what i find interesting in these threads is the constant shots "truthers" have to take ...
i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...
yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...
i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...
I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...
what i find interesting in these threads is the constant shots "truthers" have to take ...
i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...
yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...
i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...
I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...
Well the problem with truthers is they usually take it too far. and almost always think they are 100% right. and are far too extreme in their approach, aka Alex douchebag Jones. open discussions need to happen and these reports need to be questioned, but the approach needs to be changed.
Well the problem with truthers is they usually take it too far. and almost always think they are 100% right. and are far too extreme in their approach, aka Alex douchebag Jones. open discussions need to happen and these reports need to be questioned, but the approach needs to be changed.
"douchebags" come in many forms ... the important thing is the message ... all i know is that the "truthers" are the ones who post links and points moreso then the "others" ...
As I previously stated, there are plenty of things that aren't easily explained or don't add up, but with tha said, these "truthers" fill in the unknowns with hearsay and half-truthes. If you breakdown the facts of the who, when, what, where, why and how of 9-11, the truthers have a loose string of unknown items that are given meaning and detail by their own admission... things like "pull it" which could relate to many, many things is adjusted to mean demolition because it fits their mold. They fill in the missing pieces with unknowns cause its the only thing they can use to somehow make their opinion have merit and legitimacy, but in reality, there's no such proof, just a loose string of unknowns. People love to talk about science and burning points of steel, etc.. but ignore that such things are possible because this isn't a generic example of merely lighting a fire under beam...there's tons of things that factor into the equation. My main point is these truthers see a puddle and call it an ocean... that's not realistic or logical. To make such accusations simply does not go hand in hand with the specific facts and details and aren't proven by any means other than their own opinions filling in missing pieces of what occured, which is why it's a conspiracy theory compared to specific fact or reality.
what i find interesting in these threads is the constant shots "truthers" have to take ...
i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...
yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...
i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...
I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
You maybe correct in that they post links and whatnot, but that certainly doesn't mean anything. The content and facts are whats important... anyone can make a video and put it on youtube or write a blog... doesn't make it legit.
"douchebags" come in many forms ... the important thing is the message ... all i know is that the "truthers" are the ones who post links and points moreso then the "others" ...
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
what i find interesting in these threads is the constant shots "truthers" have to take ...
i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...
yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...
i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...
I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...
agreed
I am not a conspiracy theorist or "truther", but for those mocking all the truthers, do you honestly believe the 9/11 commission, even though many on the commission, think it was a joke.??
Do you believe the gov is telling us everything and on the up and up.
I think there are waaaaayyyy too many unanswered questions.
Two massive planes hit buildings in N.Y. Flew into them!!!? Seriously? What more do you need? I'm surprised more buildings didn't come down.
Stop with the logic and common sense already....most people around here can't take it....Being a career firefighter and medic for over 20 years I would offer an explanation similiar to the firefighter that posted on the first page...but most people can't handle the truth....
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um its a blog. scientific proof at its finest right
The actual information it points to however...
blog...webpage...scribbled on a piece of papyrus...the general concensus on the questions raised does not change along the spectrum because of how they are written.
hating the player over the game perhaps...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think there are waaaaayyyy too many unanswered questions.
give me 38 of them.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
yeah, his pots melt every time he cooks? thats a pain in the arse isnt it...
i suggest he stops using plastic pots.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
if you tell 20 people the sky is green and the grass is blue at least 2 of them will bleieve you and then turn around and convince 2 of their friends and so on...pretty soon our world is turned upside down...it's almost not worth arguing about...people will believe in what they want to...bigfoot, unicorns, wtc conspiracy, etc.....
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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It's a kerosene stove.... apparently kerosene liquefies steel for all the official story believers...
simply amazing...
They need to invent a stronger steel so I can use a frying pan again ...
I may starve if this steel melting into liquid with a bit of fire thing keeps up.
How does everyone else manage to not melt all their cookware?
I wonder....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
yeah, his pots melt every time he cooks? thats a pain in the arse isnt it...
i suggest he stops using plastic pots.
Well you know the official story claims that open air kerosene fires liquified steel...
