Eddie, VH1, and Conservatives

reborncareerist wrote:

Obviously his (or her) comment ticked you off, but you didn't respond to the substance of it at all. I think he's onto something, actually. Would Ed even mention politics if everything (in his mind) was perfect? Would anyone, for that matter?

I'm perfect and I mention politics.

When did Ed take away anyone's free speech? When did he say "fuck the fan's rights"? Who here honestly thinks that the lead singer of Pearl Jam is Josef Stalin?

I really would like to have someone point out when all that happened.

As for the other band members, they all played the Vote for Change tour - and, if I'm not mistaken, they all donated to candidates running against Bush. I guess the differences are in which lefty candidate each sent his money to.

Also, politics may have been the main reason the band decided to play Storytellers. When was the last time they played a concert on music television (note the lowercase "m" and "t")? When was the last time they released a video? It's entirely possible that their distaste with the current direction of our country played a major part in their recent "friendliness" with major media.

Though I do think it's funny to see people write "well, maybe Mike's a conservative." Maybe compared to Ed; but, then, compared to Ed, so am I.

PaperPlates wrote:

I didnt say it was my right to have any of those things. Show me where I wrote that. It IS my right to be disappointed. Take off your blinders man. I didnt "log on and whine". I didnt create the thread. Cincy did. He asked for opinions. I gave mine. Dont like it? F- you.

I know you and I do not agree politically...but you are getting a little unfair treatment in this thread...its kinda of a reverse from what I have been reading lately. I have seen some Cons bitching about Ed...okay they can...I have seen Libs bitching about Cons for bitching...but all you are saying is that a more rounded story orientated show is what you wanted to see....you know Ed is political and where he stands so that is not news to yourself...I kinda of feel bad for you in this thread...getting beat up for being disappointed...I see your point kinda of...you mentioned Unplugged with Nirvana..instead of being a great concent which it was...we could have had Kurt bitch about his life for the whole show....all paperplates is saying is that Ed could have put it away for one night and talk about the music...he is not saying that Ed's politics pissed him off cause it isn't news to him where Ed stands....for me I enjoy Ed's views, regardless where he says it...but at the same time I have to be fair to the other side and I completly see your point...some here however don't (or choose to argue) which is too bad...once again getting broke down into left/right and I hate you mentality....people are blowing up your statements....

reborncareerist wrote:

Obviously his (or her) comment ticked you off, but you didn't respond to the substance of it at all. I think he's onto something, actually. Would Ed even mention politics if everything (in his mind) was perfect? Would anyone, for that matter?

I'm not entirely sure about what the substance of the post was, other than him/her being so bunched up about Ed/liberals on this board being huge facists or something.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I know you and I do not agree politically...but you are getting a little unfair treatment in this thread...its kinda of a reverse from what I have been reading lately. I have seen some Cons bitching about Ed...okay they can...I have seen Libs bitching about Cons for bitching...but all you are saying is that a more rounded story orientated show is what you wanted to see....you know Ed is political and where he stands so that is not news to yourself...I kinda of feel bad for you in this thread...getting beat up for being disappointed...I see your point kinda of...you mentioned Unplugged with Nirvana..instead of being a great concent which it was...we could have had Kurt bitch about his life for the whole show....all paperplates is saying is that Ed could have put it away for one night and talk about the music...he is not saying that Ed's politics pissed him off cause it isn't news to him where Ed stands....for me I enjoy Ed's views, regardless where he says it...but at the same time I have to be fair to the other side and I completly see your point...some here however don't (or choose to argue) which is too bad...once again getting broke down into left/right and I hate you mentality....

THank you for that.

Maybe liberalism really is a disease.

That IS all I've tried to say. You said it better than me.

Maybe some of them here are the starry-eyed dipshits sitting front row hanging on Ed's every word.

If you dare disagree with ed, they stop reading beyond that point and immediatley jump down your throat here.

Most of the "lefties" here are about as open-minded as "fuck em" is.

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

liberals on this board being huge facists or something.

But that's how some of them sound! Seriously ... You can't see the rigid thought patterns in a lot of the far-far-left posts on here?

RainDog wrote:

Though I do think it's funny to see people write "well, maybe Mike's a conservative." Maybe compared to Ed; but, then, compared to Ed, so am I.

Nobody wrote that, though, so its all good.

reborncareerist wrote:

I think my honest to gosh biggest beef with extreme liberals is this facade of open-mindedness or free thinking that they espouse. Its a crock of shit. They are every bit as illogical and close-minded as their counterparts on the other end of the spectrum. Of course everything is America's fault. Of course terrorism is a false threat. Of course everything the West does is racist and imperialistic. Why aren't you getting the TRUTH?!

Not saying that Ed Vedder is one of these people, by the way. Just taking an opportunity to point out how similar "radicals" on opposite ends of the political spectrum start to sound. Everything blends together, the farther you go. Why do so many people forsake a middle path?

This is something that dawned on me lately (the middle path needs people people)...you can be Liberal and still hold other principles...I am sick of this freaking idealogy mind set where these are qualifications for being Lib/Con

Liberal: Must be pro-choice, anti-gun, Kyoto supporting, public everything, i hate war,gay marriage supporter, against capital punishment...blah blah blah

Conservative: pro-life, gun toting, Kyoto hating, no government, war mongering, i hate gays, pro capital punishment blah blah blah

Why the hell in the last few years certain aspects of poliical discussion have suddently been prerequistes for being a certain brand...todays culture has someqhat branded what it means to be Liberal or Conservative...sorry people but you really can be pro-choice, dual heathcare supportive, gay supporter, need something better than Kyoto, gun toting indivdual...sick of generalizations I guess....where has the middle gone????

This "branding" is seriously hurting us as a culture cause we cannot accomplish anything cause we have segagrated ourselves in these mindsets....we need more orginiality out there....

VictoryGin wrote:

Is this the first thread on this subject that you've seen?

The first one in a while ... Why, was there a spate of "Mike Is Clearly A Republican" posts that I missed? I said that he sounds more moderate than Ed, and someone else said that he probably cares less about politics and more about being a rock star ... I've never read anything suggesting that he attends pro-life rallies and goes deer hunting with the Nuge.

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

This is something that dawned on me lately (the middle path needs people people)...you can be Liberal and still hold other principles...I am sick of this freaking idealogy mind set where these are qualifications for being Lib/Con

Liberal: Must be pro-choice, anti-gun, Kyoto supporting, public everything, i hate war,gay marriage supporter, against capital punishment...blah blah blah

Conservative: pro-life, gun toting, Kyoto hating, no government, war mongering, i hate gays, pro capital punishment blah blah blah

Why the hell in the last few years certain aspects of poliical discussion have suddently been prerequistes for being a certain brand...todays culture has someqhat branded what it means to be Liberal or Conservative...sorry people but you really can be pro-choice, dual heathcare supportive, gay supporter, need something better than Kyoto, gun toting indivdual...sick of generalizations I guess....where has the middle gone????

This "branding" is seriously hurting us as a culture cause we cannot accomplish anything cause we have segagrated ourselves in these mindsets....we need more orginiality out there....

Good post, man ... I don't know what it is, but everything is totally polarized nowadays. Cons and Libs, you're either for us or against us. You hear it in Bush's pro-war rhetoric, and you hear it from the very folks who hate Bush for his pro-war rhetoric. Dialogue is dead, and its a damn shame.