another reason why i am a firm believer in the death penalty.....

SPEEDY MCCREADY

spiral out wrote:

Were you sexually abused?

Of the people i've met that have suffered sexual abuse none of them have ever said they're abusers should get the death penalty.

nope.......

it just sickens me that people prey on young defenseless children for their sexual pleasure....

its just a sick fucking thing to do......

and i believe that you should be put to fucking death for committing these types of crimes.....

RainDog

Curious. It's always the "dude, I'm like totally extreme an' shit" conservatives that want to grant the State the ultimate power over life and death. The State. Gotta love it.

QuarterToTen

heinous crimes such as those against children and the elderly
are the reason the death penalty was instituted.

these individuals are beyond rehabilitation and are not fit
to be members of a normal society.

there is no excuse for such behavior, it makes me sick.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Kann wrote:

What will it accomplish? It won't bring back innocence to the children, it won't stop other pedophiles from acting (did death penalty stop murders from happening in states where it's used?), I don't think it would accomplish anything. Appart from easing our taste for vengeance.
Sometimes I feel like I wouldn't mind seeing some criminals die a slow painful death, but this is not what I want for my society.

what will keeping the pedophile alive in prison for the next 40-60 years accomplish????

jlew24asu

Kann wrote:

What will it accomplish? It won't bring back innocence to the children, it won't stop other pedophiles from acting (did death penalty stop murders from happening in states where it's used?), I don't think it would accomplish anything. Appart from easing our taste for vengeance.
Sometimes I feel like I wouldn't mind seeing some criminals die a slow painful death, but this is not what I want for my society.

the fear of the death penalty certainly might stop others from being pedophiles. and I'm with ya on the slow painful death. maybe that will help deter it.

but what would you suggest the penalty be? and again, i'm not a huge cheerleader for the death penalty but for people who rape children, something needs to happen more then probation.

RainDog

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

what will keeping the pedophile alive in prison for the next 40-60 years accomplish????

Well, it would put a stop to their pederast ways, wouldn't it? Until we start imprisoning children, that is.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

Of the people i've met that have suffered sexual abuse none of them have ever said they're abusers should get the death penalty.

how many sexually abused people have you talked to?

and I don't think you understand the victims mentality. but since "the ones you met" dont want the death penalty for their attackers, then that shouldnt be an option?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

RainDog wrote:

Well, it would put a stop to their pederast ways, wouldn't it? Until we start imprisoning children, that is.

imprisoning children???? yeah ok.....

would it really stop their sick twisted ways????

you dont think they would continue to be sick rapist sexual deviates in prison??????

Kann

jlew24asu wrote:

the fear of the death penalty certainly might stop others from being pedophiles. and I'm with ya on the slow painful death. maybe that will help deter it.

but what would you suggest the penalty be? and again, i'm not a huge cheerleader for the death penalty but for people who rape children, something needs to happen more then probation.

I don't think the fear of the death penalty stops anyone other than those fearing life in prison.
Take someone willing to commit the crime knowing he will get life in prison if he gets caught : chances are he will also commit the crime risking the death penalty. We all now someone who expressed the wish to die, but I never heard anyone wanting to spend his life in prison.
I always thought that for cases that got the death penalty an incompressible life sentence would be a fair equivalent

RainDog

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

imprisoning children???? yeah ok.....

would it really stop their sick twisted ways????

you dont think they would continue to be sick rapist sexual deviates in prison??????

Yes, people in this country do want to see children tried as adults and imprisoned. Perhaps not as young as we're talking here, but still children.

As for your last two questions (and man, those are some questions - the question marks prove it. Me? I'm more a fan of parenthetical asides), well, I don't know. Perhaps they'll be rapists in prison, perhaps not. Chances are, they'll be on the receiving end. I hear tell pedophiles don't do so well in the general population. Instead, what you've brought up is an issue with our prison system itself. When confined, dangerous people are still dangerous - only now they're concentrated and mixed in with less violent offenders. In that mix, who do you think's going to end up as a plaything? Ah, but that's a different topic.

We're talking about the death penalty. Personally, even as a liberal I can't see myself trusting the State that much.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

RainDog wrote:

Yes, people in this country do want to see children tried as adults and imprisoned. Perhaps not as young as we're talking here, but still children.

As for your last two questions (and man, those are some questions - the question marks prove it. Me? I'm more a fan of parenthetical asides), well, I don't know. Perhaps they'll be rapists in prison, perhaps not. Chances are, they'll be on the receiving end. I hear tell pedophiles don't do so well in the general population. Instead, what you've brought up is an issue with our prison system itself. When confined, dangerous people are still dangerous - only now they're concentrated and mixed in with less violent offenders. In that mix, who do you think's going to end up as a plaything? Ah, but that's a different topic.