And you don't even blink about it?
hmm
ok
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
polaris, its condescending shit like this that I'm talking about
and it's simple things like this that manage to elude people that get me as well...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's a kerosene stove.... apparently kerosene liquefies steel for all the official story believers...
well unless the building contained nothing else but air then what about the added fuel content? kerosene wasnt the only thing burning... computers, plastics, furniture, tons of paper, cardboard, gas pipes, etc etc etc
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
well unless the building contained nothing else but air then what about the added fuel content? kerosene wasnt the only thing burning... computers, plastics, furniture, tons of paper, cardboard, gas pips, etc etc etc
Those combustibles are still not hot enough to liquefy steel in my understanding. First NIST flatly denied any existence of it, and they still haven't addressed it to my understanding.
If they had a reasonable explanation for it, I would be more inclined to think they have done a proper investigation.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
As I stated previously, there are unknowns and things unreported... but you and others fill in the missing pieces with your own answers and call it fact. There's zero proof of bombs, explosives, demolition or government involvement in taking the towers down. It's all a conspiracy of loosely pieced together unknowns, coincidences and things taken out of context.... but continue believing, it makes life more interesting because it only adds to chaos and disorder.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
There are several firemen that reported seeing flowing liquid steel...."like lava" As well there is proof of it in that they found huge chunks of melted steel which is referred to as the WTC "meteorites"
I'm not talking collapse...I just want to know how fire melts steel into pools of liquid at any point in the process.....and keeps it hot for so long (months) afterwards.
If NIST tomorrow said...oh that's simple...here...it would be another story.
I think they should personally.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
As I previously stated, there are plenty of things that aren't easily explained or don't add up, but with tha said, these "truthers" fill in the unknowns with hearsay and half-truthes. If you breakdown the facts of the who, when, what, where, why and how of 9-11, the truthers have a loose string of unknown items that are given meaning and detail by their own admission... things like "pull it" which could relate to many, many things is adjusted to mean demolition because it fits their mold. They fill in the missing pieces with unknowns cause its the only thing they can use to somehow make their opinion have merit and legitimacy, but in reality, there's no such proof, just a loose string of unknowns. People love to talk about science and burning points of steel, etc.. but ignore that such things are possible because this isn't a generic example of merely lighting a fire under beam...there's tons of things that factor into the equation. My main point is these truthers see a puddle and call it an ocean... that's not realistic or logical. To make such accusations simply does not go hand in hand with the specific facts and details and aren't proven by any means other than their own opinions filling in missing pieces of what occured, which is why it's a conspiracy theory compared to specific fact or reality.
the key here is "realistic and logical" ... your perceptions are different than others ...
a prime example is the term "pull it" ... yes, it can mean a myriad of things but is it a stretch to assume under the context that it was a demolishing term? ... i don't think so - but if you don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job - you're gonna go with something else ...
in any case - forget about steel columns, firefighter testimony, insurance polices ... this event spurned on the greatest sequence of war-profiteering i've known at a time when the country was led by admitted neoconservatives with ties to all these profiting industries ... the 9/11 report is nowhere close to being adequate in terms of detailing the event ... combine that with the fact we know this administration LIED to take the US to war with Iraq and what would seem unfathomable is at the very least a possibility ...
too many coincidences and too many things that have to be categorized as "no way they would do that" for there not to be more revealed ..
There are several firemen that reported seeing flowing liquid steel...."like lava" As well there is proof of it in that they found huge chunks of melted steel which is referred to as the WTC "meteorites"
I'm not talking collapse...I just want to know how fire melts steel into pools of liquid at any point in the process.....and keeps it hot for so long (months) afterwards.
If NIST tomorrow said...oh that's simple...here...it would be another story.
I think they should personally.
I'm not a huge fan of these websites but I found this to be an interesting read awhile back and was able to find it again. whats your take on it?
Those combustibles are still not hot enough to liquefy steel in my understanding. First NIST flatly denied any existence of it, and they still haven't addressed it to my understanding.
your understanding... so your a steel specialist these days? i dont trust your expertise considering your kitchen utensils seem to melt at every cooking opportunity.
If they had a reasonable explanation for it, I would be more inclined to think they have done a proper investigation.
define reasonable? what other explanation have you got... for every truth there is a debunk... for every alternate theory there is a debunk of that... its never ending.
i bet Osama is fucked off with this... he organises his greatest ever terrorist assault and then the infidels he's just attacked think its their own government?!?!? what's a terrorist to do these days?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
As I stated previously, I do believe there are plenty of unknowns and we do deserve to find out more... but with that said, it's a far leap to take that and spin it into the notion that the government carried it out. It's calling a puddle an ocean.
