Rx, meth, coke problems? Legalize the herb!!!

Pearl Jam and toast

know1 wrote:

But the illegalization of murder spurs crime and gets people locked up, too.

(and their not innocent if they broke the law - even if the law is stupid)

people don't turn to the mob or gangs to buy murder.


And yes, i think a pot smoker is INNOCENT in every sense of the word possibly.

That's a bullshit law.

Pearl Jam and toast

know1 wrote:

You don't think that people might want to be with you, or spend time with you, or have a converstion, or otherwise need you to be there for them and lucid might be hurt when you're stoned and not there for them?

People aren't stoned all the time.. the most harm that can come out of that is.. "oh you're high?.. alright" and if you don't want to talk to said person stoned.. "i'll talk to you later about this,.. call me when you sober up". If you're stoned at a time when you really shouldn't be (i dunno.. wedding?) than it's your fault not weed's.

know1 wrote:

You don't think comments that are made when under some influence might be different from comments made when not and those would never hurt?

That can't really hurt anyone.. since when does talking about how awesome Mike McCready is or how much you love chocolate hurting anyone? Have you ever even smoked before?

know1 wrote:

You don't think that money spent on drugs might be used to spend on relationships or children's items, etc. and that doesn't harm them?

You set aside money for things you like to do. It's not a heroin habit here.. If you can't afford weed it's not the end of the world.

Again, if those things conflict, it's your own damn irresonsibility, not the weed.

MCG

know1 wrote:

You don't think that people might want to be with you, or spend time with you, or have a converstion, or otherwise need you to be there for them and lucid might be hurt when you're stoned and not there for them?

But I am there for them, I mostly smoke to medicate stomach problems. Everybody knows and nobody has a problem with it. The pot makes it easier for me to live my life, otherwise I spend it cradling a toilet. I have no problem listening or expressing emotions after a bowl.

know1 wrote:

You don't think comments that are made when under some influence might be different from comments made when not and those would never hurt?

Different maybe, hurtful never. Not sure what your poking at here. It's not like when I'm high and see my gf I say "Whoa baby, maybe its the drugs but you look fat" I think you are under the impression that when you are high you have no control over what comes out of your mouth, this is not true.

know1 wrote:

You don't think that money spent on drugs might be used to spend on relationships or children's items, etc. and that doesn't harm them?

I only smoke in small amounts so a little goes a long way and I don't have kids. Also, I almost look at it as something I have to spend, like if I needed prescription pills. My gf encourages me to do whatever I need to in order to function as normally and happily as possible and if it takes $15 a week to do that, she's not suffering. I shower as much resources and attention on her as possible and if your wondering she doesn't smoke.

...still waiting on that example...

rightondude

know1 wrote:

You can hurt people in absentia through drug-induced actions. You can also hurt them physically if you drive or whatever. My point is, don't try and pretend that drug use only affects the user.




Again (second time), I do see a difference between drug use and murder.

The original post said something to the effect of "since they're going to find ways to get high, we should legalize it". There is no more logic in that than saying since they're going to murder someone anyway, we should legalize it.

The thing is, I don't even care if it's legalized. But the arguments that are made proposing that are stupid.

It obvious from your first statement that you've never tried herb much at all. Curious, how often do you get a buzz from alcohol?

So you see the very obvious reality of eliminating one (if not the) primary source of income for youth street gang violence, and killing, as no logical reasoning at all?

Interesting.

rightondude

Do you also know that Marijuana offsets the effects of amphetamines such as crack and meth? On amphetamines, your head is tweaking and freaking all over the place. When you smoke weed the herb helps pull you down and ground you back to nature, by offsetting the sharpness of the "tweaked" effects. They are two completely opposite states of mind. If you want any hope of kicking a crack habit you'll need to use marijuana. Marijuana is the healing drug to recover from a lot of these harder drug ilnesses. Let's not forget that aspect of it. Marijuana is considered medicinal. Ever hear of a therapeutic drink (drunk) of vodka, or scotch or 4 fast beers?

Don't be raggin all high an mighty on de herb mon....herb racists!

"dem don't know"

Pearl Jam and toast

rightondude wrote:

Do you also know that Marijuana offsets the effects of amphetamines such as crack and meth? On amphetamines, your head is tweaking and freaking all over the place. When you smoke weed the herb helps pull you down and ground you back to nature, by offsetting the sharpness of the "tweaked" effects. They are two completely opposite states of mind. If you want any hope of kicking a crack habit you'll need to use marijuana. Marijuana is the healing drug to recover from a lot of these harder drug ilnesses. Let's not forget that aspect of it. Marijuana is considered medicinal. Ever hear of a therapeutic drink (drunk) of vodka, or scotch or 4 fast beers?

Don't be raggin all high an mighty on de herb mon....herb racists!

"dem don't know"

They hate the green people

Mary Jane is an herb, that's not just slang ya know.

RockinInCanada

danny72688 wrote:

Americans aren't the brightest crayons in the box most times Plus I don't think people in Holland abuse the priveledge of it being legal. I know many here in America would abuse the fuck out of it.

Though it would be a step forward for the ecomony. Get that shit taxed, put dealer fucks outta business. Sorry I think it's really unfair that dealers don't have to pay taxes or really even do shit for a job if dealing is their life.

