Rx, meth, coke problems? Legalize the herb!!!

Spartancus wrote:

No, not from Montreal, but with the state of affairs in the good old USA of late...Canada is looking MIGHTY appealing to me. I agree 100% with what you wrote by the way. Hey, while we're on the subject of Canada, does anyone know much about Sarnia? I've got family in MI an hour from there, and it's right over the Port Huron bridge, so I seriously would consider that. And it's not too far from Toronto and Barrie...pretty cool areas. I think things in general in the US are getting that bad (don't even read my Yates posts).

Sarnia's about 3hrs west of Toronto. Barrie is a couple hours north of Toronto. You'll probably be wanting to check out Tobermory from Sarnia. Better than Barrie are the Muskokas if you're craving more backwoods about 2hrs north of Barrie. Georgian bay area in general is a geological wonder. The 30,000 islands chain. French river area to the north of that. The southeast quadrant of Lake Nipissing is breath taking. You access it from an Native Indian reserve (free). Surreal experience. The furthest I've gone up is Temagami (Norteast of Sudbury). The water there is like champagne, I dare say you could drink it without issue. Canada - it's all those fresh glaciers we got right above us

know1 wrote:

Well - I didn't find ways to get high so your whole argument goes out the window if there's not 100% consistency.

Hey - people will always find reasons and ways to murder someone, so let's just make it legal...

Since when can getting high (hurting no one) be anywhere near comparable to the act of murdering another person?

Whoa...dude...that's a nice analogy you got there... :P

know1 wrote:

Well - I didn't find ways to get high so your whole argument goes out the window if there's not 100% consistency.

Hey - people will always find reasons and ways to murder someone, so let's just make it legal...

oh cmon you know that's not true.

If someone wants to get high bad enough they'll find a away, legal or not. Not everyone is going to do it.. you're twisting the argument just so you can try to make fun of it.

Plus, drug use is almost always a victimless crime.. just a person or some people having fun.

Comparing it to murder is exactly what those 'scared old people' i referenced earlier do... and i mean it, it's exactly what they do and it's completely ridiculous to do so.




And responding to what someone said a few posts up, Mushrooms are non-addictive as well. Only problem is you have to be careful because some of the magic mushrooms have near look-a-likes that will kill you.

Shrooms are a less intense, MUCH safer alternative to acid.

know1 wrote:

The whole "hurting no one" is absolutely laughable. It's a crock and a rationalization that helps people sleep at night.

I didn't say the crimes were comparable, just the logic behind the argument.

Ok, we agree, it does harm families, friends etc. etc.

Are the current methods working to deter or eliminate drug use?

I say no. I think burning fields in Columbia is not making a dent because it does nothing about supply and jailing non violent drug users is not a deterrant to most users and it does nothing to help society as a whole.

I'd like to see the focal point of the drug war be placed on treatment of addicts to help them maintain sobriety and to educate young people as to the effects of illicit drug use. IE, yes smoking pot and sitting around and doing nothing can harm families and friendships just as can drinking alcohol, but cops spending time busting kids smoking pot, cigarettes and drinking alcohol if they aren't endangering the public by driving or otherwise is really not using the government effectively.

IE: I wear my seatbelt and a motorcycle helmet (not at the same time ha ha) because it's the smart thing to do not because there is a law.

Same with drugs, I choose not to use them other than drinking alcohol and the occasional cigar. I just don't see the point in busting people and sending them to prison simply because they choose to use a drug our government picks and chooses what drugs we get to use recreationally and it gets ridiculous in regards to pot. If a guy wants to go out on the beach in the morning and smoke a joint, I don't have a problem with that anymore than I do with people maybe drinking a cocktail on the beach at 5:30 when they get home. I think education and treatment are far more effective than prohibition, and it grants the public personal responsiblity. It's been shown to be effective in other parts of the world, where most of the druggies end up being American tourists.

I agree with Pac, but drug use (lower end drug use.. pot.. etc.. what we've been talking about) doesn't harm friends and families.

It can.. but it's not in any way a given that it will.. it's pretty rare, and usually results from 2 extremes living together (i.e. an anti-drug filmmaker who's son smokes weed every day in the house with him or something :rolleyes: )

Actually, i've made a lot of good friends through pot, too.

know1 wrote:

You can hurt people in absentia through drug-induced actions. You can also hurt them physically if you drive or whatever. My point is, don't try and pretend that drug use only affects the user.

