another reason why i am a firm believer in the death penalty.....

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  • Bu2
    Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    QuarterToTen wrote:
    i'm sorry, but being objective when some animal has sexually abused MY child isn't ever gonna happen. an emotional response is just a basic instinct.

    the legal system is far from infallible.

    Which is how some innocent people are put to death.

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    Period.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Put them in a room where riot act was on repeat non-stop for the rest of their lives
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    so you also have no problem with selling 25 lbs. heroin to an 18 year old kid???

    or cocaine???...or crystal meth????

    this should be legal????

    I don't think 18 years old should be doing heroin, hell...I wouldn't advise anyone to do that stuff. But that doesn't mean that they aren't going to get it when they want it anyway. They do and will always continue to get high any way they choose.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    QuarterToTen wrote:
    i'm sorry, but being objective when some animal has sexually abused MY child isn't ever gonna happen. an emotional response is just a basic instinct.

    the legal system is far from infallible.

    Of course, as a parent you obviously would use your basic instinct and have a fierce emotional reaction....but that's not the issue here. Parents in these cases don't get to decide the fate of these criminals for a reason.

    And you don't even have to tell me about the justice system being screwed up...I know. That being said... it's a whole lot more reasonable than letting emotional reactions dictate our sentencing and correctional system.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I think a big help in stopping a few (even stopping 1 is good) is the to catch a predator tv show on dateline.

    but your post sounds ominous. what, if anything, would prevent child rape from happening?

    We have to understand why they are pedophiles.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

    And distinguish pedophilia as a paraphilia from ephebophilia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia

    Anyway, there is lots of information about all this stuff online, though specific treatments have not been 100% effective. In order to win this battle, we need to keep the afflicted alive long enough to study them and test treatments.

    http://samvak.tripod.com/pedophilia.html
    http://psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia.html
    http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/what-is-pedophilia.htm
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I don't think 18 years old should be doing heroin, hell...I wouldn't advise anyone to do that stuff. But that doesn't mean that they aren't going to get it when they want it anyway. They do and will always continue to get high any way they choose.
    but you still feel that drugs should be legal.....

    correct???
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    PaperPlates wrote:
    To each his own. Thats the beauty of America, the freedom to have your own opinion. ;)
    Until you're killed by the State.


    Yes, conservatives. The State.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    and you believe this true for all drugs???

    crystal meth??
    cocaine...
    extasy???

    blah blah blah.......

    make them all legal to sell/use????

    unless you are under the age of 18????
    Best to have them taken out of the system by the State.



    Yes, conservatives. The State.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Of course the emotional response to having this happen to one of your own children would be to want these guys dead. But that's why we have a legal system that encourages a more objective approach. Killing people doesn't solve anything...it only makes you a murderer.
    we have a legal system where 38 states approve the death penalty....
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    callen wrote:
    ......"am I okay to take the life of a few innocent people in order to kill the guilty ones?"
    That's an excellent question, and I haven't seen any death penalty supporters answer it. So, I'll repeat. Is it o.k. for the State to execute a few innocent people provided they get the guilty ones too?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    fanch75 wrote:
    Put them in a room where riot act was on repeat non-stop for the rest of their lives


    wow, you really dislike Riot Act, i actually love it!
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    RainDog wrote:
    That's an excellent question, and I haven't seen any death penalty supporters answer it. So, I'll repeat. Is it o.k. for the State to execute a few innocent people provided they get the guilty ones too?
    well.....

    our prisons have people serving life sentences for crimes they did not commit........correct????

    many people serving 20 year sentences for crimes they did not commit.....correct???

    so should we stop puting people on trial???

    sounds silly....but i am just making an argument
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    well.....

    our prisons have people serving life sentences for crimes they did not commit........correct????

    many people serving 20 year sentences for crimes they did not commit.....correct???

    so should we stop puting people on trial???

    sounds silly....but i am just making an argument
    You're right, that's extremely silly. An innocent person serving a life sentence, while he'll never get his time back, can be released and compensated. So can a person serving a 20 year sentence. Until we convince Jesus to work for our legal system, there's no bringing back the dead.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    RainDog wrote:
    You're right, that's extremely silly. An innocent person serving a life sentence, while he'll never get his time back, can be released and compensated. So can a person serving a 20 year sentence. Until we convince Jesus to work for our legal system, there's no bringing back the dead.
    hundreds maybe thousands of people have served life sentences for crimes they did not commit.....rotted away in prison...and died in prison....

    is that not a death penalty???
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    hundreds maybe thousands of people have served life sentences for crimes they did not commit.....rotted away in prison...and died in prison....

    is that not a death penalty???
    No, it's not. That's a tragedy, sure, and one of the reasons we have the "endless appeals" process in this country that so many people like to complain about. But it's not the death penalty. It's life in prison.

    So are you saying that it's O.K. to kill a few wrongfully convicted innocent people provided we get some guilty ones too?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    RainDog wrote:
    No, it's not. That's a tragedy, sure, and one of the reasons we have the "endless appeals" process in this country that so many people like to complain about. But it's not the death penalty. It's life in prison.

    So are you saying that it's O.K. to kill a few wrongfully convicted innocent people provided we get some guilty ones too?
    what i am saying.....and have said all along....

    is that i am a firm believer in the death penalty..........

    and if innocent people are put to death....for a crime they did not commit...

    then i guess i will agree with you....that it is a tragedy......
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  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    what i am saying.....and have said all along....

    is that i am a firm believer in the death penalty..........

    and if innocent people are put to death....for a crime they did not commit...

    then i guess i will agree with you....that it is a tragedy......
    Then I have to ask, why the need to kill them? I can see a need to punish them. I can see a need to remove them from society. I can see how a wrongfully imprisoned person can be released. Is your need for revenge so strong that you are willing to let slide State sanctioned murder of innocent people? I'm guessing that's provided the innocent person being murdered isn't someone you know.

    But let's say it is. The State has murdered someone you love. The penalty for murder is death, by your own reasoning. Who do we kill in retribution? Or would a heafty payout be enough for you?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    RainDog wrote:
    Then I have to ask, why the need to kill them? I can see a need to punish them. I can see a need to remove them from society. I can see how a wrongfully imprisoned person can be released. Is your need for revenge so strong that you are willing to let slide State sanctioned murder of innocent people? I'm guessing that's provided the innocent person being murdered isn't someone you know.

    But let's say it is. The State has murdered someone you love. The penalty for murder is death, by your own reasoning. Who do we kill in retribution? Or would a heafty payout be enough for you?

    i cant put it any more clearer....

    i am a firm believer in the death penalty...
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  • THC
    THC Posts: 525
    One thing i think they can do to strenghthen penalties...which i think makes sense is this:

    Instead of charging them w/ distributing images...etc. Shouldn't they be charged w/ the rape and torchure of children if they are paying to watch this happen (esp. in real time)? I mean, I think, if you paid to have someone else do those types of sickening things...then you should be charged w/ the same crimes as though you have done them yourself!
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 27,066
    THC wrote:
    One thing i think they can do to strenghthen penalties...which i think makes sense is this:

    Instead of charging them w/ distributing images...etc. Shouldn't they be charged w/ the rape and torchure of children if they are paying to watch this happen (esp. in real time)? I mean, I think, if you paid to have someone else do those types of sickening things...then you should be charged w/ the same crimes as though you have done them yourself!
    guilt by association???

    interesting......
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