It poses a convincing argument. It's worth mentioning on the computer simulation thing that they originally had to crank the data so much at first just to get a collapse result it bordered on obscene, and even then they excluded the core columns.
It looks good no doubt. It's a good looking and convincing computer animation. I dare say they could make anything look convincing on a computer screen.
What of the people coming up out of the basements all blown up with their skin hanging off after hearing and feeling explosions coming from below ground? That's something I haven't been able to explain away yet.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It poses a convincing argument. It's worth mentioning on the computer simulation thing that they originally had to crank the data so much at first just to get a collapse result it bordered on obscene, and even then they excluded the core columns.
It looks good no doubt. It's a good looking and convincing computer animation. I dare say they could make anything look convincing on a computer screen.
What of the people coming up out of the basements all blown up with their skin hanging off after hearing and feeling explosions coming from below ground? That's something I haven't been able to explain away yet.
so the government has managed to silence and co-erce all those scientists to come up with an answer that fits their agenda?
all those scientists.
all the fireman and construction guys
the news crews around the building
not one of them sees a demolition team enter the building and plant explosives?
there is no audible explosion and yet it was supposed to have been blown up.. have we invented some silent explosive stuff now? silent explosives that these scientists/demolition experts have heard of?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so the government has managed to silence and co-erce all those scientists to come up with an answer that fits their agenda?
all those scientists.
all the fireman and construction guys
the news crews around the building
not one of them sees a demolition team enter the building and plant explosives?
there is no audible explosion and yet it was supposed to have been blown up.. have we invented some silent explosive stuff now? silent explosives that these scientists/demolition experts have heard of?
While I don't think they personally had a hand in it, I do think they allowed it to happen, either because of ill will or just negligence.
the south face collapses before the north face. you can see it dip just before it drags the rest with it... if hot steel girders soften due to heat and they collapse then surely its feasible that they will drag the attached colder steel girders with it... they wont just snap off and leave half a building standing up beside it... its not concrete....
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
While I don't think they personally had a hand in it, I do think they allowed it to happen, either because of ill will or just negligence.
so a man as completely incompetent as bush and his cronies managed to keep quiet a huge attack on their own country.. not one special agent who has developed a conscience out of all of this has broke away and done an exclusive tv interview.. a book... passed on his secret a la deepthroat... not one?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so the government has managed to silence and co-erce all those scientists to come up with an answer that fits their agenda?
all those scientists.
all the fireman and construction guys
the news crews around the building
not one of them sees a demolition team enter the building and plant explosives?
there is no audible explosion and yet it was supposed to have been blown up.. have we invented some silent explosive stuff now? silent explosives that these scientists/demolition experts have heard of?
The only people that are involved with, or hired are the ones that don't have conspiracy on their minds. If they do, they are removed from the equation promptly.
They are reverse engineering something looking for a specific result. Demolition is not one of the desired results. In that scenario if you look hard enough you will find an excuse for anything imaginable. This is why it has taken so long to come up with an explanation other than demolition. The sound of thermite burning is rather quiet, and thermite residue was found quite readily in this case with forensics. It need not make an explosive sound. I don't think it would be wise to immediately assume standard technology would be used if it were demolished.
The service elevator shafts were being worked on for something like 9 months prior, and the frame of the building is completely accessible between floors where nobody sees or hears a thing. Lot's of people have come forward....extremely little to none makes it into public consciousness via the media.
people label them crazy and unpatriotic the second they do
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
so a man as completely incompetent as bush and his cronies managed to keep quiet a huge attack on their own country.. not one special agent who has developed a conscience out of all of this has broke away and done an exclusive tv interview.. a book... passed on his secret a la deepthroat... not one?
A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday.
The account by Sean McCormack came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, 2001, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks.
