EMO music is cool.....

Cree Nations · December 2006

I dont know anything about this type of music but a friend of mine told me recently that the band Neutral Milk Hotel is like EMO music, is this true?

soulsinging · December 2006

bharQ wrote:

of course its my opinion.. is that not why we are here?

it is. but you cross the line from expressing your opinion into acting like an arrogant snob when you act like it's an objective fact and anyone who feels otherwise is stupid for doing so.

bharQ · December 2006

soulsinging wrote:

it is. but you cross the line from expressing your opinion into acting like an arrogant snob when you act like it's an objective fact and anyone who feels otherwise is stupid for doing so.

its just having confidence in what you believe in.. if thats see as arrogant so be it.. i have no time for weak minded people

bharQ · December 2006

Cree Nations wrote:

I dont know anything about this type of music but a friend of mine told me recently that the band Neutral Milk Hotel is like EMO music, is this true?

They've been around a while.. they have some pretty interesting stuff.. the guy uses distortion on an acoustic guitar a lot on the album I have.. I forgot what its called.. Aeroplane over the sea?

soulsinging · December 2006

trappedinmyradio wrote:

the big difference, now, is the circumstances surrounding where these band members came from...whereas, in the 90's, most of those bands came from dysfunction, of some sort...EMO, to me, has always been manufactured grief and pain...from suburbanites that had american eagle instead of abercrombie and fitch...but, that's my opinion...i like some of it...but, if i don't like some of it it's because i just don't like the way it sounds. i don't deal well with this whole scene, category thing...i just like music that sounds good to me.

i get the feeling that is the point of the scene. they dont have any vent to their rage becos people like you say they're not ever allowed to feel bad becos look at all the stuff they have! you have to have been pumping gas and strung out on heroin to REALLY have something worth singing about. they've spent a lifetime being put on mood drugs and being told not to complain becos they've got nothing to complain about. they're getting screwed both ways becos people say "possessions arent the key to happiness" yet at the same time denying them any right to be upset becos "look at all the possessions you have."

shit, by the same token you would have to say anything brett easton ellis wrote is shit becos he was rich and grew up rich and his books are about the vacuous nature of rich life... and he shouldnt be whining cos he's rich? emo is about not being satisfied with the shit their suburban upbringing tells them will make them happy. you all agree that it doesnt make people happy, yet say these guys ahve no excuse to be unhappy cos they've got it. it's a total double standard. you're allowed to hate that lifestyle cos you never had it (envy?) but they can't hate it cos the pricks dont know how lucky they have it.

libragirl · December 2006

bharQ wrote:

AFI were a totally different band back in the day.. I used to like Art of Drowning and the albums before that

well yeah they kind of alienated their older fans, I like the new stuff though. But AOD is my favorite.

Collin · December 2006

I don't know, Ten left me speechless, the guitars, Ed's voice, the rage, the emotions... and I wasn't a teen in '92, I am a teen now(19). A lot of "grunge" bands did that to me. I never felt that way about linkin park, good charlotte and all the others (of course there were less emo bands 4 years ago). So to me it definitely wasn't about a trend or anything, I was the only guy I knew that listened to pearl jam, I needed someone to talk with about pearl jam so I came here. I have a few 16-year-old friends, they listen to the classics like led zep and pink floyd and death metal. One guy told me that today's band just didn't feel or sound honest or true. I gave him a copy of ten, he was hooked (he was pissed when he found out he missed the european tour). I mean, why is it that whenever I lend someone my pearl jam cd's they become pj fans? It's because they better musically and lyrically. People feel that their music is honest and apparently emo bands lack that quality.

soulsinging · December 2006

Collin wrote:

I don't know, Ten left me speechless, the guitars, Ed's voice, the rage, the emotions... and I wasn't a teen in '92, I am a teen now(19). A lot of "grunge" bands did that to me. I never felt that way about linkin park, good charlotte and all the others (of course there were less emo bands 4 years ago). So to me it definitely wasn't about a trend or anything, I was the only guy I knew that listened to pearl jam, I needed someone to talk with about pearl jam so I came here. I have a few 16-year-old friends, they listen to the classics like led zep and pink floyd and death metal. One guy told me that today's band just didn't feel or sound honest or true. I gave him a copy of ten, he was hooked (he was pissed when he found out he missed the european tour). I mean, why is it that whenever I lend someone my pearl jam cd's they become pj fans? It's because they better musically and lyrically. People feel that their music is honest and apparently emo bands lack that quality.

some of them do. but you're giving your buddy the best of grunge. what about the dozens of grunge clones that followed in pj's wake? that's why we hate emo. we see the most mediocre pretenders of it. it'd be like handing someone a seven mary three cd and saying these guys are total alternative man. they rock! they'd think you were nuts. time has weeded out the bad grunge imitators and the only ones anyone remembers or listens to are the good ones. look at a band like blind melon... nobody knew them then, now people hear after the hype and wondered that they missed it. this is what emo is now. emo bands are being signed left and right, good or bad. so we see a ton of shit. but with time, the crappy ones will be gone and we'll see that emo was the same as every other movement... a label applied to sell magazines, with some great bands and a dozen charicatures. there is good emo out there and time will show it. all im saying is nobody should close their ears to good music just becos of the label applied to it.

and now im gonna go home and listen to 'clarity' by jimmy eat world.

bharQ · December 2006

People used to call At The Drive-In emo when they first started getting popular.

