering on the past tour Jeffs speaker had an American flag with the stars replaced by a skull shining away...In the end I think they were not that upset...considering the next night the played Bu$hleaguer in Denver....
Ed does the setlists no? I dont think that them playing b-leaguer the next night means shit. Sorry.
Im guessing Jeff could take it or leave it with the politics being as heavy as Ed likes to get, maybe leaning a bit towards leaving them. Tho they may or may not philosophically agree with him, Id guess that they'd rather just rock.
Ed does the setlists no? I dont think that them playing b-leaguer the next night means shit. Sorry.
Im guessing Jeff could take it or leave it with the politics being as heavy as Ed likes to get, maybe leaning a bit towards leaving them. Tho they may or may not philosophically agree with him, Id guess that they'd rather just rock.
Maybe...all and all we can eloborate on this all day and unless the band decides to join this pow-wow we will never know...
What a bunch of whiners about this show--I'm talking about from all over this board.
I guess I'm just surprised some are so shocked over the ST performance. I remember Ed sitting in some stairwell for an interview in the early 90s talking about songs (specifically mentioning Jeremy) saying that they prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs. I'm not surprised they didn't go into the most personal detail about every song. Good lord.
I wasnt whining. At least not intentionally. I tried to answer in a calm, rational, logical way to explain myself and my opinions (which Im free to express). My point is if they " prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs" then why the fuck would they do a show called STORYtellers thats entire premise is artists explaining the meanings/writings/muse of their SONGS and the STORIES behind them????!!!!!!
I could care less about ed's politics. He didnt 'change my mind', and I doubt he changed one mind. If anything, he hardened some hearts. Oh well. It coulda been in the top ten rock n roll tv appearances ever. Unfortunately, in five years it wont even be remembered.
Maybe...all and all we can eloborate on this all day and unless the band decides to join this pow-wow we will never know...
Indeed. Id have loved to be a fly on the wall after the guys in the band all each watched its first airing.
My favorite was the looks of all the dumb chicks up front hanging on Ed's every word while he was talking about Bush etc. Man they were funny. That glassy eyed look on their eyes, looking like they hadnt blinked in 2 hours, that was priceless.
Who cares what Ed's politics are and how much he discusses them. I personally don't give a rats ass. I listen to Pearl Jam because of the music not because Ed is this or Stone is that. When I go to a show I go to see a fucking kick ass band perform I could careless if Ed screams out FUCK BUSh inbetween every song as long as they put on a good show I will be happy.
As far as Storytellers goes it was a free show I got to see on TV so no complaints.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I wasnt whining. At least not intentionally. I tried to answer in a calm, rational, logical way to explain myself and my opinions (which Im free to express). My point is if they " prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs" then why the fuck would they do a show called STORYtellers thats entire premise is artists explaining the meanings/writings/muse of their SONGS and the STORIES behind them????!!!!!!
I could care less about ed's politics. He didnt 'change my mind', and I doubt he changed one mind. If anything, he hardened some hearts. Oh well. It coulda been in the top ten rock n roll tv appearances ever. Unfortunately, in five years it wont even be remembered.
I agree with you.... but for each hardened heart he gave another greater inspiration in their beliefs...goes both ways....the cons will say "stop it" the Libs will say "more of it"....its what he does....I just dont get why people get so mad at his comments who cares....but once again I see your point with the Storytellers though....
I wasnt whining. At least not intentionally. I tried to answer in a calm, rational, logical way to explain myself and my opinions (which Im free to express). My point is if they " prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs" then why the fuck would they do a show called STORYtellers thats entire premise is artists explaining the meanings/writings/muse of their SONGS and the STORIES behind them????!!!!!!
I could care less about ed's politics. He didnt 'change my mind', and I doubt he changed one mind. If anything, he hardened some hearts. Oh well. It coulda been in the top ten rock n roll tv appearances ever. Unfortunately, in five years it wont even be remembered.
Indeed. Id have loved to be a fly on the wall after the guys in the band all each watched its first airing.
My favorite was the looks of all the dumb chicks up front hanging on Ed's every word while he was talking about Bush etc. Man they were funny. That glassy eyed look on their eyes, looking like they hadnt blinked in 2 hours, that was priceless.
I would really love to hear the others views on the worlds...since we seem to hear Ed only...would be refreshing I think....see where they stand on things....
I agree with you.... but for each hardened heart he gave another greater inspiration in their beliefs...goes both ways....the cons will say "stop it" the Libs will say "more of it"....its what he does....I just dont get why people get so mad at his comments who cares....but once again I see your point with the Storytellers though....
Thank you for not just being like many here.
"hes a con, he's pissed about ed's right to preach, eds god, blah blah blah".
Thanks for taking time to actually see what Im trying to say.
This was kinda like going on A trivia show, and then not answering any of the questions. Its kinda the point of the show. Coulda been 16 songs with stories, feelings, etc. Instead it was one story, a couple songs, and ALOT of politics. Ed gets to spread his ideas almost nightly. The fans, both conservative and liberal, deserved more. Deserved more stories like the on about Alive.