(This link also has a memo that can be enlarged about halfway down the page)
There's a lot of information there, all showing that the Bush administration ignored warnings as early as Jan of 2001 about certain terrorist groups. There's also information showing that there were warnings in the late 90's that specifically said that terrorists were sending operatives into aviation school so it wasn't out of the blue when this happened. While there is a possibility that Bush saw this and thought "well, we can use this...let it happen" I believe it was more along the lines of them ignoring it out of negligence and letting over 3000 people get killed.
so a man as completely incompetent as bush and his cronies managed to keep quiet a huge attack on their own country.. not one special agent who has developed a conscience out of all of this has broke away and done an exclusive tv interview.. a book... passed on his secret a la deepthroat... not one?
In a nutshell Israel (mossad) wanted America to know what it was like to live with terrorists.
So many big player dual citizens (Israel/US) in US politics many who have written about a catastrophic event which would be needed to steer America in a bold new direction as outlined in PNAC. they wanted a new pearl harbor was I believe the exact term.
The deeper you look it becomes quite clear that it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means to think something like this was devised to impose fear, and start global conflict based on an agenda.
We've alredy been lied to more than the human mind can comprehend, and there; s no sign of it letting up anytime soon.
And it's ALL based on 9/11. 9/11 was the seed to turn the world on it's ear and do whatever according to PNAC, and it all ties back into Israel, over and over again.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
There's a lot of information there, all showing that the Bush administration ignored warnings as early as Jan of 2001 about certain terrorist groups. There's also information showing that there were warnings in the late 90's that specifically said that terrorists were sending operatives into aviation school so it wasn't out of the blue when this happened. While there is a possibility that Bush saw this and thought "well, we can use this...let it happen" I believe it was more along the lines of them ignoring it out of negligence and letting over 3000 people get killed.
yes i understand... i thought you were implying they had actual knowledge of it... date, time etc... i didnt think you were talking about warnings that suggested an unspecified time from an unspecified set of terrorists.
i was wondering... you know how people dont think a plane went into the Pentagon... they believe it was a missile dont they? so what happened to that plane full of people... were they allowed to land and then everyone was murdered.. was it shot down and yet not one person has seen it being shot down... not one piece of debris found that could be traced back to the shot down plane? just wondering
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
yes i understand... i thought you were implying they had actual knowledge of it... date, time etc... i didnt think you were talking about warnings that suggested an unspecified time from an unspecified set of terrorists.
i was wondering... you know how people dont think a plane went into the Pentagon... they believe it was a missile dont they? so what happened to that plane full of people... were they allowed to land and then everyone was murdered.. was it shot down and yet not one person has seen it being shot down... not one piece of debris found that could be traced back to the shot down plane? just wondering
I don't know anything about that dude. The only thing I really participate in when it comes to discussions about 9/11 is the stuff I posted before. Anything other than that gets too damn messy and controversial.
In a nutshell Israel (mossad) wanted America to know what it was like to live with terrorists.
So many big player dual citizens (Israel/US) in US politics many who have written about a catastrophic event which would be needed to steer America in a bold new direction as outlined in PNAC. they wanted a new pearl harbor was I believe the exact term.
The deeper you look it becomes quite clear that it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means to think something like this was devised to impose fear, and start global conflict based on an agenda.
We've alredy been lied to more than the human mind can comprehend, and there; s no sign of it letting up anytime soon.
And it's ALL based on 9/11. 9/11 was the seed to turn the world on it's ear and do whatever according to PNAC, and it all ties back into Israel, over and over again.
so whilst you find it difficult to believe that a building could fall in unison as a result of fires and that many specialists and scientists have come to this conclusion, i'm expected to believe that Israeli secret agents work in cohesion with the US to allow 3000 people to die just so the US could enter a war in Iraq about oil... see i'm kinda struggling with that... fact based scientific findings versus shadowy secret underworlds allowing 3000 of their own citizens to die in order to start a war... wouldnt it have been a fuckload easier just to have the US embassy somewhere bombed and then pin it on Saddam... far easier to do than somehow get Saudis to go through weeks of training, fly into a billion dollar buildings, kill 3000+ people, and ironically create a shitload of heat about conspiracies.
