White Supremacist groups on the rise in U.S.

floyd1975 · February 2007

thankyougrandma wrote:

Wow!!! When advancing such thoughts, you should bring some facts and proofs... and maybe bring the stats about americans (non hispanic) crime proportion and education level compare to the hispanic population crime proportion and education level, then you'd have to take into account social situation and many other thing before being able to say such things... anyway...

Not all hispanics are illegal immigrants.

thankyougrandma · February 2007

zstillings wrote:

Not all hispanics are illegal immigrants.

the post i quote does refer to hispanic immigrants, not only illegal immigrants.

floyd1975 · February 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

Um, with the exception of unemployment, those are true. The illegal immigrant population is full of crime and lack of education.

The article tries to make out like the racists are wrong in believing that. The only difference is, their methods for action are wrong.

thankyougrandma wrote:

the post i quote does refer to hispanic immigrants, not only illegal immigrants.

Above is the part of the quote that was actually CorporateWhore's. He specifically says illegal. The original article seemed to not really care about the actual difference much like the dumbasses they are writing about.

onelongsong · February 2007

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

Illegals are allowed to participate in our public school system at all levels. Most are unable to speak English. That alone severely strains the educational system in this country. That shouldn't shock anyone.

There are over 10,000 illegals behind bars in Texas alone. To put it into perspective, there are roughly 9,700 border patrol employees total.

i can see where having to teach two different classes; one in english and one in spanish; can cripple the school system. we don't have enough schools now and having to almost double the number of schools to accomidate non-english speaking people can and does effect our schools.
but let's take a minute here. the board consists of people from all corners of the world. i've noticed some from eastern europe lately. the common denominator here is we all speak or at least understand english. in the small country of figi english is taught in the second grade. when you travel in mexico; those in the tourist industry speak english.
so why is it mexican americans seem to be the only people that don't speak english?

ThumbingMyWay32 · February 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i can see where having to teach two different classes; one in english and one in spanish; can cripple the school system. we don't have enough schools now and having to almost double the number of schools to accomidate non-english speaking people can and does effect our schools.
but let's take a minute here. the board consists of people from all corners of the world. i've noticed some from eastern europe lately. the common denominator here is we all speak or at least understand english. in the small country of figi english is taught in the second grade. when you travel in mexico; those in the tourist industry speak english.
so why is it mexican americans seem to be the only people that don't speak english?

What language people speak and where they speak it doesn't matter to me. This is America. It's my country. If you're Mexican and you wish to be a part of our society, tax system and anything else this country has to offer you through the grace of the American taxpayer, you need to learn how to communicate with us. Holding your hand out and hiding behind the Constitution every time someone says "No" is an utter crime. If other nations around the world do not wish to hold immigrants (illegals not withstanding) to the same standards, that's their choice. But other citizens, from other nations, have no business whining and complaining about Americans wanting those who wish to immigrate here, to actually make an effort to be a working piece of our society. If immigrants come here already capable of speaking English then more power to them. A welcome power I might add. But understand, there are many places in this country who are willing to hand out my tax money to people who aren't even interested in being American (and in many cases aren't).

This was a little longwinded. So yell if you need any help translating.

onelongsong · February 2007

ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:

What language people speak and where they speak it doesn't matter to me. This is America. It's my country. If you're Mexican and you wish to be a part of our society, tax system and anything else this country has to offer you through the grace of the American taxpayer, you need to learn how to communicate with us. Holding your hand out and hiding behind the Constitution every time someone says "No" is an utter crime. If other nations around the world do not wish to hold immigrants (illegals not withstanding) to the same standards, that's their choice. But other citizens, from other nations, have no business whining and complaining about Americans wanting those who wish to immigrate here, to actually make an effort to be a working piece of our society. If immigrants come here already capable of speaking English then more power to them. A welcome power I might add. But understand, there are many places in this country who are willing to hand out my tax money to people who aren't even interested in being American (and in many cases aren't).

i was agreeing with you. when my family immigrated from poland we didn't expect americans to learn polish. we learned the language of the country. that was my whole point. most countries teach english as a second language. why do mexicans expect other countries to speak spanish just for them? the international language for air traffic control is english. what is their problem?

ThumbingMyWay32 · February 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i was agreeing with you.

haha Yeah. Sometimes I read between the lines. And others I don't read at all.

onelongsong wrote:

why do mexicans expect other countries to speak spanish just for them? the international language for air traffic control is english. what is their problem?

Sadly, it seems the establishment is the entity always pushing the common citizen to learn a 2nd language. As if we must accept the hordes that cross our border each day as just a part of life we must adapt to. Not very superpowerish if you ask me.

JamMastaE · February 2007

to whoever took offence to the Al Jazeera article i posted,attacking me and calling me a skinhead(ludicrous) because of it's anti-Zionist views,read these.Jews are the biggest most out-spoken opposition to Zionism.i guess you'd know that if your were really informed enough on the issue...but i digress.
and to make things clear,i'm for love not hate.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jews_against_zionism.html

Israel is a lot like America,it has good citizens and a corrupt leadership.

http://www.barrychamish.com/

Last Exodus · February 2007

You were shut down by the mods for your offensive insinuations and remarks I would guess. If someone nudged them to do so then bravo. You'll have to troll your anti-semitism somewhere else I guess....