Also, and as more of a side note, even if someone did believe the government pulled an inside job, do you honestly have that much confidence in our government to do it successfully and nothing spur from it thereafter (leaks, people speaking out afterwards)? Our government screws anything and everything up, but somehow they pull something like this off to a tee? I find that harder to believe than anything else.
the key here is "realistic and logical" ... your perceptions are different than others ...
a prime example is the term "pull it" ... yes, it can mean a myriad of things but is it a stretch to assume under the context that it was a demolishing term? ... i don't think so - but if you don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job - you're gonna go with something else ...
in any case - forget about steel columns, firefighter testimony, insurance polices ... this event spurned on the greatest sequence of war-profiteering i've known at a time when the country was led by admitted neoconservatives with ties to all these profiting industries ... the 9/11 report is nowhere close to being adequate in terms of detailing the event ... combine that with the fact we know this administration LIED to take the US to war with Iraq and what would seem unfathomable is at the very least a possibility ...
too many coincidences and too many things that have to be categorized as "no way they would do that" for there not to be more revealed ..
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It's presents a seemingly impressive scientific analysis of what they think happened.
then they summarize with
"To finish, none of these stories prove there was molten (as in liquid) steel at the WTC. There's no evidence temperatures were hot enough to produce that (whatever the energy source), and some of the stories claiming "molten steel" have built-in implausibilities. There was certainly glowing metal, but this only indicates temperatures within the range of a fire."
nobody can look at those things and say steel didn't melt...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the key here is "realistic and logical" ... your perceptions are different than others ...
a prime example is the term "pull it" ... yes, it can mean a myriad of things but is it a stretch to assume under the context that it was a demolishing term? ... i don't think so - but if you don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job - you're gonna go with something else ...
in any case - forget about steel columns, firefighter testimony, insurance polices ... this event spurned on the greatest sequence of war-profiteering i've known at a time when the country was led by admitted neoconservatives with ties to all these profiting industries ... the 9/11 report is nowhere close to being adequate in terms of detailing the event ... combine that with the fact we know this administration LIED to take the US to war with Iraq and what would seem unfathomable is at the very least a possibility ...
too many coincidences and too many things that have to be categorized as "no way they would do that" for there not to be more revealed ..
People have taken advantage of terrible situations throughout history, that is nothing new. Secondly, 9/11 was not the primary reason, if at all, used to sell the public we needed to go into Iraq. The Bush administration did not need 9/11 to sell the public that Saddam was a threat due to his WMDs.
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oh dunk you silly scotsman. you know vaders dead. and besides he lived in a galaxy far far away.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
um its a blog. scientific proof at its finest right
i know FOR A FACT that no one on this board can say for certain that the official story of 9/11 is 100% accurate nor can they tell me for certain that the towers and building 7 fell by the reasons given ... NO ONE ...
yet - open discussion (which is what this forum is about) is made to be a farce by people who's only true foundation is that "they can't believe someone would do something like this" ...
i'm sure the antagonism is a two-way street but for the people who come in and post nothing but "tin foil" hat comments - you serve no purpose other than to antagonize ...
I am a rational person and I cannot for the life of me believe everything is what they say for a myriad of reasons that have been posted in these threads time and again ... i know a lot of people who are by no means looking for a conspiracy who think the whole story is fishy ... we're not talking about whether elvis is dead here ... we're talking about the an event that has precipitated the invasion and occupation of 2 sovereign countries resulting in mass death and suffering ...
Well the problem with truthers is they usually take it too far. and almost always think they are 100% right. and are far too extreme in their approach, aka Alex douchebag Jones. open discussions need to happen and these reports need to be questioned, but the approach needs to be changed.
"douchebags" come in many forms ... the important thing is the message ... all i know is that the "truthers" are the ones who post links and points moreso then the "others" ...
I'd love to see your 1000+ degree stove.
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
agreed
I am not a conspiracy theorist or "truther", but for those mocking all the truthers, do you honestly believe the 9/11 commission, even though many on the commission, think it was a joke.??
Do you believe the gov is telling us everything and on the up and up.
I think there are waaaaayyyy too many unanswered questions.
