"Above all Jews are the most racist people on the planet."

jsandjsand Posts: 646
edited July 2006 in A Moving Train
How many other Pearl Jam fans think this way?

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  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    jsand wrote:
    How many other Pearl Jam fans think this way?

    This was posted by Animhus.

    SAD SAD SAD statement.
  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    jsand wrote:
    How many other Pearl Jam fans think this way?

    This was posted by Animhus.


    Well, considering they aren't allowed to marry outside their own group because it will contaminate the bloodline.....sounds pretty racist to me.
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  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    Milestone wrote:
    Well, considering they aren't allowed to marry outside their own group because it will contaminate the bloodline.....sounds pretty racist to me.

    Wow. This board is truly sickening. Where did you get that from, the protocols of the elders of zion?
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    isnt racist remarks prohibited here? And if you ask Chris Rock, the most racist people on the planet are old black men. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    isnt racist remarks prohibited here? And if you ask Chris Rock, the most racist people on the planet are old black men. :)

    Haha, that's probably true too.
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  • darkcrowdarkcrow Posts: 1,102
    i dont really think you can generalise... that is like saying everyone with a beard is a terrorist. or any man who wears pink is gay.
  • binauralsoundsbinauralsounds Posts: 1,357
    Milestone wrote:
    Well, considering they aren't allowed to marry outside their own group because it will contaminate the bloodline.....sounds pretty racist to me.

    Sorry to inform you that a Jew I know has recently married a catholic. I know, go jump from your window now.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    jsand wrote:
    How many other Pearl Jam fans think this way?

    This was posted by Animhus.

    Thanks for bringing this issue to the forefront.

    If you visit http://www.adl.org and spend some time reading thier view, you can clearly see they are racist towards arabs. The whole organization, called "The Anti-defamation League" was created to "Protect Jews from Anti-Semitism" it claims to protect Homosexuals and Women aswell. However, what it really does is label people anti-semites, it labels people that are critical of judaism or Israel. Which isn't really racism, it's criticism. There is a big difference between holocaust revisionism and the nazis that pulled the switch on the gas chambers. One is a critic and the other is a racist.

    So what has happened? The ADL and many Jews like Jsand, declare that any non-Jew that fails to support Judaism or is critical of Jews and Israel is an anti-semite. Thus further drawing the distinction between Jews (God's Chosen) and Goyyim (non-Jews/Beasts). It's perfectly acceptable to these people to criticise Islam and the Arabs.
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  • MilestoneMilestone Posts: 1,140
    Sorry to inform you that a Jew I know has recently married a catholic. I know, go jump from your window now.


    Oh, ok, thanks. I didn't realize that there were any exceptions to the rule in this great big world of ours.

    Why would I jump from my window? I'm not anti-jew, nor do I give a shit who marries who. I just threw in my 2 cents.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Milestone wrote:
    Oh, ok, thanks. I didn't realize that there were any exceptions to the rule in this great big world of ours.

    Why would I jump from my window? I'm not anti-jew, nor do I give a shit who marries who. I just threw in my 2 cents.

    The marriage issue is a part of Judaism, I don't think it's necissarily law, but widely practiced. It's also written in the Talmud that if a Goy has any part in the wine making process that the wine is tainted and should not be consumed by a Jew.
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  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Funny, she doesnt look Drewish.
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  • This whole issue is getting out of control.

    Of course a lot of jews are racist, I've experienced it in Israel.

    ..But then so are a lot of WMA's

    ..And Blacks

    ..And Hispanics

    ..And Muslims

    let's not generalise eh? There are unfortunately a lot of racists in the world, but labelling each other isn't going to help matters on this already divisive subject.
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Funny, she doesnt look Drewish.
    :)
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    darkcrow wrote:
    i dont really think you can generalise... that is like saying everyone with a beard is a terrorist. or any man who wears pink is gay.

    exactly.
    no one group corners the market on being racist, ageist, sexist, etc. vast, generalized statements just don't work.
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  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Jews are not rascist. But ths state of Isreal may have many rascist policies. I've heard of some objectionable policies regarding things like land ownership, voting rights and citizenshiip rights in Isreal. I have not verified their truthfulness but if they are true then Isreal may have some rascist policies. But so does Canada and just about every country in the world.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Jews are not rascist. But ths state of Isreal may have many rascist policies. I've heard of some objectionable policies regarding things like land ownership, voting rights and citizenshiip rights in Isreal. I have not verified their truthfulness but if they are true then Isreal may have some rascist policies. But so does Canada and just about every country in the world.

