thats very ironic. i guess these jews came to argentina to flee the holocaust. and then later when the germans were beaten, most of the members of waffen SS and other nazi war criminals fled from the allies by moving to the same argentina.
PS: i saw "imagining argntina" and read "odessa file". also know about the giribaldi street incident.
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yes, not just in canada, but in all new world countries. the way the new world was formed, by guns and germs and steel, is to my mind the most raci-cistic event in all human history. no wonder there are so few natives left.
I don't excuse the way in which North America was conquered, it parallels the Israel-Palestine conflict, however, in our modern day, we should have evolved enough as co-dependants to abolish reperations and any racist sentiment felt among the Natives. But people cling to it as if it's the epicenter of Canadian culture.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
yes, not just in canada, but in all new world countries. the way the new world was formed, by guns and germs and steel, is to my mind the most raci-cistic event in all human history. no wonder there are so few natives left.
Calling it racist is revisionist history. You can't rightly apply today's standards to yesterday's events. It was not racist for the time. Looking back we can acknowledge that it was awful behaviour and vow to do better in the future. I don't think it's a proud chapter in any country's history. It's pretty tough to blame the immigrants for the germs though. I really don't think that was intentional or even a known possibility until after the fact. The germs would have happened under the most peaceful of history's.
Now in Canada the Natives have some very preferential laws that actually work against their full integration into Canadian society.
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So brutalize me with music.”
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Jsand? ask him or give me an example and then ask what I think about it.
Anyway, maybe because there are too many cases as described at paragraphs 2 & 3, you become too defensive about everything.
"defensive"?
Ok, when I criticise Judaism or Israel and I am called a racist, that is defensive, then I defend myself against claims that I am racist. Look, I know Jews are really smart, so stop trying to confuse me!
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Here is a good source for you Jsand. It's an Israeli article on how Israel descriminates against Arabs, very informative for anyone ignorant to Israel's crimes.
"The Arab population in Israel is engaged in an ongoing struggle for equality in all spheres of life. At the same time this population also has a major share in the struggle of all Israeli peace forces - Jewish and Arab - against the occupation and for a just peace, as well as in the struggles to defend democratic rights, workers' rights and economic welfare, and for full equality of all citizens in all fields.
The Arabs in Israel are Israeli citizens and part of the Arab Palestinian people. They constitute a national minority comprising some 900,000 citizens, about 18% of the total population. The great majority of them are hired workers who are employed outside their own communities. The number of those engaged in agriculture has shrunk steadily, due to repeated confiscations of land owned by the Arab population in Israel.
All governments of Israel have continued along the basic line of perpetuating the discrimination. Nevertheless, the many struggles conducted over the years did yield some significant achievements. Among them were prevention of some additional land confiscations, and suspension of the implementation of others; recognition of some Arab communities as cities, after years when - despite having inhabitants in the tens of thousands - they were officially designated "villages"; prevention in many cases of the demolition of "illegal" Arab houses; and the allocation of certain government budgets. But the policy of discrimination did not change in its fundaments, and in some spheres the situation actually worsened. "
Actually this may be written by an Arab Israelite, because of the excessive use of the word "struggle" which is the exact translation of Jihad. Maybe not, but that's just an observation.
well at least the israelis allow the arabs to live inside israel, even tho they may not enjoy full citizen's rights and stuff.
the arabs on the contrary would gladly butcher any jew who went to live anywhere in the arab world. if they could help it, they would anhilate the state of israel too.
so you see israel gives a lot less (of stick) than it gets.
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well at least the israelis allow the arabs to live inside israel, even tho they may not enjoy full citizen's rights and stuff.
the arabs on the contrary would gladly butcher any jew who went to live anywhere in the arab world. if they could help it, they would anhilate the state of israel too.
so you see israel gives a lot less (of stick) than it gets.
No that's bullshit. Jewish settlers on palestinian land carry M16's around and shoot anyone that comes near them.
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well at least the israelis allow the arabs to live inside israel, even tho they may not enjoy full citizen's rights and stuff.
Can anyone please explain to the how a non-Jewish person is treated by Isreal. Do they have full voting rights? Do they have full citizenship rights? How about land ownership? Can they work within the government? Can they run for election?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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Here is a good source for you Jsand. It's an Israeli article on how Israel descriminates against Arabs, very informative for anyone ignorant to Israel's crimes.
"The Arab population in Israel is engaged in an ongoing struggle for equality in all spheres of life. At the same time this population also has a major share in the struggle of all Israeli peace forces - Jewish and Arab - against the occupation and for a just peace, as well as in the struggles to defend democratic rights, workers' rights and economic welfare, and for full equality of all citizens in all fields.