Reefer madness man... i knew a guy that knew a guy that smoked a joint once, and immediately came down with mental illnesses like schitzo. and manic depression so he killed his parents with an axe!

Look, the only thing you're going to want to do high is eat, listen to music, and watch tv really. And if you do drive high, it's not like alcohol.. people can safely drive high fairly easily... it's not as safe as sober, don't get me wrong,.. but it's not like drunk driving. at all.

know1 wrote:

Again (second time), I do see a difference between drug use and murder.

The original post said something to the effect of "since they're going to find ways to get high, we should legalize it". There is no more logic in that than saying since they're going to murder someone anyway, we should legalize it.

The thing is, I don't even care if it's legalized. But the arguments that are made proposing that are stupid.

i understand what you're saying, but that's not the argument.

That comment was made to say that the illegalization of the drug doesn't do any good. All it does is spur crime and get innocent people locked up crowding the jails.

Pacomc79 wrote:

Ok, we agree, it does harm families, friends etc. etc.

Are the current methods working to deter or eliminate drug use?

I say no. I think burning fields in Columbia is not making a dent because it does nothing about supply and jailing non violent drug users is not a deterrant to most users and it does nothing to help society as a whole.

I'd like to see the focal point of the drug war be placed on treatment of addicts to help them maintain sobriety and to educate young people as to the effects of illicit drug use. IE, yes smoking pot and sitting around and doing nothing can harm families and friendships just as can drinking alcohol, but cops spending time busting kids smoking pot, cigarettes and drinking alcohol if they aren't endangering the public by driving or otherwise is really not using the government effectively.

IE: I wear my seatbelt and a motorcycle helmet (not at the same time ha ha) because it's the smart thing to do not because there is a law.

Same with drugs, I choose not to use them other than drinking alcohol and the occasional cigar. I just don't see the point in busting people and sending them to prison simply because they choose to use a drug our government picks and chooses what drugs we get to use recreationally and it gets ridiculous in regards to pot. If a guy wants to go out on the beach in the morning and smoke a joint, I don't have a problem with that anymore than I do with people maybe drinking a cocktail on the beach at 5:30 when they get home. I think education and treatment are far more effective than prohibition, and it grants the public personal responsiblity. It's been shown to be effective in other parts of the world, where most of the druggies end up being American tourists.

There is a war on drugs because every kid and their brother is out on the streets selling the hard shit (crack, meth, Coke, and heroin in many cases).

People are buying it from them, some only buy weed but they still cast their vote on promoting their lifestyle. Drop out drug dealer youth of today....lovely

Take that power away from them. Let the common man cultivate herb in his own yard if he so chooses. Problem solved. Alcohol is a worse substance than pot. GMAFB. Alcohol is just as much or more of a gateway drug than anything. :rolleyes:

aBoxOfFear wrote:

fuckin A, man - legalize the herb!! meanwhile it's perfectly legal to smoke a cigarette and drink a shot of scotch(both can kill you over time) but smoking a joint?? forget it. makes no sense. :rolleyes:

PRECISELY alcohol is somehow exempt from the entire thought process of a gateway substance....hahahahaha!


blame it all on the weed!

come down off those horses folks...

know1 wrote:

I call BS. It DOES harm friends and families.

I'd love to know how. I can't think of one time I smoked a J and somehow hurt my friends or family. Certainly not physically, never verbally (I'm friendlier when stoned), never financially (it's money that comes out of my pocket). So how? Give me a relevant example please. I'd be surprised if you know1 example (weakest pun ever!).

MCG wrote:

I'd love to know how. I can't think of one time I smoked a J and somehow hurt my friends or family. Certainly not physically, never verbally (I'm friendlier when stoned), never financially (it's money that comes out of my pocket). So how? Give me a relevant example please. I'd be surprised if you know1 example (weakest pun ever!).

You don't think that people might want to be with you, or spend time with you, or have a converstion, or otherwise need you to be there for them and lucid might be hurt when you're stoned and not there for them?

You don't think comments that are made when under some influence might be different from comments made when not and those would never hurt?

You don't think that money spent on drugs might be used to spend on relationships or children's items, etc. and that doesn't harm them?