it just dont add up...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so whilst you find it difficult to believe that a building could fall in unison as a result of fires and that many specialists and scientists have come to this conclusion, i'm expected to believe that Israeli secret agents work in cohesion with the US to allow 3000 people to die just so the US could enter a war in Iraq about oil... see i'm kinda struggling with that... fact based scientific findings versus shadowy secret underworlds allowing 3000 of their own citizens to die in order to start a war... wouldnt it have been a fuckload easier just to have the US embassy somewhere bombed and then pin it on Saddam... far easier to do than somehow get Saudis to go through weeks of training, fly into a billion dollar buildings, kill 3000+ people, and ironically create a shitload of heat about conspiracies.
it just dont add up...
It had to be huge...major visuals...something that would be burned into peoples minds for a long time, and scare the living crap out of them at the same time. An embassy bombing is not going to cut it in my opinion. It's about controlling Americans (and the population of world) as well. This is a plan set out for a new century, for the next 100 years. It's had to be huge, and besides that those buildings were going to cost a mint to upgrade to boot. and this is bigger than just Saddam. Israel spies on the US regularly. There have been so many cases of Israel (mossad) spying in and on the US over the years it's absolutely ridiculous. AIPAC is supposed to be in trial for spying and treason on US soil...instead Obama (and every other US politician) is giving them hand jobs while the trial is delayed (and delayed) and now seemingly indefinitely. I actually believe Bush didn't have to know anything except what he was told to believe and say. He may have his suspicions, but I really don't think any one person really knew what the full scope was...just one link in the conga line.
That's my take on it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Pay attention to the tone of this article. "The Mystery is Solved" ( We can all relax now, the government has figured out how it all happend. Here, watch this, shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pitutary retards smash their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here, watch this, shut up.)
Oh yea, and by the way, another mystery has been solved. We can stop protesting the war because the news told us that "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Here are the images of where nuclear weapons are being made"
A child's rhyme stuck in my head...
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Pay attention to the tone of this article. "The Mystery is Solved" ( We can all relax now, the government has figured out how it all happend. Here, watch this, shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pitutary retards smash their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here, watch this, shut up.)
Oh yea, and by the way, another mystery has been solved. We can stop protesting the war because the news told us that "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Here are the images of where nuclear weapons are being made"
Clearly you're just crazy and spend all your spare time looking for things that just aren't there in between Bigfoot meet ups...
they found Bigfoot and closed the case on 9/11 all in a matter of days.,
it's really just absolutely incredible...
UFO's will be found soon is my guess...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
O.k. so wtf.. this game is pretty weird.. I am hiding on the other side of the SUN
on Broadway downtown Bob Marley where are you.. Steve Candee my friend and Nero.. dragon fighter Tripping on this site we will have a fun party and ya know
our shadows have a peace sign... And you will win....and LOVE PEACE JUSTICE FOR ALL AMERICANS WILL COMMENCE>> A SHOW DOWN HIGH NOON OREGON
EUGENE PRANKSTERS ARE PLAYING THE BELLY DANCERS ARE SO SWEET< THE
GORGGOTH ARE HERE< THE WITCHES ARE HERE < THE WIZARDS ARRE HERE
WE ARE HERE YET WE ARE INVISABLE>>>>>>>><<<<<<<< % DAYS AND counting to the countdown of the ages and we will fly to the moon and so be still my children we are here by your side do not be afraid my angels will protect you all....Death is a change death is a change in the truth that they say is not the truth in anyway.....SO set back and have fun we be JAMMING 8-28-08 see you all on Center stage.. Ken KESEYS PLAZA FOR FREE SPEECH ALL LEGAL production company ccRyderzz productions and the Walls of jericho come tumbling down.... So anyone have a real horse I can borrow? MAybe MY FRIEND ON THE COAST BILL MOYER"S SON 3 mile creek? I rode the red horse years ago when I painted the Yachatts Motel.. ROYAL BLUE>
So BILL can I please borrow a horse? I want to do a Maddona and need the props.. with 4 legs?? By sweetie.. see you on the dark side of the moon.