The Arabs in Israel are Israeli citizens and part of the Arab Palestinian people. They constitute a national minority comprising some 900,000 citizens, about 18% of the total population. The great majority of them are hired workers who are employed outside their own communities. The number of those engaged in agriculture has shrunk steadily, due to repeated confiscations of land owned by the Arab population in Israel.
All governments of Israel have continued along the basic line of perpetuating the discrimination. Nevertheless, the many struggles conducted over the years did yield some significant achievements. Among them were prevention of some additional land confiscations, and suspension of the implementation of others; recognition of some Arab communities as cities, after years when - despite having inhabitants in the tens of thousands - they were officially designated "villages"; prevention in many cases of the demolition of "illegal" Arab houses; and the allocation of certain government budgets. But the policy of discrimination did not change in its fundaments, and in some spheres the situation actually worsened. "
Actually this may be written by an Arab Israelite, because of the excessive use of the word "struggle" which is the exact translation of Jihad. Maybe not, but that's just an observation.
It's a well knowen thing, btw. But the reason for this is more "minority-majority" stuff than just descriminating arabs. Its like the US is actually descriminating black or immigrants people. Sad, but the truth is part of this process is actually natural.
and I'm quite sure that today's use for the word Jihad means 'a powerful religious (muslim) struggle'.
I don't excuse the way in which North America was conquered, it parallels the Israel-Palestine conflict, however, in our modern day, we should have evolved enough as co-dependants to abolish reperations and any racist sentiment felt among the Natives. But people cling to it as if it's the epicenter of Canadian culture.
the difference here is that the new world never ever belonged to the europeans, while israelis/jews/hebrews ALWAYS lived in the land of cannan (israel and judea) till they were thrown out by nebuchadnezzar the babylonian (only to be allowed to return to jerusalem by the persian king, cyrus the great after cyrus beat the babylonians) and then again thrown out by the romans - which formed the diaspora as we know it today.
the formation of israel atones for a crime (the crime of the romans of throwing the jews out of their own land and the crime of 1000s of pogroms and finally the holocaust) - where as the formation of the new world on the back of genocides and small pox infected blankets is ITSELF the crime.
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the difference here is that the new world never ever belonged to the europeans, while israelis/jews/hebrews ALWAYS lived in the land of cannan (israel and judea) till they were thrown out by nebuchadnezzar the babylonian (only to be allowed to return to jerusalem by the persian king, cyrus the great after cyrus beat the babylonians) and then again thrown out by the romans - which formed the diaspora as we know it today.
the formation of israel atones for a crime (the crime of the romans of throwing the jews out of their own land and the crime of 1000s of pogroms and finally the holocaust) - where as the formation of the new world on the back of genocides and small pox infected blankets is ITSELF the crime.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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so do many palestinians...don't be a demagogue, ok?
Difference being it's their land.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, when I criticise Judaism or Israel and I am called a racist, that is defensive, then I defend myself against claims that I am racist. Look, I know Jews are really smart, so stop trying to confuse me!
Look, my english is not that good so I may not be clear enough. I meant that too many real cases of Anti-Semitism & Neo-Anti-Semitism can stress the organization till the point they'll start thinking almost every criticism against jews / Israel is wrong.
I think this kind of thinking only brings more damage and even creates more real Anti-Semitism.
What's with all the complaining now? Jeez... you know, your brother is a doctor.. What, you spend all of your time on this damn internet? When are you going to get married eh?
Hey Ahnimus, you sound like a real racist, anti-semetic asshole.
There is a huge difference between the adl who uses their freedom of speech to stand up for the rights and beliefs of a people who have be intolerated, abused, and enslaved for thousands of years. They are not a terrorist organization and they, like all jews, do not practice racism against arabs. They fight against terrorists and anti-semites.
The facts are that 6 million jews died in the holocaust and jews are encouraged to marry other jews as part of a moral responsibility to replenish some of that staggering loss. Not in any way because jews are racist.
You are throwing around untrue acusations and you should be embarrassed for yourself.
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Whereas the statement that inspired this thread is indeed insanely ridiculous and foolish, I must also, once again, frown on calling out another poster in an effort to attack them. I just think it is wrong. Again, i'm not defending the statement. Its hideous. But using a statement from one thread, calling the poster out by name, and attempting to make them an object of ridicule, is, well, not so pretty either IMO.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
doesn't matter, armed civilians is wrong and illegal - there's no such thing as a M16 license, this is not the US :-) (-:
Difference being that before 1947 there was no such thing as a Palestinian
After the Egyptian period, the area split into two parts, the southern part became the Kingdom of Judah and the northern part the Kingdom of Israel.
The term "Palestine" comes from the word Philistine, the name of an ethnic group which lived in the southern coast of the region. The Philistines disappeared as a distinct group by the Assyrian period.
The area was historically inhabited and ruled by Jews, Greeks, Romans, Persians, never Philistinians / Palestinians...
