Yes, people in this country do want to see children tried as adults and imprisoned. Perhaps not as young as we're talking here, but still children.
As for your last two questions (and man, those are some questions - the question marks prove it. Me? I'm more a fan of parenthetical asides), well, I don't know. Perhaps they'll be rapists in prison, perhaps not. Chances are, they'll be on the receiving end. I hear tell pedophiles don't do so well in the general population. Instead, what you've brought up is an issue with our prison system itself. When confined, dangerous people are still dangerous - only now they're concentrated and mixed in with less violent offenders. In that mix, who do you think's going to end up as a plaything? Ah, but that's a different topic.
We're talking about the death penalty. Personally, even as a liberal I can't see myself trusting the State that much.
but not once has anyone here mentioned the word rehabilitate.....
isnt that what prison is supposed to be about???
are these sick fucks even worth making the effort to rehabilitate????
or is that a different topic for a different day????
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how many sexually abused people have you talked to?
and I don't think you understand the victims mentality. but since "the ones you met" dont want the death penalty for their attackers, then that shouldnt be an option?
A fare few of the people i know were abused as children most by family memebers.
Death penalty will not deter sex offenders i belive there urges are stronger than that.
What is the victims mentality, from your point of view?
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I'm with speedy all the way on this one. Bullet to the head is too easy though. Bring these fuckers out to the middle of the ocean and toss em over, with a 40 pound weight attached.
There is no such thing as justice anyway. Its really a bullshit word.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
but not once has anyone here mentioned the word rehabilitate.....
isnt that what prison is supposed to be about???
are these sick fucks even worth making the effort to rehabilitate????
or is that a different topic for a different day????
Life in prison is usually the counter-point to capital punishment; and life in prison pretty much rules out rehabilitation. After all, what are you going to rehab them for? More prison? And in this specific situation, I think life in prison is justified. I'm not sure these people can be rehabilitated.
I'm against the death penalty for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest for me is that it reinforces an ugly side of humanity - drooling revenge.
Alot of those people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves as children.
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A fare few of the people i know were abused as children most by family memebers.
Death penalty will not deter sex offenders i belive there urges are stronger than that.
I dont know if the death penalty will deter it or not. probably not, but maybe seeing how some sex offenders get probation and continue to abuse children.
What is the victims mentality, from your point of view?
i'm no expert but I feel the victims of sexual abuse are either fearful of their attackers and blame themselves instead of the abuser. I could be wrong though
"Child molesters often feel great remorse once they realize the pain that they have caused by taking advantage of children. They realize that imposing their will on children and forcing them to do things they did not want to do was wrong. Therefore, part of the rehabilitation process, as well as any incarceration, must be therapy to help them see that molestation was not the correct way to ameliorate their stress or frustration and to find more productive and less harmful ways to cope with future stress and frustration in their lives.
Once they are once again in society, they need to have support groups made available that they can turn to in times of crisis to help them stay mindful of what they have learned. Most importantly, they need to have supportive families and friends who can help them to remain positive and to help them recognize the signs of distress in time to seek help." http://hfp.puellula.com/Polemic/WhatIs.html
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"Child molesters often feel great remorse once they realize the pain that they have caused by taking advantage of children. They realize that imposing their will on children and forcing them to do things they did not want to do was wrong. Therefore, part of the rehabilitation process, as well as any incarceration, must be therapy to help them see that molestation was not the correct way to ameliorate their stress or frustration and to find more productive and less harmful ways to cope with future stress and frustration in their lives.
Once they are once again in society, they need to have support groups made available that they can turn to in times of crisis to help them stay mindful of what they have learned. Most importantly, they need to have supportive families and friends who can help them to remain positive and to help them recognize the signs of distress in time to seek help." http://hfp.puellula.com/Polemic/WhatIs.html
they need to have their kneecaps cut out........
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I dont know if the death penalty will deter it or not. probably not, but maybe seeing how some sex offenders get probation and continue to abuse children.
i'm no expert but I feel the victims of sexual abuse are either fearful of their attackers and blame themselves instead of the abuser. I could be wrong though
So don't you think if these sex offenders got proper care when they were released that that would benefit society more.