    The state of Israel does have highly racist policies. Mostly based in Judaism. The only racist law I know of in Canada is that criticism of Judaism is illegal.
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  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The state of Israel does have highly racist policies. Mostly based in Judaism. The only racist law I know of in Canada is that criticism of Judaism is illegal.

    What are the highly racist policies?
  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The state of Israel does have highly racist policies. Mostly based in Judaism. The only racist law I know of in Canada is that criticism of Judaism is illegal.

    Which negates freedom of speech.....
  • surferdudesurferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The state of Israel does have highly racist policies. Mostly based in Judaism. The only racist law I know of in Canada is that criticism of Judaism is illegal.
    I think Canada's treatment of Natives differently from non-Natives is racist.
    EDIT: Note to self, learn how to spell the word racist.
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  • RockinInCanadaRockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    surferdude wrote:
    I think Canada's treatment of Natives differently from non-Natives is racist.
    EDIT: Note to self, learn how to spell the word racist.


    That is what I thought you had originally meant.....
  • CaterinaACaterinaA Posts: 572
    Milestone wrote:
    Well, considering they aren't allowed to marry outside their own group because it will contaminate the bloodline.....sounds pretty racist to me.

    Ohh come on, that is how it used to be a long time ago...really, things have changed. Back in the day when jewish people were aprehensive it was because of self-preservation instinct. The so-called "prohibition" stems from the fact that the Torah states that religion is trasmitted through the mother's womb. Hence, ff course orthodox jews won't marry outside their beliefs, likewise, strict catholics will only marry catholics, etc, etc.

    I think it is not the same an average jew than an orthodox jew...

    My husband is jewish (a non practicing one, who only attends festivities for the food) and really almost all the jewish people I've met (and there are lots here in Argentina) have no problems with mixed marriages.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    jsand wrote:
    What are the highly racist policies?

    Well, taking water from the arabs and selling it back to them for one. How about detaining thousands of arabs without trial? Do you do the same for israelis?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    I think Canada's treatment of Natives differently from non-Natives is racist.
    EDIT: Note to self, learn how to spell the word racist.

    I actually agree with you there. So yea, we are racist, towards ourselves.
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  • shirazshiraz Posts: 528
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Thanks for bringing this issue to the forefront.

    If you visit http://www.adl.org and spend some time reading thier view, you can clearly see they are racist towards arabs. The whole organization, called "The Anti-defamation League" was created to "Protect Jews from Anti-Semitism" it claims to protect Homosexuals and Women aswell. However, what it really does is label people anti-semites, it labels people that are critical of judaism or Israel. Which isn't really racism, it's criticism. There is a big difference between holocaust revisionism and the nazis that pulled the switch on the gas chambers. One is a critic and the other is a racist.

    So what has happened? The ADL and many Jews like Jsand, declare that any non-Jew that fails to support Judaism or is critical of Jews and Israel is an anti-semite. Thus further drawing the distinction between Jews (God's Chosen) and Goyyim (non-Jews/Beasts). It's perfectly acceptable to these people to criticise Islam and the Arabs.

    This is what I think:

    1. If the ADL takes a stand X, it doesn't mean every jew person will think the same about it. Generalization is a bad thing.

    2. Anti-Semitism = Using Judaism/the state of Israel as a reason or an excuse for thinking or doing all kind of negative / stereotypic things to a Jewish person.

    3. *Automatically* criticizing the state of Israel in a very demagogic and unbalanced way no matter what = Neo-Anti-Semitism.

    4. Criticizing the state of Israel in a fair, deep and balanced way is more than wellcomed. Calling it Anti-Semitism is wrong, and only brings more hate and real Anti-Semitism.

    5. Disliking Jewish customs / tradition is ok, as long as there are no Anti-Semitismtic reasons for thinking that way.

    6. It is only natural for one to stay in his own "environment". That's why most black people would marry to each other, Christians with Christians and Jews with Jews. Yes, there is the fear of "becoming assimilated" with other religions, and after ww2 that fear became stronger cause we hardly survived. There are lots of non-religious families and religious ones who don't think marring a Christian is unacceptable, and there are others who think it is.