Things change. They wont change unless you make them. The best way to change something you don't like, is to change yourself. So if you feel like you have a piece of duct tape on your mouth and you can't escape, take it off, speak up, speak your mind, shout it out, let 'em hear ya! -EV
Difference being that before 1947 there was no such thing as a Palestinian
After the Egyptian period, the area split into two parts, the southern part became the Kingdom of Judah and the northern part the Kingdom of Israel.
The term "Palestine" comes from the word Philistine, the name of an ethnic group which lived in the southern coast of the region. The Philistines disappeared as a distinct group by the Assyrian period.
The area was historically inhabited and ruled by Jews, Greeks, Romans, Persians, never Philistinians / Palestinians...
Whereas the statement that inspired this thread is indeed insanely ridiculous and foolish, I must also, once again, frown on calling out another poster in an effort to attack them. I just think it is wrong. Again, i'm not defending the statement. Its hideous. But using a statement from one thread, calling the poster out by name, and attempting to make them an object of ridicule, is, well, not so pretty either IMO.
He risked becoming an object of ridicule the second he clicked "submit" on the above mentioned " ridiculous and foolish" ( you say foolish, we say racist) statement.
He risked becoming an object of ridicule the second he clicked "submit" on the above mentioned " ridiculous and foolish" ( you say foolish, we say racist) statement.
I agree. I'm not defending the statement. I've had run ins with this particular poster myself. Deal with the statement within the boundaries of the thread it was made in. Tear him apart. I don't care. But starting a new thread and calling another poster out by name is weak.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Who knew that so many of you were so judgmental and ignorant. Hey, I'm not trying to make enemies here, but clearly criticism of Judaism and Israel is wrong, not!
Don't fear the ADL, they can only have me sentenced for 2 years in jail.
The ADL is not what you think it is, and if you do some research into it and spend some time on their site, you will see their true colours. The same applies to Israel.
Personally I don't care where the term Palestine came from, it's rather irrelevant to the fact that Arabs calling themselves Palestinians occupied the land of Palestine and was promised it by the Brittish empire long before it was given to the Zionists. You know, goths were originally a western germanic group that killed christians, not the black wearing youth of modern day.
Nothing I've said is any more racist than what Jsand or Shiraz has said about non-Jews being racist. That's a pretty broad generalization if someone is just being critical of Judaism and Israel. I hope someday you people can understand this, it's the ultimate hipocracy. The epitome of racism is a negative generalization of a race or nationality.
An example of a racist statement "All Jews are money loving theives"
An example of a critical statement "In judaism it is only ok to commit usury if the victim is not a Jew, this I think is wrong."
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The marriage issue is a part of Judaism, I don't think it's necissarily law, but widely practiced. It's also written in the Talmud that if a Goy has any part in the wine making process that the wine is tainted and should not be consumed by a Jew.
It is practiced about as widely by hardliners of any religion.
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Well, considering they aren't allowed to marry outside their own group because it will contaminate the bloodline.....sounds pretty racist to me.
We are "allowed" to marry whomever we want..........those who prefer marrying in the religion are far from racist.......get the facts straight before you make sweeping generalizations.
making ignorant sweeping statements about a religion makes you a racist.
If you visit http://www.adl.org and spend some time reading thier view, you can clearly see they are racist towards arabs. The whole organization, called "The Anti-defamation League" was created to "Protect Jews from Anti-Semitism" it claims to protect Homosexuals and Women aswell. However, what it really does is label people anti-semites, it labels people that are critical of judaism or Israel. Which isn't really racism, it's criticism. There is a big difference between holocaust revisionism and the nazis that pulled the switch on the gas chambers. One is a critic and the other is a racist.
So what has happened? The ADL and many Jews like Jsand, declare that any non-Jew that fails to support Judaism or is critical of Jews and Israel is an anti-semite. Thus further drawing the distinction between Jews (God's Chosen) and Goyyim (non-Jews/Beasts). It's perfectly acceptable to these people to criticise Islam and the Arabs.
You are so ignorant....you are citing a radical group's beliefs
I am sure you can find a radical group in every religion or race.
How can anyone take you seriously if all you do is cite extreme sources.
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thats very ironic. i guess these jews came to argentina to flee the holocaust. and then later when the germans were beaten, most of the members of waffen SS and other nazi war criminals fled from the allies by moving to the same argentina.
PS: i saw "imagining argntina" and read "odessa file". also know about the giribaldi street incident.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
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I don't excuse the way in which North America was conquered, it parallels the Israel-Palestine conflict, however, in our modern day, we should have evolved enough as co-dependants to abolish reperations and any racist sentiment felt among the Natives. But people cling to it as if it's the epicenter of Canadian culture.
Now in Canada the Natives have some very preferential laws that actually work against their full integration into Canadian society.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
"defensive"?