Feds: Fires took down building next to twin towers
GAITHERSBURG, Md. - Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.
ADVERTISEMENT
The 47-story trapezoid-shaped building sat north of the World Trade Center towers, across Vesey Street in lower Manhattan. On Sept. 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but skeptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel-and-concrete structure.
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.
"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.
The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fueled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.
Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he wasn't buying the government's explanation.
"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.
Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation. Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.
Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command center.
The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.
"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," said Sunder.
The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.
In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.
The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.
A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.
"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen.
In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."
Clearly you're just crazy and spend all your spare time looking for things that just aren't there in between Bigfoot meet ups...
they found Bigfoot and closed the case on 9/11 all in a matter of days.,
it's really just absolutely incredible...
UFO's will be found soon is my guess...
OH THATS RIGHT IT IS A CURRENT FEDERAL INVESTIGATION??? Gimme a break is everyone in America so used to the Propaganda.. That you can't open your real eyes.. THE EYES ARE THE MIRROR TO OUR SOULS>> So really ask MAYBE ITS NOT SO the fool on the hill falls off the wagon? it is the Dumbing of America.. Book that a special author spent time fact finding, They banned the book in public schools?/ why I thought we had the right not to censor things? Oh that was in the 1800's pardon me I am in the wrong century.. Damn I would rather have been born in the undeceived times
EXIT STAGE LEFT The boogy woogy man just walked in>>>
And I like the guys ON UFO"S I KNOW A FEW EXPERTS? Damn I think My CHIP is malfunctioning.. I should have had a maladroit for a secret friend?? LOOK it up in the dictionary I took the etymology classes and the law classes.. But hey what are these haps in OREGON?? LOOK LISTEN AND LEARN LLL??ekk theres a DO DO bird in my living room.. Or was it the Phone x? Hmm we will see my buds the hells have no fury then a mother that lost a daughter for 22 years.. payback? NOPE not worth the effort just JUSTICE FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS HERE IN THE EMERALD VALLEY>> WE ARE TIED TO THE CHAINS LET US BE FREE AND QUIT MAKING STUPID LAWS FOR YOUR OWN AGENDAS.. They made it illegal to SING SONGS ON THE MALL THEN THEY TOOK THE FLOWING WATERS AND TAINTED THEM> THEN THEY TOOK AWAY THE @ WAY STREETS>> I FOUND AN ALLEY THAT WAS JUST LACED WITH SIGNS WRONG WAY ONE WAY THIS WAY THAT WAY? thats so the cops can write more tickets when you might not know how to read.. going to public school here?
I know people who have the HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA?? THEY CAN"T READ?
SUCKS TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT OREGON HUH?? Gimme a break are we just dence or ////working too hard to keep a roof over our children's heads?
I know i suck at spelling sometimes my brain runs faster than a speeding sun flare? See you on the other side of the sun my players.. DiZZZZY
World Trade Center 7 housed SEC files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. While some were backed up in other places, others were not, especially those classified as confidential.[49] Files relating Citigroup to the WorldCom scandal were lost.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Pay attention to the tone of this article. "The Mystery is Solved" ( We can all relax now, the government has figured out how it all happend. Here, watch this, shut up. Here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pitutary retards smash their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here, watch this, shut up.)
Oh yea, and by the way, another mystery has been solved. We can stop protesting the war because the news told us that "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Here are the images of where nuclear weapons are being made"
i keep hearing we've turned the corner in iraq....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why do you keep mentioning the bigfoot shit? it was a couple of wackjobs making a claim who had nothing to do with the government ?