We're talking about the death penalty. Personally, even as a liberal I can't see myself trusting the State that much.

but not once has anyone here mentioned the word rehabilitate.....

isnt that what prison is supposed to be about???

are these sick fucks even worth making the effort to rehabilitate????

or is that a different topic for a different day????

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

how many sexually abused people have you talked to?

and I don't think you understand the victims mentality. but since "the ones you met" dont want the death penalty for their attackers, then that shouldnt be an option?

A fare few of the people i know were abused as children most by family memebers.

Death penalty will not deter sex offenders i belive there urges are stronger than that.

What is the victims mentality, from your point of view?

Flannel Shirt

I'm with speedy all the way on this one. Bullet to the head is too easy though. Bring these fuckers out to the middle of the ocean and toss em over, with a 40 pound weight attached.

There is no such thing as justice anyway. Its really a bullshit word.

RainDog

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

but not once has anyone here mentioned the word rehabilitate.....

isnt that what prison is supposed to be about???

are these sick fucks even worth making the effort to rehabilitate????

or is that a different topic for a different day????

Life in prison is usually the counter-point to capital punishment; and life in prison pretty much rules out rehabilitation. After all, what are you going to rehab them for? More prison? And in this specific situation, I think life in prison is justified. I'm not sure these people can be rehabilitated.

I'm against the death penalty for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest for me is that it reinforces an ugly side of humanity - drooling revenge.

spiral out

Alot of those people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused themselves as children.

jlew24asu

spiral out wrote:

A fare few of the people i know were abused as children most by family memebers.

Death penalty will not deter sex offenders i belive there urges are stronger than that.

I dont know if the death penalty will deter it or not. probably not, but maybe seeing how some sex offenders get probation and continue to abuse children.

spiral out wrote:

What is the victims mentality, from your point of view?

i'm no expert but I feel the victims of sexual abuse are either fearful of their attackers and blame themselves instead of the abuser. I could be wrong though

I.m.Still.Alive

"Child molesters often feel great remorse once they realize the pain that they have caused by taking advantage of children. They realize that imposing their will on children and forcing them to do things they did not want to do was wrong. Therefore, part of the rehabilitation process, as well as any incarceration, must be therapy to help them see that molestation was not the correct way to ameliorate their stress or frustration and to find more productive and less harmful ways to cope with future stress and frustration in their lives.
Once they are once again in society, they need to have support groups made available that they can turn to in times of crisis to help them stay mindful of what they have learned. Most importantly, they need to have supportive families and friends who can help them to remain positive and to help them recognize the signs of distress in time to seek help." http://hfp.puellula.com/Polemic/WhatIs.html

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I.m.Still.Alive wrote:

"Child molesters often feel great remorse once they realize the pain that they have caused by taking advantage of children. They realize that imposing their will on children and forcing them to do things they did not want to do was wrong. Therefore, part of the rehabilitation process, as well as any incarceration, must be therapy to help them see that molestation was not the correct way to ameliorate their stress or frustration and to find more productive and less harmful ways to cope with future stress and frustration in their lives.
Once they are once again in society, they need to have support groups made available that they can turn to in times of crisis to help them stay mindful of what they have learned. Most importantly, they need to have supportive families and friends who can help them to remain positive and to help them recognize the signs of distress in time to seek help." http://hfp.puellula.com/Polemic/WhatIs.html

they need to have their kneecaps cut out........

spiral out

jlew24asu wrote:

I dont know if the death penalty will deter it or not. probably not, but maybe seeing how some sex offenders get probation and continue to abuse children.

i'm no expert but I feel the victims of sexual abuse are either fearful of their attackers and blame themselves instead of the abuser. I could be wrong though

So don't you think if these sex offenders got proper care when they were released that that would benefit society more.

I don't know how things work over there, but here the support for sex offenders is very shoddy. I think some get to go to groups and talk with therapists when there locked up, but as soon as there let out the support drops of rapidly, getting to talk to someone for an hour or two every week is not really enough to help people with these real stronge urges. so it's easy to see how they could reoffend.

What do you think about chemical castration for pedophiles? it was in the papers here last week i think. I think it would certainly help those who really want to fight there urges.

I.m.Still.Alive

Definetly, that would help them, but there are still those who view raping as a way to gain power over somebody else. And it only works for male molestors.