Juno in Juneau?

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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    jhinkle1114 wrote:
    He needs them not to stay home, but he can't win by focusing on them at the expense of the moderate swing voters in places like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Nevada and all the other swing states that Bush mostly carried.

    Even more so as he's going against a great campaigner, unlike Bush who had Gore and Kerry both run horrible campaigns.

    He needed someone that could be ok with the far right (face it, most of them will vote for him just to vote against Obama anyway), but he really needed someone to appeal to swing voters fed up with 8 years of Bush. Palin isn't that person.

    No she isnt, but if he went another direction he could have further alienated the base the put Bush over the top. We will see I guess, it will be interesting to see peoples opinions of her after she becomes more well known.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    dg1979us wrote:
    I dont put much stock in those types of polls this early. Lets see where they are in a month after she has been on the campaign trail. She wasnt a well known politician before this selection, so I would say most of those polled were at least somewhat ignorant of her.

    I agree it's early, but those early polls are much more favorable than what Obama got after announcing Biden.

    That and McCain has gotten Obama's speech out of the news cycle for the most part and minimized a lot of its effect.

    It will be interesting to see where the race goes from here.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    Solat13 wrote:
    I agree it's early, but those early polls are much more favorable than what Obama got after announcing Biden.

    That and McCain has gotten Obama's speech out of the news cycle for the most part and minimized a lot of its effect.

    It will be interesting to see where the race goes from here.

    I think McCain made a good move here, and he did certainly get the attention focused back on him. IT will certainly be interesting to see where this leads, I agree. From a purely entertainment value this race is going to be very good I believe.
  • jhinkle1114
    jhinkle1114 Posts: 212
    dg1979us wrote:
    No she isnt, but if he went another direction he could have further alienated the base the put Bush over the top. We will see I guess, it will be interesting to see peoples opinions of her after she becomes more well known.

    Of course. Like I said he couldn't pick Lieberman. But someone like Romney or Pawlenty or Jindal etc. would have done him better.

    I also don't necessarily agree that the far right evangelicals etc. put Bush over the top. It takes a damn terrible Republican candidate to get them to stay home. As much as they may not like the Rep, they're still going to vote just to vote against the Democrat.

    Bush one by getting enough of the working class, moderate swing votes, Hispanics in Florida etc. to carry the swing states he needed to eek out victories.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    jhinkle1114 wrote:
    Of course. Like I said he couldn't pick Lieberman. But someone like Romney or Pawlenty or Jindal etc. would have done him better.

    I also don't necessarily agree that the far right evangelicals etc. put Bush over the top. It takes a damn terrible Republican candidate to get them to stay home. As much as they may not like the Rep, they're still going to vote just to vote against the Democrat.

    Bush one by getting enough of the working class, moderate swing votes, Hispanics in Florida etc. to carry the swing states he needed to eek out victories.

    Well sure, you certainly cant rely simply on the evangelical vote. But McCain was not a popular choice in many of those circles, and I do think he needed to ensure he got those voters out. McCain himself has a chance at the moderate swing voters, and Palin ensures the far right crowd. I think this might have been the best pick he could have made, obviously depending on how she does on the campaign trail.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    jhinkle1114 wrote:
    Of course. Like I said he couldn't pick Lieberman. But someone like Romney or Pawlenty or Jindal etc. would have done him better.

    I have to disagree with you on that for now. I mean if he took Romney or Pawlenty no one would have cared a few hours later. The Obama speech would have dominated the news cycle all weekend.

    Now, further down the road you may be right, but as of right now, this pick of Palin was a very good one for McCain.
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  • jhinkle1114
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    dg1979us wrote:
    Well sure, you certainly cant rely simply on the evangelical vote. But McCain was not a popular choice in many of those circles, and I do think he needed to ensure he got those voters out.

    I guess where we disagree is that I think the vast majority of the evangelical's would have came out to vote against Obama anyway, so I don't think he really needed that support.

    And I don't think McCain will do very well among swing voters, people are too fed up after 8 years of Bush to want more of the same.
    Solat13 wrote:
    Now, further down the road you may be right, but as of right now, this pick of Palin was a very good one for McCain.