Last Exodus · February 2007

You were shut down by the mods for your offensive insinuations and remarks I would guess. If someone nudged them to do so then bravo. You'll have to troll your anti-jew rhetoric somewhere else I guess....: (

JamMastaE · February 2007

JamMastaE wrote:

to whoever took offence to the Al Jazeera article i posted,attacking me and calling me a skinhead(ludicrous) because of it's anti-Zionist views,read these.Jews are the biggest most out-spoken opposition to Zionism.i guess you'd know that if your were really informed enough on the issue...but i digress.
and to make things clear,i'm for love not hate.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/jews_against_zionism.html

Israel is a lot like America,it has good citizens and a corrupt leadership.

http://www.barrychamish.com/

did you bother to read this?

JamMastaE · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

You were shut down by the mods for your offensive insinuations and remarks I would guess. If someone nudged them to do so then bravo. You'll have to troll your anti-jew rhetoric somewhere else I guess....: (

dude maybe i'm jewish,ever think of that?

Last Exodus · February 2007

JamMastaE wrote:

dude maybe i'm jewish,ever think of that?

absolutely not...

Last Exodus · February 2007

A jew would never use the word Nazi and the word Jew as one. So no, you are definitely NOT a jew...

Last Exodus · February 2007

What is going on with this board? My god, now were after Mexicans? Some of you guys really sound like your talking out of your ass. Like someone from fucking Montreal knows anything about Mexicans! First of all, I happen to live in a state with a large population of hispanics. I would say no more than half are actually Mexican. We have large numbers of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, etc. Yes I know, white america, they all have darker skin and speak Spanish. But they aren't all Mexican. The vast majority of them are devoutly religious, good people. Many of their youth get caught up in the criminal justice system and find it hard to get out. That is true. But it's also true of white kids and black kids. So enough generalizing.....Every group in the world has people that find their way into trouble. Frankly, from my experience working with alot of spanish speaking immigrants, they are much harder working and far more industrious, generally, than most white folk!

Last Exodus · February 2007

onelongsong wrote:

i can see where having to teach two different classes; one in english and one in spanish; can cripple the school system. we don't have enough schools now and having to almost double the number of schools to accomidate non-english speaking people can and does effect our schools.
but let's take a minute here. the board consists of people from all corners of the world. i've noticed some from eastern europe lately. the common denominator here is we all speak or at least understand english. in the small country of figi english is taught in the second grade. when you travel in mexico; those in the tourist industry speak english.
so why is it mexican americans seem to be the only people that don't speak english?

Um it's actually Fiji. Funny to find this in a discussion of the English language. Further Fiji, or figi, as you say it, was for many years an ENGLISH colony. Thus, the English. Class dismissed.

CorporateWhore · February 2007

Last Exodus wrote:

What is going on with this board? My god, now were after Mexicans? Some of you guys really sound like your talking out of your ass. Like someone from fucking Montreal knows anything about Mexicans! First of all, I happen to live in a state with a large population of hispanics. I would say no more than half are actually Mexican. We have large numbers of Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, etc. Yes I know, white america, they all have darker skin and speak Spanish. But they aren't all Mexican. The vast majority of them are devoutly religious, good people. Many of their youth get caught up in the criminal justice system and find it hard to get out. That is true. But it's also true of white kids and black kids. So enough generalizing.....Every group in the world has people that find their way into trouble. Frankly, from my experience working with alot of spanish speaking immigrants, they are much harder working and far more industrious, generally, than most white folk!

"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

"Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs."

-amren.com

These are facts. Stop fooling yourself.

sponger · February 2007

Believing that there is something inherently "bad" about hispanics only worsens the situation. If we really cared about crime statistics, we'd be working towards improving the socio-economic inequities that lead to these types of trends.

But everytime somebody wants to start treating them as neighbors instead of as invaders, everyone is up in arms.

South of Seattle · February 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

"Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs."

-amren.com

These are facts. Stop fooling yourself.

They may be facts . . . but do they include racial profiling statistics? Let's say a black man, a mexican, & a white man are all robbing a store. Who gets off the easiest you think?

Last Exodus · February 2007

CorporateWhore wrote:

"In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens."
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

"Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs."

-amren.com

These are facts. Stop fooling yourself.

Im sure you speak from a real position of authority on Los Angeles living back there in your red state....Since I work in the criminal justice system in Los Angeles I can tell you that you are spreading some real disinformation. Yes, Los Angeles has a large, very large, hispanic community. In some areas gang life is part of the culture. But it is also present in the black AND white community. Hispanics may make up a larger % of warrants because they typically have a home country to go back to. Not so of whites or blacks. So much for that statistic. As for the other arguments you put forth, the issue is not one of language or culture, so much as it is poverty. The reality is that white kids usually have the economic resources so that they do not have to revert to crime or drugs, though many are still doing so in numbers that are totally unacceptable. Given the vast discrepancy in resources between whites and hispanics (whether legal or illegal) I think a 3-5% difference is quite astoundingly low. The vast majority of spanish speaking immigrants who were either born here or immigrated here are truly hard working people trying to make a better life. The black community also has an unacceptably high number of its youth in the criminal justice system. Now they are here legally, because they were dragged here by our white ancestors, but many are involved in gangs, drugs, etc. They speak English. So why does that community have so many young people incarcerated? Would you deport them as well? The answer is poverty...Plain and simple. It has no language or racial barriers. That is the difference.

White Supremacist groups on the rise in U.S.

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