I don't know how things work over there, but here the support for sex offenders is very shoddy. I think some get to go to groups and talk with therapists when there locked up, but as soon as there let out the support drops of rapidly, getting to talk to someone for an hour or two every week is not really enough to help people with these real stronge urges. so it's easy to see how they could reoffend.
What do you think about chemical castration for pedophiles? it was in the papers here last week i think. I think it would certainly help those who really want to fight there urges.
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Definetly, that would help them, but there are still those who view raping as a way to gain power over somebody else. And it only works for male molestors.
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I don't know how things work over there, but here the support for sex offenders is very shoddy. I think some get to go to groups and talk with therapists when there locked up, but as soon as there let out the support drops of rapidly, getting to talk to someone for an hour or two every week is not really enough to help people with these real stronge urges. so it's easy to see how they could reoffend.
What do you think about chemical castration for pedophiles? it was in the papers here last week i think. I think it would certainly help those who really want to fight there urges.
Daeth Penalty? No.
I think they should be exposed to the Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell sex tape, non-stop for about 20 years or so. Then, let them sit in their cells for the rest of their lives, trying to get that image out of their heads
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If not, tell me how they are different than revenge murder (the death penalty)
you cannot understand the difference between someone wanting revenge for being frauded or robbed vs. being raped, murdered, and assaulted?
As I said earlier, there is no such thing as justice. Crimes like these scream for revenge.
If somone ever did anything like those mentioned in the article to my son, you can bet you ass I would do things to that person in the name of revenge that would make speedy look like mother theresa or make hostile look like a saturday morning cartoon.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
you cannot understand the difference between someone wanting revenge for being frauded or robbed vs. being raped, murdered, and assaulted?
As I said earlier, there is no such thing as justice. Crimes like these scream for revenge.
If somone ever did anything like those mentioned in the article to my son, you can bet you ass I would do things to that person in the name of revenge that would make speedy look like mother theresa or make hostile look like a saturday morning cartoon.
I understand the difference, but we usually apply the death penalty to murder cases. Therefore, doesn't it make sense that we should apply similar "eye for an eye" justice if we want to allow revenge to guide us?
I personally think the type of revenge you describe in your last paragraph is pathetically sad.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
what the hell are you talking about? you are the one who suggested we kill parents for getting a divorce. I had to explain why we shouldnt.
should crimes not be punished?
No - I didn't suggest that (go back and read it again). I posed a question related to the "ruin the lives of innocent children" being the basis for murder.
I don't believe parents should be shot for divorcing, but I do believe that in some cases the divorce ruins the lives of the children.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
No - I didn't suggest that (go back and read it again). I posed a question related to the "ruin the lives of innocent children" being the basis for murder.
I don't believe parents should be shot for divorcing, but I do believe that in some cases the divorce ruins the lives of the children.
I agree. but what you fail to realize is child rape does far more damage then divorce. so you example is horseshit.
so if the death penalty isn't the best solution, what is?
Personally, I would suggest castration (seriously) as step one (without pain meds), fingernail removal (all 10), toenail removal (all 10), 32 root canals (no pain meds) to start.
I understand the difference, but we usually apply the death penalty to murder cases. Therefore, doesn't it make sense that we should apply similar "eye for an eye" justice if we want to allow revenge to guide us?
I personally think the type of revenge you describe in your last paragraph is pathetically sad.
Revenge when someone commits a terribe act against your physical existence or a loved ones is completely justified to me.
Revenge when someone commits a bad act against your stuff is much, much different. Punishment is the "penalty" in this case, not revenge.
I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
You can kill them, jail them for life, rape them, beat them, etc...
None of it will stop the next one.
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I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.
many on death row are innocent..many have already been released...so the first question pro death penalty folks should ask themselves is......"am I okay to take the life of a few innocent people in order to kill the guilty ones?"
Dead man walking. You have to think that guards will let the other prisoners know about that sick bastard's crime. The article said the guy would be in prison until he's no longer deemed a threat to children. I guess we'll see him back on the streets in about 1,000 years.
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I believe divorce ruins the lives of innocent children as well. Should we kill their parents to pay for it?
honestly, there is a HUGE difference. you know that.
tough call know1. i respect you standing for your morals and taking the higher road. tough call until it happens to you, then things may change. i dont know what i would do
and i am anti-death penalty. but government sanctioned revenge killing is different than my personal feelings in the heat of the moment and what would satisfy me
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isnt that what prison is supposed to be about???
are these sick fucks even worth making the effort to rehabilitate????
or is that a different topic for a different day????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
A fare few of the people i know were abused as children most by family memebers.
Death penalty will not deter sex offenders i belive there urges are stronger than that.
What is the victims mentality, from your point of view?
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
There is no such thing as justice anyway. Its really a bullshit word.
I'm against the death penalty for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest for me is that it reinforces an ugly side of humanity - drooling revenge.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
i'm no expert but I feel the victims of sexual abuse are either fearful of their attackers and blame themselves instead of the abuser. I could be wrong though
Once they are once again in society, they need to have support groups made available that they can turn to in times of crisis to help them stay mindful of what they have learned. Most importantly, they need to have supportive families and friends who can help them to remain positive and to help them recognize the signs of distress in time to seek help." http://hfp.puellula.com/Polemic/WhatIs.html
Real Love has no Gender
Real Beliefs have no Religion
Real Human Beings don't Hate. Please don't Discriminate.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So don't you think if these sex offenders got proper care when they were released that that would benefit society more.
I don't know how things work over there, but here the support for sex offenders is very shoddy. I think some get to go to groups and talk with therapists when there locked up, but as soon as there let out the support drops of rapidly, getting to talk to someone for an hour or two every week is not really enough to help people with these real stronge urges. so it's easy to see how they could reoffend.
What do you think about chemical castration for pedophiles? it was in the papers here last week i think. I think it would certainly help those who really want to fight there urges.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Real Love has no Gender
Real Beliefs have no Religion
Real Human Beings don't Hate. Please don't Discriminate.
I honestly dont know. but i'm sure its similar.
this is a great idea
Do you also believe in the following:
- revenge thefts
- revenge fraud
- revenge assaults
- revenge armed robbery
- revenge rapes
????
If not, tell me how they are different than revenge murder (the death penalty)
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I believe divorce ruins the lives of innocent children as well. Should we kill their parents to pay for it?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I think they should be exposed to the Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell sex tape, non-stop for about 20 years or so. Then, let them sit in their cells for the rest of their lives, trying to get that image out of their heads
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As I said earlier, there is no such thing as justice. Crimes like these scream for revenge.
If somone ever did anything like those mentioned in the article to my son, you can bet you ass I would do things to that person in the name of revenge that would make speedy look like mother theresa or make hostile look like a saturday morning cartoon.
quite shocking that I needed to explain this to you.
Quite shocking that you think everyone reacts the same to all situations. Pretty naive, really.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I understand the difference, but we usually apply the death penalty to murder cases. Therefore, doesn't it make sense that we should apply similar "eye for an eye" justice if we want to allow revenge to guide us?
I personally think the type of revenge you describe in your last paragraph is pathetically sad.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
should crimes not be punished?
No - I didn't suggest that (go back and read it again). I posed a question related to the "ruin the lives of innocent children" being the basis for murder.
I don't believe parents should be shot for divorcing, but I do believe that in some cases the divorce ruins the lives of the children.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Personally, I would suggest castration (seriously) as step one (without pain meds), fingernail removal (all 10), toenail removal (all 10), 32 root canals (no pain meds) to start.
Revenge when someone commits a terribe act against your physical existence or a loved ones is completely justified to me.
Revenge when someone commits a bad act against your stuff is much, much different. Punishment is the "penalty" in this case, not revenge.
I'm for the death penalty when convicted without any doubt of guilt for the crimes of rape, molestation, and murder.
And I think the death penalty is hypocritical and wrong because it promotes revenge. I'm against it in all circumstances.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
None of it will stop the next one.
many on death row are innocent..many have already been released...so the first question pro death penalty folks should ask themselves is......"am I okay to take the life of a few innocent people in order to kill the guilty ones?"
but your post sounds ominous. what, if anything, would prevent child rape from happening?
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honestly, there is a HUGE difference. you know that.
tough call know1. i respect you standing for your morals and taking the higher road. tough call until it happens to you, then things may change. i dont know what i would do
and i am anti-death penalty. but government sanctioned revenge killing is different than my personal feelings in the heat of the moment and what would satisfy me