The word tax is why I DONT want to see it legalized...I want to see it decriminalized...meaning only a small fine for possession...if it was to be legalized however I would like to see laws similar to brewing your own beer...I do not want to see the government become the dealer....it would be bunk and would be high in costs....

rightondude

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

The word tax is why I DONT want to see it legalized...I want to see it decriminalized...meaning only a small fine for possession...if it was to be legalized however I would like to see laws similar to brewing your own beer...I do not want to see the government become the dealer....it would be bunk and would be high in costs....

Legalize the seeds and let people grow it. The only way. The government becoming the new dealer would be albeit somewhat better, however equally as insane in practice and in basic human rights.

Pearl Jam and toast

rightondude wrote:

Legalize the seeds and let people grow it. The only way. The government becoming the new dealer would be albeit somewhat better, however equally as insane in practice and in basic human rights.

i agree.

rightondude

take a bump, give a bump

Meatwagon

Sorry I came across this so late in the game. Some good arguments for legalization guys. Nice. I agree 100% with you. Marijuana has a bad rap because it is an easy target. No it's not a miracle drug and has some downsides. Big deal. The #1 mood altering drug in the world you ask.......Caffeine. Addictive as hell and at least a week of withdrawls. Who here is a bitch when they haven't had their morning cup of joe??? Gateway drug???? Try good old alcohol....Anyway... Educate and set a good example. We are not all "Potheads" with dead end lives. Get off your high horses and move on......after you legalize it.

Meatwagon

Pacomc79 wrote:

while I'm all about legalization and criminalization, treatment, and education as a better way to combat drug use......I find this a bit funny.

Pound your kid full of drugs from when they were 2 because they have "ADD" or "insert your mental malady here". Then expect that they won't abuse them later on.

No shit. What else would one expect from a person who has been taking drugs his/her whole life. We work our asses off to make sure our kids don't get labeled with that shit. You would be amazed what a few bike rides and some good reading habits can do. Well I'll be damned, we are back to the whole educating thing again..

Pearl Jam and toast

^ I rarely go a day without coffee or tea.. i drink one of those at least 6 days a week ^


And yes, education is the most important thing.

1970RR

know1 wrote:

I call BS. It DOES harm friends and families.

As opposed to putting someone in jail? Breaking up families? Dont those things cause harm as well?
If someone is hurting someone - there are laws for that. If someone is neglecting their children - there are laws for that. If someone is driving under the influence - there are laws for that. In other words, there are a myriad of laws for when a person crosses the line and affects others.
What it comes down to for me is that I fail to see a valid reason for the state to incarcerate me for the sole reason of injesting a mind-altering substance they dissapprove of.

In my opinion, the prohibition of drugs has caused far more damage to society than legalization ever could.

prytocorduroy

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

The word tax is why I DONT want to see it legalized...I want to see it decriminalized...meaning only a small fine for possession...if it was to be legalized however I would like to see laws similar to brewing your own beer...I do not want to see the government become the dealer....it would be bunk and would be high in costs....

Fuck the dealers. They don't have to pay taxes. Their job is to take care of their crop and sell it. They don't do shit really compared to everyone else, yet they are swimming in money. Fuck dealers in terms of economics. It's unfair.

I agree with the rest of your post.

know1

1970RR wrote:

As opposed to putting someone in jail? Breaking up families? Dont those things cause harm as well?
If someone is hurting someone - there are laws for that. If someone is neglecting their children - there are laws for that. If someone is driving under the influence - there are laws for that. In other words, there are a myriad of laws for when a person crosses the line and affects others.
What it comes down to for me is that I fail to see a valid reason for the state to incarcerate me for the sole reason of injesting a mind-altering substance they dissapprove of.

In my opinion, the prohibition of drugs has caused far more damage to society than legalization ever could.

I don't see any reason why I should drive the speed limit either. I'm a better driver than most and have never been in an accident.

MCG

know1 wrote:

I don't see any reason why I should drive the speed limit either. I'm a better driver than most and have never been in an accident.

We get it, you don't like pot. What exactly is your objection to people who like to smoke? As long as we're not hurting anybody (a point I've tried to get accross on previous posts) what is your problem?

Pearl Jam and toast

know1 wrote:

I don't see any reason why I should drive the speed limit either. I'm a better driver than most and have never been in an accident.

Germany has it right.

They make it harder to get a liscense, train you better, and punish you stricter.

But they allow a lot of room for speeds.


They have maybe the safest roads in the modern world.

know1

MCG wrote:

We get it, you don't like pot. What exactly is your objection to people who like to smoke? As long as we're not hurting anybody (a point I've tried to get accross on previous posts) what is your problem?

No you don't get it. I don't have anything against pot, although I don't have much respect for people who place such a high importance on it.

I'm also generally against the governmnet regulating anything...only the bare minimum.

All I'm saying is that your arguments for legalizing it are illogical.

(and once again, it is very naive to think that your actions do not affect others. Everyone's actions and even their thoughts affect other people)

MCG

know1 wrote:

(and once again, it is very naive to think that your actions do not affect others. Everyone's actions and even their thoughts affect other people)

And it is very closed minded to assume that because the action involves pot the effects on others around me are negative. In my case I could easily argue the opposite.