Ok, when I criticise Judaism or Israel and I am called a racist, that is defensive, then I defend myself against claims that I am racist. Look, I know Jews are really smart, so stop trying to confuse me!
the arabs on the contrary would gladly butcher any jew who went to live anywhere in the arab world. if they could help it, they would anhilate the state of israel too.
so you see israel gives a lot less (of stick) than it gets.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
No that's bullshit. Jewish settlers on palestinian land carry M16's around and shoot anyone that comes near them.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
It's a well knowen thing, btw. But the reason for this is more "minority-majority" stuff than just descriminating arabs. Its like the US is actually descriminating black or immigrants people. Sad, but the truth is part of this process is actually natural.
and I'm quite sure that today's use for the word Jihad means 'a powerful religious (muslim) struggle'.
so do many palestinians...don't be a demagogue, ok?
the formation of israel atones for a crime (the crime of the romans of throwing the jews out of their own land and the crime of 1000s of pogroms and finally the holocaust) - where as the formation of the new world on the back of genocides and small pox infected blankets is ITSELF the crime.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Difference being it's their land.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Look, my english is not that good so I may not be clear enough. I meant that too many real cases of Anti-Semitism & Neo-Anti-Semitism can stress the organization till the point they'll start thinking almost every criticism against jews / Israel is wrong.
I think this kind of thinking only brings more damage and even creates more real Anti-Semitism.
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There is a huge difference between the adl who uses their freedom of speech to stand up for the rights and beliefs of a people who have be intolerated, abused, and enslaved for thousands of years. They are not a terrorist organization and they, like all jews, do not practice racism against arabs. They fight against terrorists and anti-semites.
The facts are that 6 million jews died in the holocaust and jews are encouraged to marry other jews as part of a moral responsibility to replenish some of that staggering loss. Not in any way because jews are racist.
You are throwing around untrue acusations and you should be embarrassed for yourself.
Whereas the statement that inspired this thread is indeed insanely ridiculous and foolish, I must also, once again, frown on calling out another poster in an effort to attack them. I just think it is wrong. Again, i'm not defending the statement. Its hideous. But using a statement from one thread, calling the poster out by name, and attempting to make them an object of ridicule, is, well, not so pretty either IMO.
doesn't matter, armed civilians is wrong and illegal - there's no such thing as a M16 license, this is not the US :-) (-:
Would you do the same with the NAACP?
Difference being that before 1947 there was no such thing as a Palestinian
After the Egyptian period, the area split into two parts, the southern part became the Kingdom of Judah and the northern part the Kingdom of Israel.
The term "Palestine" comes from the word Philistine, the name of an ethnic group which lived in the southern coast of the region. The Philistines disappeared as a distinct group by the Assyrian period.
The area was historically inhabited and ruled by Jews, Greeks, Romans, Persians, never Philistinians / Palestinians...
Absolutely right!!!
He risked becoming an object of ridicule the second he clicked "submit" on the above mentioned " ridiculous and foolish" ( you say foolish, we say racist) statement.
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I agree. I'm not defending the statement. I've had run ins with this particular poster myself. Deal with the statement within the boundaries of the thread it was made in. Tear him apart. I don't care. But starting a new thread and calling another poster out by name is weak.
Who knew that so many of you were so judgmental and ignorant. Hey, I'm not trying to make enemies here, but clearly criticism of Judaism and Israel is wrong, not!
Don't fear the ADL, they can only have me sentenced for 2 years in jail.
The ADL is not what you think it is, and if you do some research into it and spend some time on their site, you will see their true colours. The same applies to Israel.
Personally I don't care where the term Palestine came from, it's rather irrelevant to the fact that Arabs calling themselves Palestinians occupied the land of Palestine and was promised it by the Brittish empire long before it was given to the Zionists. You know, goths were originally a western germanic group that killed christians, not the black wearing youth of modern day.
Nothing I've said is any more racist than what Jsand or Shiraz has said about non-Jews being racist. That's a pretty broad generalization if someone is just being critical of Judaism and Israel. I hope someday you people can understand this, it's the ultimate hipocracy. The epitome of racism is a negative generalization of a race or nationality.
An example of a racist statement "All Jews are money loving theives"
An example of a critical statement "In judaism it is only ok to commit usury if the victim is not a Jew, this I think is wrong."
It is practiced about as widely by hardliners of any religion.
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
We are "allowed" to marry whomever we want..........those who prefer marrying in the religion are far from racist.......get the facts straight before you make sweeping generalizations.
making ignorant sweeping statements about a religion makes you a racist.
You are so ignorant....you are citing a radical group's beliefs
I am sure you can find a radical group in every religion or race.
How can anyone take you seriously if all you do is cite extreme sources.
Exactly. It is not legitimate criticism.