Are you sure? How far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go? I have some info on Bigfoot that will blow your mind. Remember a few years ago when there was a big recall on Firestone Tires? Yeah...you may not want to ask too many questions. You may be afraid of the answers!!
why do you keep mentioning the bigfoot shit? it was a couple of wackjobs making a claim who had nothing to do with the government ?
I'm with you on this one. I'm just DYING to hear the tie between the two. I guess Roland is going to claim those two nut jobs who put the whole Bigfoot hoax together are either Mossad agents or CIA
Comments
It poses a convincing argument. It's worth mentioning on the computer simulation thing that they originally had to crank the data so much at first just to get a collapse result it bordered on obscene, and even then they excluded the core columns.
It looks good no doubt. It's a good looking and convincing computer animation. I dare say they could make anything look convincing on a computer screen.
What of the people coming up out of the basements all blown up with their skin hanging off after hearing and feeling explosions coming from below ground? That's something I haven't been able to explain away yet.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
looks pretty uniform to me...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
so the government has managed to silence and co-erce all those scientists to come up with an answer that fits their agenda?
all those scientists.
all the fireman and construction guys
the news crews around the building
not one of them sees a demolition team enter the building and plant explosives?
there is no audible explosion and yet it was supposed to have been blown up.. have we invented some silent explosive stuff now? silent explosives that these scientists/demolition experts have heard of?
While I don't think they personally had a hand in it, I do think they allowed it to happen, either because of ill will or just negligence.
the south face collapses before the north face. you can see it dip just before it drags the rest with it... if hot steel girders soften due to heat and they collapse then surely its feasible that they will drag the attached colder steel girders with it... they wont just snap off and leave half a building standing up beside it... its not concrete....
so a man as completely incompetent as bush and his cronies managed to keep quiet a huge attack on their own country.. not one special agent who has developed a conscience out of all of this has broke away and done an exclusive tv interview.. a book... passed on his secret a la deepthroat... not one?
The only people that are involved with, or hired are the ones that don't have conspiracy on their minds. If they do, they are removed from the equation promptly.
They are reverse engineering something looking for a specific result. Demolition is not one of the desired results. In that scenario if you look hard enough you will find an excuse for anything imaginable. This is why it has taken so long to come up with an explanation other than demolition. The sound of thermite burning is rather quiet, and thermite residue was found quite readily in this case with forensics. It need not make an explosive sound. I don't think it would be wise to immediately assume standard technology would be used if it were demolished.
The service elevator shafts were being worked on for something like 9 months prior, and the frame of the building is completely accessible between floors where nobody sees or hears a thing. Lot's of people have come forward....extremely little to none makes it into public consciousness via the media.
people label them crazy and unpatriotic the second they do
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/washington/03ricecnd.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1219437171-xw0+qW5+sEfKdWuTWOgCyg
A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday.
The account by Sean McCormack came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, 2001, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/22/clarke.bush/index.html
Former antiterror adviser says Bush ignored 9/11 warnings
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0914051faa1.html
FAA Warned Of Al Qaeda Hijack In 1998
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html
(Shows declassified article)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/12/politics/12clarke.html
'01 Memo to Rice Warned of Qaeda and Offered Plan
(This link also has a memo that can be enlarged about halfway down the page)
There's a lot of information there, all showing that the Bush administration ignored warnings as early as Jan of 2001 about certain terrorist groups. There's also information showing that there were warnings in the late 90's that specifically said that terrorists were sending operatives into aviation school so it wasn't out of the blue when this happened. While there is a possibility that Bush saw this and thought "well, we can use this...let it happen" I believe it was more along the lines of them ignoring it out of negligence and letting over 3000 people get killed.
In a nutshell Israel (mossad) wanted America to know what it was like to live with terrorists.
So many big player dual citizens (Israel/US) in US politics many who have written about a catastrophic event which would be needed to steer America in a bold new direction as outlined in PNAC. they wanted a new pearl harbor was I believe the exact term.