Stop with the logic and common sense already....most people around here can't take it....Being a career firefighter and medic for over 20 years I would offer an explanation similiar to the firefighter that posted on the first page...but most people can't handle the truth....
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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The actual information it points to however...
blog...webpage...scribbled on a piece of papyrus...the general concensus on the questions raised does not change along the spectrum because of how they are written.
hating the player over the game perhaps...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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give me 38 of them.
yeah, his pots melt every time he cooks? thats a pain in the arse isnt it...
i suggest he stops using plastic pots.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
It's rather incredible....
It's a kerosene stove.... apparently kerosene liquefies steel for all the official story believers...
simply amazing...
They need to invent a stronger steel so I can use a frying pan again ...
I may starve if this steel melting into liquid with a bit of fire thing keeps up.
How does everyone else manage to not melt all their cookware?
I wonder....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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polaris, its condescending shit like this that I'm talking about
Well you know the official story claims that open air kerosene fires liquified steel...
And you don't even blink about it?
hmm
ok
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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and it's simple things like this that manage to elude people that get me as well...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
well unless the building contained nothing else but air then what about the added fuel content? kerosene wasnt the only thing burning... computers, plastics, furniture, tons of paper, cardboard, gas pipes, etc etc etc
i just read the official report
"In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires."
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
number 7
Those combustibles are still not hot enough to liquefy steel in my understanding. First NIST flatly denied any existence of it, and they still haven't addressed it to my understanding.
If they had a reasonable explanation for it, I would be more inclined to think they have done a proper investigation.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
this is what I thought as well. thats for clarifying.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
There are several firemen that reported seeing flowing liquid steel...."like lava" As well there is proof of it in that they found huge chunks of melted steel which is referred to as the WTC "meteorites"
I'm not talking collapse...I just want to know how fire melts steel into pools of liquid at any point in the process.....and keeps it hot for so long (months) afterwards.
If NIST tomorrow said...oh that's simple...here...it would be another story.
I think they should personally.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
the key here is "realistic and logical" ... your perceptions are different than others ...
a prime example is the term "pull it" ... yes, it can mean a myriad of things but is it a stretch to assume under the context that it was a demolishing term? ... i don't think so - but if you don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job - you're gonna go with something else ...
in any case - forget about steel columns, firefighter testimony, insurance polices ... this event spurned on the greatest sequence of war-profiteering i've known at a time when the country was led by admitted neoconservatives with ties to all these profiting industries ... the 9/11 report is nowhere close to being adequate in terms of detailing the event ... combine that with the fact we know this administration LIED to take the US to war with Iraq and what would seem unfathomable is at the very least a possibility ...
too many coincidences and too many things that have to be categorized as "no way they would do that" for there not to be more revealed ..
I'm not a huge fan of these websites but I found this to be an interesting read awhile back and was able to find it again. whats your take on it?
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
your understanding... so your a steel specialist these days? i dont trust your expertise considering your kitchen utensils seem to melt at every cooking opportunity.
define reasonable? what other explanation have you got... for every truth there is a debunk... for every alternate theory there is a debunk of that... its never ending.
i bet Osama is fucked off with this... he organises his greatest ever terrorist assault and then the infidels he's just attacked think its their own government?!?!? what's a terrorist to do these days?
Also, and as more of a side note, even if someone did believe the government pulled an inside job, do you honestly have that much confidence in our government to do it successfully and nothing spur from it thereafter (leaks, people speaking out afterwards)? Our government screws anything and everything up, but somehow they pull something like this off to a tee? I find that harder to believe than anything else.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
It's presents a seemingly impressive scientific analysis of what they think happened.
then they summarize with
"To finish, none of these stories prove there was molten (as in liquid) steel at the WTC. There's no evidence temperatures were hot enough to produce that (whatever the energy source), and some of the stories claiming "molten steel" have built-in implausibilities. There was certainly glowing metal, but this only indicates temperatures within the range of a fire."
And the answer to that is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbkl81qwEMA
nobody can look at those things and say steel didn't melt...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
People have taken advantage of terrible situations throughout history, that is nothing new. Secondly, 9/11 was not the primary reason, if at all, used to sell the public we needed to go into Iraq. The Bush administration did not need 9/11 to sell the public that Saddam was a threat due to his WMDs.