Rx, meth, coke problems? Legalize the herb!!!

prytocorduroy

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

All the potheads i know are scared to death of other drugs.

Because they're EDUCATED.

It's not a downward spiral, that's complete rubbish.





Plus, did anyone mention that legalizing all drugs might help fight urban decay by reducing crime?

Same thing that happened with alcohol and the mob in the 20's has happened with other drugs now.

Most hard drug users are uneducated. I'm educated and totally in fear of acid, which I tried by the way a couple times just because... I'm afraid of nearly every other drug too.

I think it is a downward spiral, so let's not argue on it - we won't change each other's minds.

Legalizing drugs may reduce crime. But would you want a people to readily be able to buy speed or coke or meth or heroin? People do stupid shit when they're messed up so who knows really???

I agree on the alcohol bit.

prytocorduroy

InsaneSoup wrote:

But, dude, in the Netherlands they have a very low rate of smokers (lower than the U.S.), mostly due to the fact that it is legal, it takes away that allure of "oooh, I'm doing something bad...I'm sooo cool." Holland still has not legalized hard drugs and they've been down with the herb for a long time now (not sure how long, but pretty sure a long time).

I do however, totally agree with you about the ridiculousness of current punishments...let's fill those prisons up shall we? then we can build more prisons! AND MORE and MORE! BWHAHAHAHA!!!

I agree with you here. Make it legal, no devience factor pushing you to try. But Americans are different so we don't know if our society would react/act the same.

Pearl Jam and toast

danny72688 wrote:

Most hard drug users are uneducated. I'm educated and totally in fear of acid, which I tried by the way a couple times just because... I'm afraid of nearly every other drug too.

I think it is a downward spiral, so let's not argue on it - we won't change each other's minds.

agree.

danny wrote:

Legalizing drugs may reduce crime. But would you want a people to readily be able to buy speed or coke or meth or heroin? People do stupid shit when they're messed up so who knows really???
.

i dunno.

i don't have it all figured out of course, i was just throwing that in there.

prytocorduroy

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

agree.


i dunno.

i don't have it all figured out of course, i was just throwing that in there.

It's a tricky subject so you gotta look at everything! Question everything and when you think you have it figured out, question more.

Pearl Jam and toast

danny72688 wrote:

It's a tricky subject so you gotta look at everything! Question everything and when you think you have it figured out, question more.

*nods*

in relation to that, it should be noted that those european places like Holland have incomparibly lower crime and impaired-driving rates than the Us.

prytocorduroy

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

*nods*

in relation to that, it should be noted that those european places like Holland have incomparibly lower crime and impaired-driving rates than the Us.

Americans aren't the brightest crayons in the box most times Plus I don't think people in Holland abuse the priveledge of it being legal. I know many here in America would abuse the fuck out of it.

Though it would be a step forward for the ecomony. Get that shit taxed, put dealer fucks outta business. Sorry I think it's really unfair that dealers don't have to pay taxes or really even do shit for a job if dealing is their life.

Spartanacus

danny72688 wrote:

I am neither A nor B and I am against it. Read my previous post for my reasonings. In addition, I think the punishment for possession is ridiculous. A slap on the wrist would be better punishment.

Even a slap on the wrist is too harsh...while it's illegal, if one is caught with a personal use amount, the officer should simply tell them to smoke it in the privacy of their own home.

To me, smoking pot is no worse than doing 5 miles over the speed limit on a highway, as long as you do it safely and respect other people's "right" to breathe their boring clean air. So like doing 5 miles over, the pot smoking penalty should be the same...which is NOTHING...turn the other cheek officers!

By the way...one of these days I'll have to ask my buddy cop next door how he feels about it. He'll probably light up with me.

Rushlimbo

Spartancus wrote:

This morning as I got ready for work there was a story on ABC's GMA talking about the latest epidemic facing our youths...Rx drug abuse, and the addictions and/or deadly overdoses due to it.

Let me put it as simply as this...TEENS OR THOSE UNDER THE LEGAL DRINKING AGE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND WAYS TO GET HIGH. HOW ABOUT ACCEPTING THIS FACT AND AT LEAST EDUCATING THEM ON THEIR SAFEST OPTION...MARIJUANA!!!

The fact is that it's much easier for them to get their hands on Rx drugs, "OTC" drugs, household cleaning products, booze, even meth and crack in a lot of areas of the country, than it is to get a hold of God's own good green herb!!!

All these goodie goodie (and sadly, former "hippies" probably) soccer moms are freaking out and are going to march to Capitol Hill to protest Rx drugs. Well, I feel for you losses, but perhaps you should have been more forthright with your kid and explained the obvious hazards of swigging down a bottle of cough syrup mixed with an Rx narcotic!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=2237161

I'm 33, a father of 2 girls under 26 months old, and an infrequent pot smoker. And you know what...I always will be, and I'm proud of that.

As far as how to breach the subject to kids...my parents never admitted to it, nor have I ever asked them, nor have they ever came right out and asked me if I've ever used marijuana. Even after finding a bong in my little sisters travel bag, they chose the "don't ask, don't tell" route, and only occassionally made the "don't do drugs" comment as we drove back to college after a weekend at home. Meanwhile, I almost used up my 9 lives from age 18 through the college years (actually through a year ago ) with VERY unsafe alcohol induced situations.

How about being more open with kids??? Don't they deserve to know the truth? Or does every hypocrite past pot smoking parent over 40 still denounce the evils of ALL drugs?

Fuck that. I understand you don't want to be known as the "cool" parents who encourage and even provide pot to their kids, but there are worse things in life to be labeled. At least tell them the facts and hey...if they're 18 and want to get high, then give them a fucking joint every now and then if they do their chores!

I'll never forget the evening after my sister's graduation party (my bro was 23 and I was 25), when my mom forced a couple of our friends to drive home inebriated late at night versus letting them crash. Smart Mom...real fucking smart.

How about this "controversial" way to lower overdoses and drunk driving related deaths...FUCKING LEGALIZE PERSONAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION IN ALL FORMS FOR EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18!!!

Those old school idiots who run our country, who were born prior to 1950 and never got into the "hippie" revolution of the 60's, need to step aside and let the younger generations fix our nation by picking our battles and advocating safe use of marijuana versus the highly unsafe use of other chemically enhanced or produced drugs or alcohol.

Let's change this sick nation one crack baby at a time!!! I'd much rather have a nation of chilled out slackers with cases of the munchies, than a bunch of drunks and Rx, meth, and coke dependent crack heads popping out more addicted kids than they can count.

They should put you in Yate's old jail cell.

Spartanacus

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

All the potheads i know are scared to death of other drugs. Because they're EDUCATED. It's not a downward spiral, that's complete rubbish. Plus, did anyone mention that legalizing all drugs might help fight urban decay by reducing crime? Same thing that happened with alcohol and the mob in the 20's has happened with other drugs now.

I know we share similar views, but I've been meaning to point out that I'm offended by the "pothead" or "druggie" label, and I wondered if anyone else was? I am by no means any of the two. I am a successfull white collar father of two who occassionally favors a certain natural herb over alcohol. So from here on out, we shall be known only as "Herb Intakers."

I don't know about legalizing ALL drugs at this time, but pot and mushrooms for sure. Our country needs to take small steps, and if we legalize crack and dangerous drugs like that the same day we legalize marijuana...I think that will defeat the purpose of legalinzing marijuana.

But I like your theory.

keeponrockin

danny72688 wrote:

Americans aren't the brightest crayons in the box most times Plus I don't think people in Holland abuse the priveledge of it being legal. I know many here in America would abuse the fuck out of it.

Though it would be a step forward for the ecomony. Get that shit taxed, put dealer fucks outta business. Sorry I think it's really unfair that dealers don't have to pay taxes or really even do shit for a job if dealing is their life.

I think it would be abused for a while, and then it would die down. I know many people who are totally against pot, and they wouldn't do it anyway.

Spartanacus

danny72688 wrote:

Most hard drug users are uneducated. I'm educated and totally in fear of acid, which I tried by the way a couple times just because... I'm afraid of nearly every other drug too.

Are you calling pot or acid "hard" drugs? I've never done acid, because I've heard some horror stories, but I don't think either would classify as "hard"...especially not pot.

Spartanacus

danny72688 wrote:

Though it would be a step forward for the ecomony. Get that shit taxed, put dealer fucks outta business. Sorry I think it's really unfair that dealers don't have to pay taxes or really even do shit for a job if dealing is their life.

If that's what it takes to legalize it fine...that's a step in the right direction. But come on...most experienced or money conscious smokers wouldn't touch some highly taxed, inferior, R.J. Reynolds "Rolled Joints" if they could plant a seed in their backyard in the Summer and invest in a little grow station for the Winter months.

I have no problem with the dealers. I'd never take the risk growing anything that would resemble a "dealers" crop, but to each his own.

Pacomc79

while I'm all about legalization and criminalization, treatment, and education as a better way to combat drug use......I find this a bit funny.

Pound your kid full of drugs from when they were 2 because they have "ADD" or "insert your mental malady here". Then expect that they won't abuse them later on.

Spartanacus

keeponrockin wrote:

I know many people who are totally against pot, and they wouldn't do it anyway.

Yeah, I probably know a lot more naive "anti-pot" people than I know open minded pot smokers...but what can I do...disown my own mother?

It's their loss. I won't take it personally unless they make it a personal attack, and if so, I hope the door doesn't hit them on the way out of my life.

Life is too short to not try certain pleasurable things that God intended us to try.

I can read The Bible or my copy of Conservative Weekly when I'm dead...there are too many fun things to do on Earth these 70 or so years we're down here to worry about following screwed up politicians and their law abiding lemmings off a cliff.

prytocorduroy

Spartancus wrote:

Are you calling pot or acid "hard" drugs? I've never done acid, because I've heard some horror stories, but I don't think either would classify as "hard"...especially not pot.

I was calling acid harder than weed. But I fear it now. Pot is a light drug.

EvilToasterElf

danny72688 wrote:

I was calling acid harder than weed. But I fear it now. Pot is a light drug.

I will take acid every chance I get until the day I die, but there are plenty of people I would tell not to try it.

If you don't have a solid mental foundation - in otherwords, if you're taking it to try and cope with the world around you - you're not going to have a good time - possibly a horrible mind scarring time

But if you're an overall mentally healthy person - it's going to open up your mind to a tornado of thought and experience

Same goes for mushrooms - though a little less mentally thought driven - more hallucination manipulation of what you see driven

But the whole gateway drug argument only carries a small amount of weight, because pot is a harmless activity that is a gateway to illegal activity, anyone associated with it is breaking the law, which will lead you to groups of people regularly breaking more laws, maybe hard drugs, maybe other things.

Yes, there are plenty of otherwise law abiding citizens who smoke pot, but there will always be the other elements. In otherwords pot can lead to sub-cultures which may be more extreme that you might encounter without trying pot. As I see it

rightondude

Spartancus wrote:

This morning as I got ready for work there was a story on ABC's GMA talking about the latest epidemic facing our youths...Rx drug abuse, and the addictions and/or deadly overdoses due to it.

Let me put it as simply as this...TEENS OR THOSE UNDER THE LEGAL DRINKING AGE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND WAYS TO GET HIGH. HOW ABOUT ACCEPTING THIS FACT AND AT LEAST EDUCATING THEM ON THEIR SAFEST OPTION...MARIJUANA!!!

The fact is that it's much easier for them to get their hands on Rx drugs, "OTC" drugs, household cleaning products, booze, even meth and crack in a lot of areas of the country, than it is to get a hold of God's own good green herb!!!

All these goodie goodie (and sadly, former "hippies" probably) soccer moms are freaking out and are going to march to Capitol Hill to protest Rx drugs. Well, I feel for you losses, but perhaps you should have been more forthright with your kid and explained the obvious hazards of swigging down a bottle of cough syrup mixed with an Rx narcotic!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=2237161

I'm 33, a father of 2 girls under 26 months old, and an infrequent pot smoker. And you know what...I always will be, and I'm proud of that.

As far as how to breach the subject to kids...my parents never admitted to it, nor have I ever asked them, nor have they ever came right out and asked me if I've ever used marijuana. Even after finding a bong in my little sisters travel bag, they chose the "don't ask, don't tell" route, and only occassionally made the "don't do drugs" comment as we drove back to college after a weekend at home. Meanwhile, I almost used up my 9 lives from age 18 through the college years (actually through a year ago ) with VERY unsafe alcohol induced situations.

How about being more open with kids??? Don't they deserve to know the truth? Or does every hypocrite past pot smoking parent over 40 still denounce the evils of ALL drugs?

Fuck that. I understand you don't want to be known as the "cool" parents who encourage and even provide pot to their kids, but there are worse things in life to be labeled. At least tell them the facts and hey...if they're 18 and want to get high, then give them a fucking joint every now and then if they do their chores!

I'll never forget the evening after my sister's graduation party (my bro was 23 and I was 25), when my mom forced a couple of our friends to drive home inebriated late at night versus letting them crash. Smart Mom...real fucking smart.

How about this "controversial" way to lower overdoses and drunk driving related deaths...FUCKING LEGALIZE PERSONAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION IN ALL FORMS FOR EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18!!!

Those old school idiots who run our country, who were born prior to 1950 and never got into the "hippie" revolution of the 60's, need to step aside and let the younger generations fix our nation by picking our battles and advocating safe use of marijuana versus the highly unsafe use of other chemically enhanced or produced drugs or alcohol.

Let's change this sick nation one crack baby at a time!!! I'd much rather have a nation of chilled out slackers with cases of the munchies, than a bunch of drunks and Rx, meth, and coke dependent crack heads popping out more addicted kids than they can count.

edited - double post - I think my browser is messed.

rightondude

Spartancus wrote:

This morning as I got ready for work there was a story on ABC's GMA talking about the latest epidemic facing our youths...Rx drug abuse, and the addictions and/or deadly overdoses due to it.

Let me put it as simply as this...TEENS OR THOSE UNDER THE LEGAL DRINKING AGE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND WAYS TO GET HIGH. HOW ABOUT ACCEPTING THIS FACT AND AT LEAST EDUCATING THEM ON THEIR SAFEST OPTION...MARIJUANA!!!

The fact is that it's much easier for them to get their hands on Rx drugs, "OTC" drugs, household cleaning products, booze, even meth and crack in a
lot of areas of the country, than it is to get a hold of God's own good green herb!!!

All these goodie goodie (and sadly, former "hippies" probably) soccer moms are freaking out and are going to march to Capitol Hill to protest Rx drugs. Well, I feel for you losses, but perhaps you should have been more forthright with your kid and explained the obvious hazards of swigging down a bottle of cough syrup mixed with an Rx narcotic!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=2237161

I'm 33, a father of 2 girls under 26 months old, and an infrequent pot smoker. And you know what...I always will be, and I'm proud of that.

As far as how to breach the subject to kids...my parents never admitted to it, nor have I ever asked them, nor have they ever came right out and asked me if I've ever used marijuana. Even after finding a bong in my little sisters travel bag, they chose the "don't ask, don't tell" route, and only occassionally made the "don't do drugs" comment as we drove back to college after a weekend at home. Meanwhile, I almost used up my 9 lives from age 18 through the college years (actually through a year ago ) with VERY unsafe alcohol induced situations.

How about being more open with kids??? Don't they deserve to know the truth? Or does every hypocrite past pot smoking parent over 40 still denounce the evils of ALL drugs?

Fuck that. I understand you don't want to be known as the "cool" parents who encourage and even provide pot to their kids, but there are worse things in life to be labeled. At least tell them the facts and hey...if they're 18 and want to get high, then give them a fucking joint every now and then if they do their chores!

I'll never forget the evening after my sister's graduation party (my bro was 23 and I was 25), when my mom forced a couple of our friends to drive home inebriated late at night versus letting them crash. Smart Mom...real fucking smart.

How about this "controversial" way to lower overdoses and drunk driving related deaths...FUCKING LEGALIZE PERSONAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION IN ALL FORMS FOR EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18!!!

Those old school idiots who run our country, who were born prior to 1950 and never got into the "hippie" revolution of the 60's, need to step aside and let the younger generations fix our nation by picking our battles and advocating safe use of marijuana versus the highly unsafe use of other chemically enhanced or produced drugs or alcohol.

Let's change this sick nation one crack baby at a time!!! I'd much rather have a nation of chilled out slackers with cases of the munchies, than a bunch of drunks and Rx, meth, and coke dependent crack heads popping out more addicted kids than they can count.

You sound like you're from Montreal...hehe

I say Weed and Shrooms. Because you know they're going to want to try something stronger than pot eventually. I've never heard of anyone getting addicted to mushrooms. I dare say it's totally impossible even.

Meth, Coke, Heroin. The "instant hit" killers. The uncontrollably addictive manmade drugs. Any drug that makes you badly crave it with great mental and physical discomfort (particularly while you're still coming down from it)...
that's just extremely f-ed up.

Make it so anyone can grow weed and shrooms, then sit back and watch the gang violence and drug dealers in your neighborhood disappear...