The deeper you look it becomes quite clear that it's not a stretch of the imagination by any means to think something like this was devised to impose fear, and start global conflict based on an agenda.
We've alredy been lied to more than the human mind can comprehend, and there; s no sign of it letting up anytime soon.
And it's ALL based on 9/11. 9/11 was the seed to turn the world on it's ear and do whatever according to PNAC, and it all ties back into Israel, over and over again.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
yes i understand... i thought you were implying they had actual knowledge of it... date, time etc... i didnt think you were talking about warnings that suggested an unspecified time from an unspecified set of terrorists.
i was wondering... you know how people dont think a plane went into the Pentagon... they believe it was a missile dont they? so what happened to that plane full of people... were they allowed to land and then everyone was murdered.. was it shot down and yet not one person has seen it being shot down... not one piece of debris found that could be traced back to the shot down plane? just wondering
I don't know anything about that dude. The only thing I really participate in when it comes to discussions about 9/11 is the stuff I posted before. Anything other than that gets too damn messy and controversial.
so whilst you find it difficult to believe that a building could fall in unison as a result of fires and that many specialists and scientists have come to this conclusion, i'm expected to believe that Israeli secret agents work in cohesion with the US to allow 3000 people to die just so the US could enter a war in Iraq about oil... see i'm kinda struggling with that... fact based scientific findings versus shadowy secret underworlds allowing 3000 of their own citizens to die in order to start a war... wouldnt it have been a fuckload easier just to have the US embassy somewhere bombed and then pin it on Saddam... far easier to do than somehow get Saudis to go through weeks of training, fly into a billion dollar buildings, kill 3000+ people, and ironically create a shitload of heat about conspiracies.
it just dont add up...
It had to be huge...major visuals...something that would be burned into peoples minds for a long time, and scare the living crap out of them at the same time. An embassy bombing is not going to cut it in my opinion. It's about controlling Americans (and the population of world) as well. This is a plan set out for a new century, for the next 100 years. It's had to be huge, and besides that those buildings were going to cost a mint to upgrade to boot. and this is bigger than just Saddam. Israel spies on the US regularly. There have been so many cases of Israel (mossad) spying in and on the US over the years it's absolutely ridiculous. AIPAC is supposed to be in trial for spying and treason on US soil...instead Obama (and every other US politician) is giving them hand jobs while the trial is delayed (and delayed) and now seemingly indefinitely. I actually believe Bush didn't have to know anything except what he was told to believe and say. He may have his suspicions, but I really don't think any one person really knew what the full scope was...just one link in the conga line.
That's my take on it.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Oh yea, and by the way, another mystery has been solved. We can stop protesting the war because the news told us that "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Here are the images of where nuclear weapons are being made"
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Clearly you're just crazy and spend all your spare time looking for things that just aren't there in between Bigfoot meet ups...
they found Bigfoot and closed the case on 9/11 all in a matter of days.,
it's really just absolutely incredible...
UFO's will be found soon is my guess...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
on Broadway downtown Bob Marley where are you.. Steve Candee my friend and Nero.. dragon fighter Tripping on this site we will have a fun party and ya know
our shadows have a peace sign... And you will win....and LOVE PEACE JUSTICE FOR ALL AMERICANS WILL COMMENCE>> A SHOW DOWN HIGH NOON OREGON
EUGENE PRANKSTERS ARE PLAYING THE BELLY DANCERS ARE SO SWEET< THE
GORGGOTH ARE HERE< THE WITCHES ARE HERE < THE WIZARDS ARRE HERE
WE ARE HERE YET WE ARE INVISABLE>>>>>>>><<<<<<<< % DAYS AND counting to the countdown of the ages and we will fly to the moon and so be still my children we are here by your side do not be afraid my angels will protect you all....Death is a change death is a change in the truth that they say is not the truth in anyway.....SO set back and have fun we be JAMMING 8-28-08 see you all on Center stage.. Ken KESEYS PLAZA FOR FREE SPEECH ALL LEGAL production company ccRyderzz productions and the Walls of jericho come tumbling down.... So anyone have a real horse I can borrow? MAybe MY FRIEND ON THE COAST BILL MOYER"S SON 3 mile creek? I rode the red horse years ago when I painted the Yachatts Motel.. ROYAL BLUE>
So BILL can I please borrow a horse? I want to do a Maddona and need the props.. with 4 legs?? By sweetie.. see you on the dark side of the moon.
