"Above all Jews are the most racist people on the planet."

jsand wrote:

What are the highly racist policies?

Well, taking water from the arabs and selling it back to them for one. How about detaining thousands of arabs without trial? Do you do the same for israelis?

Ahnimus wrote:

Thanks for bringing this issue to the forefront.

If you visit http://www.adl.org and spend some time reading thier view, you can clearly see they are racist towards arabs. The whole organization, called "The Anti-defamation League" was created to "Protect Jews from Anti-Semitism" it claims to protect Homosexuals and Women aswell. However, what it really does is label people anti-semites, it labels people that are critical of judaism or Israel. Which isn't really racism, it's criticism. There is a big difference between holocaust revisionism and the nazis that pulled the switch on the gas chambers. One is a critic and the other is a racist.

So what has happened? The ADL and many Jews like Jsand, declare that any non-Jew that fails to support Judaism or is critical of Jews and Israel is an anti-semite. Thus further drawing the distinction between Jews (God's Chosen) and Goyyim (non-Jews/Beasts). It's perfectly acceptable to these people to criticise Islam and the Arabs.

This is what I think:

1. If the ADL takes a stand X, it doesn't mean every jew person will think the same about it. Generalization is a bad thing.

2. Anti-Semitism = Using Judaism/the state of Israel as a reason or an excuse for thinking or doing all kind of negative / stereotypic things to a Jewish person.

3. *Automatically* criticizing the state of Israel in a very demagogic and unbalanced way no matter what = Neo-Anti-Semitism.

4. Criticizing the state of Israel in a fair, deep and balanced way is more than wellcomed. Calling it Anti-Semitism is wrong, and only brings more hate and real Anti-Semitism.

5. Disliking Jewish customs / tradition is ok, as long as there are no Anti-Semitismtic reasons for thinking that way.

6. It is only natural for one to stay in his own "environment". That's why most black people would marry to each other, Christians with Christians and Jews with Jews. Yes, there is the fear of "becoming assimilated" with other religions, and after ww2 that fear became stronger cause we hardly survived. There are lots of non-religious families and religious ones who don't think marring a Christian is unacceptable, and there are others who think it is.

That's it for now :-)

By the way Shiraz, let me correct #2 for you, Anti-Semitism is racism towards semites, which are both Hebrew and Arabic speaking people, Jews and Arabs are both Semites.

Here is a good source for you Jsand. It's an Israeli article on how Israel descriminates against Arabs, very informative for anyone ignorant to Israel's crimes.

"The Arab population in Israel is engaged in an ongoing struggle for equality in all spheres of life. At the same time this population also has a major share in the struggle of all Israeli peace forces - Jewish and Arab - against the occupation and for a just peace, as well as in the struggles to defend democratic rights, workers' rights and economic welfare, and for full equality of all citizens in all fields.

The Arabs in Israel are Israeli citizens and part of the Arab Palestinian people. They constitute a national minority comprising some 900,000 citizens, about 18% of the total population. The great majority of them are hired workers who are employed outside their own communities. The number of those engaged in agriculture has shrunk steadily, due to repeated confiscations of land owned by the Arab population in Israel.

All governments of Israel have continued along the basic line of perpetuating the discrimination. Nevertheless, the many struggles conducted over the years did yield some significant achievements. Among them were prevention of some additional land confiscations, and suspension of the implementation of others; recognition of some Arab communities as cities, after years when - despite having inhabitants in the tens of thousands - they were officially designated "villages"; prevention in many cases of the demolition of "illegal" Arab houses; and the allocation of certain government budgets. But the policy of discrimination did not change in its fundaments, and in some spheres the situation actually worsened. "

http://www.icf.org.il/arabs.htm

Actually this may be written by an Arab Israelite, because of the excessive use of the word "struggle" which is the exact translation of Jihad. Maybe not, but that's just an observation.

Ahnimus wrote:

Good analysis, so why do groups like the ADL and people like Jsand quickly call everyone that confronts them Anti-Semites? and why don't they just use the term Racist?

Jsand? ask him or give me an example and then ask what I think about it.

Anyway, maybe because there are too many cases as described at paragraphs 2 & 3, you become too defensive about everything.

IndianSummer wrote:

yes, not just in canada, but in all new world countries. the way the new world was formed, by guns and germs and steel, is to my mind the most raci-cistic event in all human history. no wonder there are so few natives left.

I don't excuse the way in which North America was conquered, it parallels the Israel-Palestine conflict, however, in our modern day, we should have evolved enough as co-dependants to abolish reperations and any racist sentiment felt among the Natives. But people cling to it as if it's the epicenter of Canadian culture.

shiraz wrote:

Jsand? ask him or give me an example and then ask what I think about it.

Anyway, maybe because there are too many cases as described at paragraphs 2 & 3, you become too defensive about everything.

"defensive"?

Ok, when I criticise Judaism or Israel and I am called a racist, that is defensive, then I defend myself against claims that I am racist. Look, I know Jews are really smart, so stop trying to confuse me!

IndianSummer wrote:

well at least the israelis allow the arabs to live inside israel, even tho they may not enjoy full citizen's rights and stuff.

the arabs on the contrary would gladly butcher any jew who went to live anywhere in the arab world. if they could help it, they would anhilate the state of israel too.

so you see israel gives a lot less (of stick) than it gets.

No that's bullshit. Jewish settlers on palestinian land carry M16's around and shoot anyone that comes near them.

Ahnimus wrote:

Here is a good source for you Jsand. It's an Israeli article on how Israel descriminates against Arabs, very informative for anyone ignorant to Israel's crimes.

"The Arab population in Israel is engaged in an ongoing struggle for equality in all spheres of life. At the same time this population also has a major share in the struggle of all Israeli peace forces - Jewish and Arab - against the occupation and for a just peace, as well as in the struggles to defend democratic rights, workers' rights and economic welfare, and for full equality of all citizens in all fields.

The Arabs in Israel are Israeli citizens and part of the Arab Palestinian people. They constitute a national minority comprising some 900,000 citizens, about 18% of the total population. The great majority of them are hired workers who are employed outside their own communities. The number of those engaged in agriculture has shrunk steadily, due to repeated confiscations of land owned by the Arab population in Israel.

All governments of Israel have continued along the basic line of perpetuating the discrimination. Nevertheless, the many struggles conducted over the years did yield some significant achievements. Among them were prevention of some additional land confiscations, and suspension of the implementation of others; recognition of some Arab communities as cities, after years when - despite having inhabitants in the tens of thousands - they were officially designated "villages"; prevention in many cases of the demolition of "illegal" Arab houses; and the allocation of certain government budgets. But the policy of discrimination did not change in its fundaments, and in some spheres the situation actually worsened. "

http://www.icf.org.il/arabs.htm

Actually this may be written by an Arab Israelite, because of the excessive use of the word "struggle" which is the exact translation of Jihad. Maybe not, but that's just an observation.

It's a well knowen thing, btw. But the reason for this is more "minority-majority" stuff than just descriminating arabs. Its like the US is actually descriminating black or immigrants people. Sad, but the truth is part of this process is actually natural.

and I'm quite sure that today's use for the word Jihad means 'a powerful religious (muslim) struggle'.

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't excuse the way in which North America was conquered, it parallels the Israel-Palestine conflict, however, in our modern day, we should have evolved enough as co-dependants to abolish reperations and any racist sentiment felt among the Natives. But people cling to it as if it's the epicenter of Canadian culture.

the difference here is that the new world never ever belonged to the europeans, while israelis/jews/hebrews ALWAYS lived in the land of cannan (israel and judea) till they were thrown out by nebuchadnezzar the babylonian (only to be allowed to return to jerusalem by the persian king, cyrus the great after cyrus beat the babylonians) and then again thrown out by the romans - which formed the diaspora as we know it today.

the formation of israel atones for a crime (the crime of the romans of throwing the jews out of their own land and the crime of 1000s of pogroms and finally the holocaust) - where as the formation of the new world on the back of genocides and small pox infected blankets is ITSELF the crime.