My point is if they " prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs" then why the fuck would they do a show called STORYtellers thats entire premise is artists explaining the meanings/writings/muse of their SONGS and the STORIES behind them????!!!!!!
Maybe they did the show to talk about politics and bring a view that they feel isn't shared as often. But you know what? I lost Ed's number so I can't ask. And I'll stop speculating, mostly because I don't give a shit, and this is all pretty funny to me.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
I would really love to hear the others views on the worlds...since we seem to hear Ed only...would be refreshing I think....see where they stand on things....
I think if they wholeheartedly agreed with ed, they'd be speaking out alot more, right next to him. They dont tho. For a guy who doesnt want to be the center of attention over his bandmates, Ed doesnt do alot to stop that from happening. Im sure its part of what jeff meant when he talked about how it took them a long time to get to a point where they can be honest and tell each other I love you and all that. You dont take long to open up and be honest and sharing with people you already agree with.
Maybe they did the show to talk about politics and bring a view that they feel isn't shared as often. But you know what? I lost Ed's number so I can't ask. And I'll stop speculating, mostly because I don't give a shit, and this is all pretty funny to me.
Theres alot of political shows out there, that im sure would LOVE to host eddie and the boys. Id give you ed's number, but I promised not to give it out to freaks like you.
Eds plan may have backfired. Id bet there are alot of people out there who are "fence sitters" on a lot of these issues. Cant listen to ed if you're so insulted by his approach. Apparently if sales are an indication, soon his message wont just fall on deaf ears, but empty seats.
Theres alot of political shows out there, that im sure would LOVE to host eddie and the boys. Id give you ed's number, but I promised not to give it out to freaks like you.
Dude, if you had Ed's number, why would you be wasting your time crying all over the board? In a phone call, you could actually settle the amazing mystery: WHO FROM THE BAND AGREES WITH ED?! And the even more earth-shattering, tear-inducing mystery: WHY DIDN'T THEY SHARE MORE FEELINGS ON VH?!
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
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Point is if it takes him sparking a little controversy with his preaching/language than it will hopefully lead to the problem of what he was talking about, thus making his ploy successful.
Howver, I would have much preferred more stories on story tellers and less lecture. The token comments they threw in from the rest of the guys other than Matt were shallow, and not in their proper context. How About telling a story VH1, on all the songs they played! Seems like they were pushing their own media agenda through Ed's lips. They knew exactly where he comes from and were more than happy to put his views on tv.
My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT.
I may make you feel but I can't make you think."
Nope. I was just separating your first statement from the rest of what you said. Just saying thanks for sharing your opinion. Nothing else.
I don't think people want or expect any of that...maybe just that it be great for people that are always talking about having their free speech taken away actually start listen to more than 1 point of view. And I was just wondering what others tok from what he said and the way it was said.
Jesus...yeah that is exactly what we are looking for...for fuck's sake.
And all the lord's sheep say "BAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!"
Yep, i'm aware of that. Kinda sounds like the answer to the accusation that someone is a racist..."Some of my best friends are black"
That would be cool because then 90% of this board would agree just because Eddie Vedder said it.
Talk about sheep... :rolleyes:
do they sound like you when you defend the actions of the Bush administration, no matter how obviously dishonest and contrary to the very reason they were voted into office... and do so for just a few reasons - not the least of which is the fact that you believe people are opposed to Bush because Eddie told them to...
I tend to believe that 90% of those here don't need Eddie Vedder to tell them what to believe...what Ed is saying is simply what the majority here have already thought and do believe....the reason its such a rampant topic of support for Ed's VH1 comments is that finally we have a voice speaking our thoughts to the masses....you know I tend to love the fact that my favorite musician shares the same feelings I do and trust me it does not take Ed Vedder to make people realize this war is a sham or that those running your country are crooks and liars using smoke and mirrors...its our own minds and judgement that made us feel the same way Ed did....not Ed himself....
Oh look at what I see in the lost and found . . . it's Cincy's sense of humor!
Let me know when you want to pick it up
cross the river to the eastside
Make your life a mission - not an intermission. - Arnold Gasglow
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Make your life a mission - not an intermission. - Arnold Gasglow
Before pearl Jam came along I was a pro-life, pro-death penalty, gun toting member of the New Jersey Junior Republican's Club. I even had my tattoo of the Gipper removed from my arm after I started listening to Pearl Jam.
I personally was expecting more of the "curse has been lifted" type STORIES on STORYtellers, and less political ramblings. I didnt expect a "i hate this about libs ..." commentary, but twisting Betterman into a political allegory? Cmon. I really dont think any cons are surprised or shocked by Ed's rambling, just disappointed that there wasnt more fan-related STORIES. I just think this could have been one of the greatest shows ever, up there with Nirvana unplugged, etc, from our era. And it wasnt. It was more or less just like every other pearl jam show.