    That's it for now :-)
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    shiraz wrote:
    This is what I think:

    1. If the ADL takes a stand X, it doesn't mean every jew person will think the same about it. Generalization is a bad thing.

    2. Anti-Semitism = Using Judaism as a reason or an excuse for thinking or doing all kind of negative / stereotypic things to a Jewish person.

    3. *Automatically* criticizing the state of Israel in a very demagogic and unbalanced way no matter what = Neo-Anti-Semitism.

    4. Criticizing the state of Israel in a fair, deep and balanced way is more than wellcomed. Calling it Anti-Semitism is wrong, and only brings more hate and real Anti-Semitism.

    5. Disliking Jewish customs / tradition is ok, as long as there are no Anti-Semitismtic reasons for thinking that way.

    6. It is only natural for one to stay in his own "environment". That's why most black people would marry to each other, Christians with Christians and Jews with Jews. Yes, there is the fear of "becoming assimilated" with other religions, and after ww2 that fear became stronger cause we hardly survived. There are lots of non-religious families and religious ones who don't think marring a Christian is unacceptable, and there are others who think it is.

    That's it for now :-)

    Good analysis, so why do groups like the ADL and people like Jsand quickly call everyone that confronts them Anti-Semites? and why don't they just use the term Racist?
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    By the way Shiraz, let me correct #2 for you, Anti-Semitism is racism towards semites, which are both Hebrew and Arabic speaking people, Jews and Arabs are both Semites.
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  • shirazshiraz Posts: 528
    Ahnimus wrote:
    By the way Shiraz, let me correct #2 for you, Anti-Semitism is racism towards semites, which are both Hebrew and Arabic speaking people, Jews and Arabs are both Semites.

    Of caurse! But you know that over the years, Anti-Semitism became identified with Anti-jews, no one using this expression for arabs.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Here is a good source for you Jsand. It's an Israeli article on how Israel descriminates against Arabs, very informative for anyone ignorant to Israel's crimes.

    "The Arab population in Israel is engaged in an ongoing struggle for equality in all spheres of life. At the same time this population also has a major share in the struggle of all Israeli peace forces - Jewish and Arab - against the occupation and for a just peace, as well as in the struggles to defend democratic rights, workers' rights and economic welfare, and for full equality of all citizens in all fields.

    The Arabs in Israel are Israeli citizens and part of the Arab Palestinian people. They constitute a national minority comprising some 900,000 citizens, about 18% of the total population. The great majority of them are hired workers who are employed outside their own communities. The number of those engaged in agriculture has shrunk steadily, due to repeated confiscations of land owned by the Arab population in Israel.

    All governments of Israel have continued along the basic line of perpetuating the discrimination. Nevertheless, the many struggles conducted over the years did yield some significant achievements. Among them were prevention of some additional land confiscations, and suspension of the implementation of others; recognition of some Arab communities as cities, after years when - despite having inhabitants in the tens of thousands - they were officially designated "villages"; prevention in many cases of the demolition of "illegal" Arab houses; and the allocation of certain government budgets. But the policy of discrimination did not change in its fundaments, and in some spheres the situation actually worsened. "

    http://www.icf.org.il/arabs.htm

    Actually this may be written by an Arab Israelite, because of the excessive use of the word "struggle" which is the exact translation of Jihad. Maybe not, but that's just an observation.
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  • IndianSummerIndianSummer Posts: 854
    surferdude wrote:
    I think Canada's treatment of Natives differently from non-Natives is racist.

    yes, not just in canada, but in all new world countries. the way the new world was formed, by guns and germs and steel, is to my mind the most raci-cistic event in all human history. no wonder there are so few natives left.
    I have faced it, A life wasted...

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  • shirazshiraz Posts: 528
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Good analysis, so why do groups like the ADL and people like Jsand quickly call everyone that confronts them Anti-Semites? and why don't they just use the term Racist?

    Jsand? ask him or give me an example and then ask what I think about it.

    Anyway, maybe because there are too many cases as described at paragraphs 2 & 3, you become too defensive about everything.
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