    I'm talking further down the road, at where people stand on November 4th after the next couple months of campaigning, debates etc. Immediate impression matters next to nothing in the long term.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    jhinkle1114 wrote:

    And I don't think McCain will do very well among swing voters, people are too fed up after 8 years of Bush to want more of the same.


    I agree with that, and I dont think he wins. But Im not sure a Romney type selection would have helped with that. I think he had to go with the wildcard selection and just see how it plays out. I dont think a predictable ticket would have helped him much, where as this at least has a chance of helping him.
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    NeilJam wrote:
    It's not just a "few photographs." This is also based on Gov Palin traveling for nearly half a day from Texas to a hospital near the small town she was governor of in Alaska to have have the baby. All this traveling was done after her water broke. I can understand she may have wanted to have the baby at the hospital of her choice, but that's going overboard.

    There must also be some paperwork (not pictures) that shows her daughter was out of school during the time her mother (or she) was pregnant.

    It appears they do have some trail on her daughter Bristol from the article....
    Checking with the Anchorage High School that Bristol Palin attended, reporters were given word that her family had taken Bristol out of school due to contracting infectious mononucleosis. The amount of time Bristol was absent shifts from five to eight months.

    Mono can last anywhere from two weeks to three months, but an eight month infection is a freak oddity. Yet it remains a common excuse given by girls in private & Catholic schools around the nation when pregnancy comes into play. Not the first time, not the last time.


    My question why would governor Palin feeel the need to hide this pregancy of her daughter? Maybe it's family member that's the father but in either casr gettin to the bottom of this shouldn't be too difficult.

    Let's see if any major news agency picks up the story.

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  • Collin
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    I'd hate to be a politician.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    you know, dragging a poor 16 year old girl through the mud cuz of her mom is a politician is some sleezy fucking shit. at least have the decency not to post her pictures or face in the story.

    the more i think about it the more it pisses me off. the democrats might be wise not to push this.
  • Model Roll Model
    Model Roll Model Posts: 215
    MrSmith wrote:

    who gives a shit really?

    the same people that give a shit about a cigar! ;)
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    Model~Roll Model wrote:
    the same people that give a shit about a cigar! ;)
    yeah but that blew up in their face too.
  • jhinkle1114
    jhinkle1114 Posts: 212
    dg1979us wrote:
    I dont think a predictable ticket would have helped him much, where as this at least has a chance of helping him.

    We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

    I think this hurt his already slim chances. A surprise pick would have been better than a predictable one. But he needed someone more moderate as those swing voters will determine the election, not how many evangelicals stay home. Again, most of them will show up regardless just to vote against Obama.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Even if this were true, which the outright lies in the DailyKos would not indicate, it would be admirable for Palin to adopt the child.
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  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    If the story of her fifth childs birth are true, and it is her child, just the decisions she made no not have the child in Texas, and go through such elaborate measures to get back to Alaska are troublesome. She put the child at risk unnecessarily.
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  • NakedClown
    NakedClown Posts: 545
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Even if this were true, which the outright lies in the DailyKos would not indicate, it would be admirable for Palin to adopt the child.

    Not if she felt the need to lie about it. That shows shame, deception, etc.
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    This is hilarious but sad. This, if true, will be hilarious to watch. Very sad that the biggest office in the land has come to being run by fucking idiots like these assholes.
  • Taft
    Taft Posts: 457
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Even if this were true, which the outright lies in the DailyKos would not indicate, it would be admirable for Palin to adopt the child.

    Are you serious? If its true it would be a nightmare...

    Among other things, she would be defrauding the IRS, and her insurance company. It would be a criminal offense.
  • Taft
    Taft Posts: 457
    g under p wrote:
    It appears they do have some trail on her daughter Bristol from the article....

    My question why would governor Palin feeel the need to hide this pregancy of her daughter? Maybe it's family member that's the father but in either casr gettin to the bottom of this shouldn't be too difficult.

    Let's see if any major news agency picks up the story.

    Peace

    She would lose any and all votes from hardcore conservatives if her 17 year old daughter had a child out of wedlock. That is the reason to cover it up.

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