another reason why i am a firm believer in the death penalty.....

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    So don't you think if these sex offenders got proper care when they were released that that would benefit society more.
    whatever it takes to prevent child rape, I would support...obviously. I think we need to define "proper care"
    spiral out wrote:
    I don't know how things work over there, but here the support for sex offenders is very shoddy. I think some get to go to groups and talk with therapists when there locked up, but as soon as there let out the support drops of rapidly, getting to talk to someone for an hour or two every week is not really enough to help people with these real stronge urges. so it's easy to see how they could reoffend.
    I honestly dont know. but i'm sure its similar.
    spiral out wrote:
    What do you think about chemical castration for pedophiles? it was in the papers here last week i think. I think it would certainly help those who really want to fight there urges.
    this is a great idea
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    because i feel pieces of shit who take advantage and ruin the lives of innocent children.....

    should have a bullet put in to their fucking brain ....................

    Do you also believe in the following:

    - revenge thefts
    - revenge fraud
    - revenge assaults
    - revenge armed robbery
    - revenge rapes

    ????

    If not, tell me how they are different than revenge murder (the death penalty)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    because i feel pieces of shit who take advantage and ruin the lives of innocent children.....

    should have a bullet put in to their fucking brain ....................


    I believe divorce ruins the lives of innocent children as well. Should we kill their parents to pay for it?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Daeth Penalty? No.
    I think they should be exposed to the Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell sex tape, non-stop for about 20 years or so. Then, let them sit in their cells for the rest of their lives, trying to get that image out of their heads
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  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    know1 wrote:
    Do you also believe in the following:

    - revenge thefts
    - revenge fraud
    - revenge assaults
    - revenge armed robbery
    - revenge rapes

    ????

    If not, tell me how they are different than revenge murder (the death penalty)
    you cannot understand the difference between someone wanting revenge for being frauded or robbed vs. being raped, murdered, and assaulted?

    As I said earlier, there is no such thing as justice. Crimes like these scream for revenge.

    If somone ever did anything like those mentioned in the article to my son, you can bet you ass I would do things to that person in the name of revenge that would make speedy look like mother theresa or make hostile look like a saturday morning cartoon.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    know1 wrote:
    I believe divorce ruins the lives of innocent children as well. Should we kill their parents to pay for it?
    no we shouldnt. reason: because being anally raped as a child does FAR more damage then divorce does.

    quite shocking that I needed to explain this to you.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no we shouldnt. reason: because being anally raped as a child does FAR more damage then divorce does.

    quite shocking that I needed to explain this to you.

    Quite shocking that you think everyone reacts the same to all situations. Pretty naive, really.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    you cannot understand the difference between someone wanting revenge for being frauded or robbed vs. being raped, murdered, and assaulted?

    As I said earlier, there is no such thing as justice. Crimes like these scream for revenge.

    If somone ever did anything like those mentioned in the article to my son, you can bet you ass I would do things to that person in the name of revenge that would make speedy look like mother theresa or make hostile look like a saturday morning cartoon.

    I understand the difference, but we usually apply the death penalty to murder cases. Therefore, doesn't it make sense that we should apply similar "eye for an eye" justice if we want to allow revenge to guide us?

    I personally think the type of revenge you describe in your last paragraph is pathetically sad.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    know1 wrote:
    Quite shocking that you think everyone reacts the same to all situations. Pretty naive, really.
    what the hell are you talking about? you are the one who suggested we kill parents for getting a divorce. I had to explain why we shouldnt.

    should crimes not be punished?
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    jlew24asu wrote:
    what the hell are you talking about? you are the one who suggested we kill parents for getting a divorce. I had to explain why we shouldnt.

    should crimes not be punished?


    No - I didn't suggest that (go back and read it again). I posed a question related to the "ruin the lives of innocent children" being the basis for murder.

    I don't believe parents should be shot for divorcing, but I do believe that in some cases the divorce ruins the lives of the children.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    know1 wrote:
    No - I didn't suggest that (go back and read it again). I posed a question related to the "ruin the lives of innocent children" being the basis for murder.

    I don't believe parents should be shot for divorcing, but I do believe that in some cases the divorce ruins the lives of the children.
    I agree. but what you fail to realize is child rape does far more damage then divorce. so you example is horseshit.
  • Gremmie95
    Gremmie95 Posts: 749
    so if the death penalty isn't the best solution, what is?

    Personally, I would suggest castration (seriously) as step one (without pain meds), fingernail removal (all 10), toenail removal (all 10), 32 root canals (no pain meds) to start.
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    know1 wrote:
    I understand the difference, but we usually apply the death penalty to murder cases. Therefore, doesn't it make sense that we should apply similar "eye for an eye" justice if we want to allow revenge to guide us?

    I personally think the type of revenge you describe in your last paragraph is pathetically sad.

    Revenge when someone commits a terribe act against your physical existence or a loved ones is completely justified to me.

    Revenge when someone commits a bad act against your stuff is much, much different. Punishment is the "penalty" in this case, not revenge.

    I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    Revenge when someone commits a terribe act against your physical existence or a loved ones is completely justified to me.

    Revenge when someone commits a bad act against your stuff is much, much different. Punishment is the "penalty" in this case, not revenge.

    I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.

    And I think the death penalty is hypocritical and wrong because it promotes revenge. I'm against it in all circumstances.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    You can kill them, jail them for life, rape them, beat them, etc...

    None of it will stop the next one.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.

    many on death row are innocent..many have already been released...so the first question pro death penalty folks should ask themselves is......"am I okay to take the life of a few innocent people in order to kill the guilty ones?"
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  • PJ_Saluki
    PJ_Saluki Posts: 1,006
    Dead man walking. You have to think that guards will let the other prisoners know about that sick bastard's crime. The article said the guy would be in prison until he's no longer deemed a threat to children. I guess we'll see him back on the streets in about 1,000 years.
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    You can kill them, jail them for life, rape them, beat them, etc...

    None of it will stop the next one.
    I think a big help in stopping a few (even stopping 1 is good) is the to catch a predator tv show on dateline.

    but your post sounds ominous. what, if anything, would prevent child rape from happening?
  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    Cut off their arms and legs and stick them in a playground....seriously.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    know1 wrote:
    I believe divorce ruins the lives of innocent children as well. Should we kill their parents to pay for it?

    honestly, there is a HUGE difference. you know that.

    tough call know1. i respect you standing for your morals and taking the higher road. tough call until it happens to you, then things may change. i dont know what i would do

    and i am anti-death penalty. but government sanctioned revenge killing is different than my personal feelings in the heat of the moment and what would satisfy me

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