Make it so people can get a clean on buzz legally without having to go to a dealer and support gang violence in their neighborhoods.

rightondude

Spartancus wrote:

This morning as I got ready for work there was a story on ABC's GMA talking about the latest epidemic facing our youths...Rx drug abuse, and the addictions and/or deadly overdoses due to it.

Let me put it as simply as this...TEENS OR THOSE UNDER THE LEGAL DRINKING AGE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FIND WAYS TO GET HIGH. HOW ABOUT ACCEPTING THIS FACT AND AT LEAST EDUCATING THEM ON THEIR SAFEST OPTION...MARIJUANA!!!

The fact is that it's much easier for them to get their hands on Rx drugs, "OTC" drugs, household cleaning products, booze, even meth and crack in a
lot of areas of the country, than it is to get a hold of God's own good green herb!!!

All these goodie goodie (and sadly, former "hippies" probably) soccer moms are freaking out and are going to march to Capitol Hill to protest Rx drugs. Well, I feel for you losses, but perhaps you should have been more forthright with your kid and explained the obvious hazards of swigging down a bottle of cough syrup mixed with an Rx narcotic!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=2237161

I'm 33, a father of 2 girls under 26 months old, and an infrequent pot smoker. And you know what...I always will be, and I'm proud of that.

As far as how to breach the subject to kids...my parents never admitted to it, nor have I ever asked them, nor have they ever came right out and asked me if I've ever used marijuana. Even after finding a bong in my little sisters travel bag, they chose the "don't ask, don't tell" route, and only occassionally made the "don't do drugs" comment as we drove back to college after a weekend at home. Meanwhile, I almost used up my 9 lives from age 18 through the college years (actually through a year ago ) with VERY unsafe alcohol induced situations.

How about being more open with kids??? Don't they deserve to know the truth? Or does every hypocrite past pot smoking parent over 40 still denounce the evils of ALL drugs?

Fuck that. I understand you don't want to be known as the "cool" parents who encourage and even provide pot to their kids, but there are worse things in life to be labeled. At least tell them the facts and hey...if they're 18 and want to get high, then give them a fucking joint every now and then if they do their chores!

I'll never forget the evening after my sister's graduation party (my bro was 23 and I was 25), when my mom forced a couple of our friends to drive home inebriated late at night versus letting them crash. Smart Mom...real fucking smart.

How about this "controversial" way to lower overdoses and drunk driving related deaths...FUCKING LEGALIZE PERSONAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTION AND CONSUMPTION IN ALL FORMS FOR EVERYONE OVER THE AGE OF 18!!!

Those old school idiots who run our country, who were born prior to 1950 and never got into the "hippie" revolution of the 60's, need to step aside and let the younger generations fix our nation by picking our battles and advocating safe use of marijuana versus the highly unsafe use of other chemically enhanced or produced drugs or alcohol.

Let's change this sick nation one crack baby at a time!!! I'd much rather have a nation of chilled out slackers with cases of the munchies, than a bunch of drunks and Rx, meth, and coke dependent crack heads popping out more addicted kids than they can count.

edited- double post....

prytocorduroy

EvilToasterElf wrote:

I will take acid every chance I get until the day I die, but there are plenty of people I would tell not to try it.

If you don't have a solid mental foundation - in otherwords, if you're taking it to try and cope with the world around you - you're not going to have a good time - possibly a horrible mind scarring time

But if you're an overall mentally healthy person - it's going to open up your mind to a tornado of thought and experience

Same goes for mushrooms - though a little less mentally thought driven - more hallucination manipulation of what you see driven

But the whole gateway drug argument only carries a small amount of weight, because pot is a harmless activity that is a gateway to illegal activity, anyone associated with it is breaking the law, which will lead you to groups of people regularly breaking more laws, maybe hard drugs, maybe other things.

Yes, there are plenty of otherwise law abiding citizens who smoke pot, but there will always be the other elements. In otherwords pot can lead to sub-cultures which may be more extreme that you might encounter without trying pot. As I see it

I, in theory, would LOVE shrooms and acid. However I don't fancy the risk of a bad trip that will last 8 hours. I do drugs for the fun factor. I was fortunate enough to only experience good trips the few times I did it. Weed is almost always a guaranteed good "trip" if you will, and if it's bad (hardly ever - can't think of once for me, but can name bad ones for friends), that's only 2-3 hours versus a whopping 8.