And I dont think the "f-em" was a joke, that was the knee jerk honest answer. Mikes body language spoke volumes to me as well. Eddie Opinionated? Sure. Open minded? Not that much.
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Sorry I get what you are saying but dont see many other cons saying the same thing...judging from posts on the porch it all has to do with the politics...although I do repsect what you are saying...in regards to the Story telling aspect..
Well the fans who DO agree with ED get plenty of opportunities to hear him go on about his rhetoric. And so do the ones who disagree, as long as they love the music enough to still pay to see their shows. This was ONE show, of a VERY different nature, that had the POSSIBILITY of being sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more special than it was. They blew it as far as I'm concerned. And I'd bet 4 band members know that.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
To be honest with you I personally THINK that Mike would be the only one disgruntled with the whole ordeal...from past articles with him you get the hint that he wants to be a "rockandroll" star and maybe let the politics slide (just an assumption though)...but for Matt/Stone/Jeff I really think they dont care...considering on the past tour Jeffs speaker had an American flag with the stars replaced by a skull shining away...In the end I think they were not that upset...considering the next night the played Bu$hleaguer in Denver....
What a bunch of whiners about this show--I'm talking about from all over this board.
I guess I'm just surprised some are so shocked over the ST performance. I remember Ed sitting in some stairwell for an interview in the early 90s talking about songs (specifically mentioning Jeremy) saying that they prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs. I'm not surprised they didn't go into the most personal detail about every song. Good lord.
cross the river to the eastside
Ed does the setlists no? I dont think that them playing b-leaguer the next night means shit. Sorry.
Im guessing Jeff could take it or leave it with the politics being as heavy as Ed likes to get, maybe leaning a bit towards leaving them. Tho they may or may not philosophically agree with him, Id guess that they'd rather just rock.
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Maybe...all and all we can eloborate on this all day and unless the band decides to join this pow-wow we will never know...
I wasnt whining. At least not intentionally. I tried to answer in a calm, rational, logical way to explain myself and my opinions (which Im free to express). My point is if they " prefer to have fans take their own meanings from their songs" then why the fuck would they do a show called STORYtellers thats entire premise is artists explaining the meanings/writings/muse of their SONGS and the STORIES behind them????!!!!!!
I could care less about ed's politics. He didnt 'change my mind', and I doubt he changed one mind. If anything, he hardened some hearts. Oh well. It coulda been in the top ten rock n roll tv appearances ever. Unfortunately, in five years it wont even be remembered.
Indeed. Id have loved to be a fly on the wall after the guys in the band all each watched its first airing.
My favorite was the looks of all the dumb chicks up front hanging on Ed's every word while he was talking about Bush etc. Man they were funny. That glassy eyed look on their eyes, looking like they hadnt blinked in 2 hours, that was priceless.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
As far as Storytellers goes it was a free show I got to see on TV so no complaints.
I agree with you.... but for each hardened heart he gave another greater inspiration in their beliefs...goes both ways....the cons will say "stop it" the Libs will say "more of it"....its what he does....I just dont get why people get so mad at his comments who cares....but once again I see your point with the Storytellers though....
I would really love to hear the others views on the worlds...since we seem to hear Ed only...would be refreshing I think....see where they stand on things....
Thank you for not just being like many here.
"hes a con, he's pissed about ed's right to preach, eds god, blah blah blah".
Thanks for taking time to actually see what Im trying to say.
This was kinda like going on A trivia show, and then not answering any of the questions. Its kinda the point of the show. Coulda been 16 songs with stories, feelings, etc. Instead it was one story, a couple songs, and ALOT of politics. Ed gets to spread his ideas almost nightly. The fans, both conservative and liberal, deserved more. Deserved more stories like the on about Alive.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Maybe they did the show to talk about politics and bring a view that they feel isn't shared as often. But you know what? I lost Ed's number so I can't ask. And I'll stop speculating, mostly because I don't give a shit, and this is all pretty funny to me.
cross the river to the eastside
I think if they wholeheartedly agreed with ed, they'd be speaking out alot more, right next to him. They dont tho. For a guy who doesnt want to be the center of attention over his bandmates, Ed doesnt do alot to stop that from happening. Im sure its part of what jeff meant when he talked about how it took them a long time to get to a point where they can be honest and tell each other I love you and all that. You dont take long to open up and be honest and sharing with people you already agree with.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Theres alot of political shows out there, that im sure would LOVE to host eddie and the boys. Id give you ed's number, but I promised not to give it out to freaks like you.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=204199
Eds plan may have backfired. Id bet there are alot of people out there who are "fence sitters" on a lot of these issues. Cant listen to ed if you're so insulted by his approach. Apparently if sales are an indication, soon his message wont just fall on deaf ears, but empty seats.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Dude, if you had Ed's number, why would you be wasting your time crying all over the board? In a phone call, you could actually settle the amazing mystery: WHO FROM THE BAND AGREES WITH ED?! And the even more earth-shattering, tear-inducing mystery: WHY DIDN'T THEY SHARE MORE FEELINGS ON VH?!
cross the river to the eastside