GAITHERSBURG, Md. - Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.
ADVERTISEMENT
The 47-story trapezoid-shaped building sat north of the World Trade Center towers, across Vesey Street in lower Manhattan. On Sept. 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but skeptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel-and-concrete structure.
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.
"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.
The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fueled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.
Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he wasn't buying the government's explanation.
"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.
Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation. Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.
Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command center.
The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.
"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," said Sunder.
The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.
In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.
The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.
A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.
"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen.
In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."
OH THATS RIGHT IT IS A CURRENT FEDERAL INVESTIGATION??? Gimme a break is everyone in America so used to the Propaganda.. That you can't open your real eyes.. THE EYES ARE THE MIRROR TO OUR SOULS>> So really ask MAYBE ITS NOT SO the fool on the hill falls off the wagon? it is the Dumbing of America.. Book that a special author spent time fact finding, They banned the book in public schools?/ why I thought we had the right not to censor things? Oh that was in the 1800's pardon me I am in the wrong century.. Damn I would rather have been born in the undeceived times
EXIT STAGE LEFT The boogy woogy man just walked in>>>
And I like the guys ON UFO"S I KNOW A FEW EXPERTS? Damn I think My CHIP is malfunctioning.. I should have had a maladroit for a secret friend?? LOOK it up in the dictionary I took the etymology classes and the law classes.. But hey what are these haps in OREGON?? LOOK LISTEN AND LEARN LLL??ekk theres a DO DO bird in my living room.. Or was it the Phone x? Hmm we will see my buds the hells have no fury then a mother that lost a daughter for 22 years.. payback? NOPE not worth the effort just JUSTICE FOR ME AND MY FRIENDS HERE IN THE EMERALD VALLEY>> WE ARE TIED TO THE CHAINS LET US BE FREE AND QUIT MAKING STUPID LAWS FOR YOUR OWN AGENDAS.. They made it illegal to SING SONGS ON THE MALL THEN THEY TOOK THE FLOWING WATERS AND TAINTED THEM> THEN THEY TOOK AWAY THE @ WAY STREETS>> I FOUND AN ALLEY THAT WAS JUST LACED WITH SIGNS WRONG WAY ONE WAY THIS WAY THAT WAY? thats so the cops can write more tickets when you might not know how to read.. going to public school here?
I know people who have the HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA?? THEY CAN"T READ?
SUCKS TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT OREGON HUH?? Gimme a break are we just dence or ////working too hard to keep a roof over our children's heads?
I know i suck at spelling sometimes my brain runs faster than a speeding sun flare? See you on the other side of the sun my players.. DiZZZZY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#Collapse
World Trade Center 7 housed SEC files relating to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. While some were backed up in other places, others were not, especially those classified as confidential.[49] Files relating Citigroup to the WorldCom scandal were lost.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i keep hearing we've turned the corner in iraq....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why do you keep mentioning the bigfoot shit? it was a couple of wackjobs making a claim who had nothing to do with the government ?
Are you sure? How far down the rabbit hole are you willing to go? I have some info on Bigfoot that will blow your mind. Remember a few years ago when there was a big recall on Firestone Tires? Yeah...you may not want to ask too many questions. You may be afraid of the answers!!
Time to WAKE THE FUCK UP SHEEPLE!!!!
I'm with you on this one. I'm just DYING to hear the tie between the two. I guess Roland is going to claim those two nut jobs who put the whole Bigfoot hoax together are either Mossad agents or CIA
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm