Fire brought down WTC 7

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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    dunkman wrote:
    thats supposition and isnt based on any fact whatsoever.

    its just your opinion :)

    absolutely
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Anyone else notice the media just finished parading around a bigfoot story prior to releasing NIST's "final explanation" on WTC7?

    Thermal expansion? It was a *perfectly* uniform collapse.... the building remained pristine on the outside...think about it.

    Maybe it will be another 7 years before they come out with another lame lightbulb excuse that holds no water.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    polaris wrote:
    ok ... i'll just post to both of you guys ...

    you were in vietnam on the guise that communism would destroy america if it was allowed to spread ... again - an agent of fear ...

    and the purpose of iraq was not regime change ... it is war profiteering ... what was the last country the US invaded and occupied openly? ... to this day no one talks about panama ...

    this was about a full on war that would result in huge engineering contracts and private military contracts and the building of huge military bases for future operations n the middle east ...

    my apologies to OP for derailing this thread

    I certainly agree that Bush took advantage of 9/11, and I certainly agree it was about profiteering. That isnt the debate we are having, we agree on that.

    The debate we are having is that Bush didnt need to kill 3000 American's to drum up public support for the war. We have used propoganda before, and Im sure would have no problems using it again. And again, Iraq was primarily sold to the public with regards to WMDs and Saddam being a madman, not 9/11.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    dg1979us wrote:
    I certainly agree that Bush took advantage of 9/11, and I certainly agree it was about profiteering. That isnt the debate we are having, we agree on that.

    The debate we are having is that Bush didnt need to kill 3000 American's to drum up public support for the war. We have used propoganda before, and Im sure would have no problems using it again. And again, Iraq was primarily sold to the public with regards to WMDs and Saddam being a madmen, not 9/11.

    so what if saddam had WMDs? ... i don't believe that was enough to take the country to war - but with 9/11, people saw the potential devastation ... plus, there is more to it as well ... there is the patriot act, there is the wiretapping, there is a bunch of other things that have been spurred by the events of 9/11

    and with that ... i must say that i am off for the day ...

    i believe we have an understanding - we just disagree ... which is fine ...
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I agree with you but would further add that the climate after 9-11 was a way to allegedly "re-think" how we view foreign rogue nations like Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc. But with that stated, we didn't need 9-11 to invade Iraq and occupay Iraq. The simple fact of how easily swung the media and the nation became over the false ties between Iraq and Al Queda is reason enough to believe that the public will fall for anything if given the opportunity.
    dg1979us wrote:
    I certainly agree that Bush took advantage of 9/11, and I certainly agree it was about profiteering. That isnt the debate we are having, we agree on that.

    The debate we are having is that Bush didnt need to kill 3000 American's to drum up public support for the war. We have used propoganda before, and Im sure would have no problems using it again. And again, Iraq was primarily sold to the public with regards to WMDs and Saddam being a madman, not 9/11.
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  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    polaris wrote:
    so what if saddam had WMDs? ... i don't believe that was enough to take the country to war - but with 9/11, people saw the potential devastation ... plus, there is more to it as well ... there is the patriot act, there is the wiretapping, there is a bunch of other things that have been spurred by the events of 9/11

    and with that ... i must say that i am off for the day ...

    i believe we have an understanding - we just disagree ... which is fine ...

    Large parts of the Patriot Act were actually adopted from measures that were written under the Clinton administration following the Ok. City bombing. the wiretapping I agree with you on, there is no question this administration is corrupt. But I do believe that is more taking advantage of a situation, not causing the situation. I believe we would be in Iraq whether 9.11 happened or not. We wouldnt be in Afghanistan IMO, but that war is obviously the secondary war to Iraq.
  • dg1979us
    dg1979us Posts: 568
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I agree with you but would further add that the climate after 9-11 was a way to allegedly "re-think" how we view foreign rogue nations like Iraq, Iran, North Korea, etc. But with that stated, we didn't need 9-11 to invade Iraq and occupay Iraq. The simple fact of how easily swung the media and the nation became over the false ties between Iraq and Al Queda is reason enough to believe that the public will fall for anything if given the opportunity.

    I agree. The environment was there for them to take advantage of, there is no question about that. But taking advantage of, and causing, are not the same thing and there is little doubt in my mind that they could have sold the public other reasons to gain support for going into Iraq.
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Maybe it will be another 7 years before they come out with another lame lightbulb excuse that holds no water.

    They don't need to, people think this one makes perfect sense already.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    spiral out wrote:
    They don't need to, people think this one makes perfect sense already.

    yup we're all just sheep being spoon fed. mmmmm tastes good. what about this report doesnt make sense to you? assuming you even bothered to look into it
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    spyguy wrote:
    yup we're all just sheep being spoon fed. mmmmm tastes good. what about this report doesnt make sense to you? assuming you even bothered to look into it

    All they have said is "yup....it was fire...thermal expansion caused it".

    Amazing how all the glass windows were impervious to all this "thermal expansion" going on yet the entire steel frame of the building wasn't.

    Whatever they used to make the windows, they should have used on the entire building apparently.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    In any event....keep an eye out next time they release a UFO or bigfoot sighting, or celebrity scandal, in the media and watch what very closely what follows afterwards.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    In any event....keep an eye out next time they release a UFO or bigfoot sighting, or celebrity scandal, in the media and watch what very closely what follows afterwards.

    you think the bigfoot press conference was staged or is somehow linked to this report being released?


    (has anyone found the full report btw?)
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Anyone else notice the media just finished parading around a bigfoot story prior to releasing NIST's "final explanation" on WTC7?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsequitur
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  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,825
    polaris wrote:
    what i find interesting in these threads is the constant shots "truthers" have to take ...

    i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...

    yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...

    i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...

    I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...

    Exactly. The whole thing needs to be investigated.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    spyguy wrote:
    you think the bigfoot press conference was staged or is somehow linked to this report being released?


    (has anyone found the full report btw?)

    Very little if anything political happens merely by accident..

    timing is everything, because they haven't really said anything new here except yup....fire caused it.

    So no cracked and shattering windows with all this thermal expansion.....

    remarkable...one could say unbelievable...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    BinFrog wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonsequitur


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

    Fox news is your friend. The media never lies or manipulates public opinion (of course).

    read up on the CFR sometime...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Very little if anything political happens merely by accident..

    timing is everything, because they haven't really said anything new here except yup....fire caused it.

    So no cracked and shattering windows with all this thermal expansion.....

    remarkable...one could say unbelievable...


    So you mean ASIDE from all of the windows that WERE seen shattering?
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  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Very little if anything political happens merely by accident..

    timing is everything, because they haven't really said anything new here except yup....fire caused it.

    So no cracked and shattering windows with all this thermal expansion.....

    remarkable...one could say unbelievable...

    there is more to it than that. the link I posted said this..

    "The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure"

    I think you need to reserve your doubts until you read all 77 pages.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    BinFrog wrote:
    So you mean ASIDE from all of the windows that WERE seen shattering?


    really for building #7 show me them.

    I saw a shiny windowed building coming straight down.

    what did you see?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion

    Fox news is your friend. The media never lies or manipulates public opinion (of course).

    read up on the CFR sometime...


    Fox News is my friend? Ah, now your altered reality starts to make some sense to me. Thanks for clearning that up.
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