They are in my mind the greatest band of the late 90s.

there is a great Cedric quote on the term "emo".. I can't find it but the just of it is how stupid it is to throw names like that on bands.. if you are truly passionate about your music how can that not come from true emotion..

mookie_in_eugene · December 2006

soulsinging wrote:

a lot of bands have fans blowing cos it's fucking hot on that stage in front of the lights. watch tb2k. there's a fan blowing during long road.

Sure, but the way it was described and the videos of 30Secs, I tend to think they're being more theatrical. That's ok if a person likes that, but doesn't it seem a bit pretentious.

soulsinging · December 2006

bharQ wrote:

People used to call At The Drive-In emo when they first started getting popular.

They are in my mind the greatest band of the late 90s.

there is a great Cedric quote on the term "emo".. I can't find it but the just of it is how stupid it is to throw names like that on bands.. if you are truly passionate about your music how can that not come from true emotion..

so there you have it. good coming from emo. a few diamonds amongst the crap. and yeah, the label is stupid. so was grunge. yet you still use it as a reason to dismiss a dozen bands you wont even listen to becos you saw a picture of them and saw emo in the tagline.

mdigenakis · December 2006

Emotional Rock Music can define many bands and genres. Popular "Emo" music today is a mixture of various punk influences and The Cure (<Good point made earlier in this thread).

BetterManningNYG · December 2006

i really don't have the energy to read through this entire thread. i'm sure it's just a lot of mindless complaining back and forth. i don't like mindless complaining. that's why i don't listen to emo.

anyhow, while i'm assuming that some of the following points have already been made, here are the best reasons i can think of why i personally cannot listen to emo:

1) LYRICAL CONTENT: i'm 25. the shortcomings of the high school social scene are not of particular concern to me. obviously, a high school kid would have a different opinion about this. but let me ask you a question: how many signed emo bands are still in high school? none that i can think of, although i certainly don't follow emo closely enough to know for sure. i would estimate that the average emo "musician" is roughly the same age as me. so are these guys really that bitter about their high school experiences that they feel the need to express their angst 5-10 years afterwards? that is just about the lamest thing i can think of. most people get over the high school phase of their life after they leave high school, usually having realized that there's a whole world out there. does it make you feel special to lyrically pick on a bunch of kids who are ten years younger than you? get over yourself. i can assure you that your classmates all did.

the lyrics tend to come across as whiny, too. i've always felt that the point of writing personal lyrics was to give the listener something that they can relate to. you want them to be able to analyze your words within the context of their own lives. but emo singers just whine to the point where you don't want to hear it anymore. i don't really care that your girlfriend won't fuck you anymore. this does not affect me. try writing songs that help the listener deal with his/her own problems rather than just making them aware of yours.

2) GUITAR PRESENCE: hello? is there anybody out there? turn up your volume, i can't hear you! on most emo tracks that i've heard, the guitars are mixed so low that they serve only as a background effect rather than as a driving force. i suspect that this is partially done to hide the guitarists' lack of ability. but a lot of these bands have two or even three guitarists (e.g. hawthorne heights). why do you need three guitars to produce a background effect that most bands could produce with just one?!? it's entirely possible that the purpose of these superfluous guitarists is just for stage presence. it makes the bands appear more like rock bands and less like pop bands. if you want to be in a pop band, be in a pop band... that's your business. but don't give me a TRL-fucking-pop album and tell me it's rock.

and another thing about the way they mix the guitars... have you SEEN some of these guitars?!? PRS custom 24s, gibson firebirds, etc... hell, the lead singer of fallout boy plays a fucking 1967 SG custom re-issue (or at least i hope to god it's a re-issue). what's the point of bringing a $3,500 guitar on stage if nobody is gonna hear it? i guess you can say that it's an image thing but here's the bottom line: somebody much more talented than yourself spent a hell of a lot of time hand-building that guitar for you. turn up the fucking volume and give that instrument the respect that it deserves. the art that is created by gibson's custom shop is much more legit than the art that is created by any fucking pop band.

will somebody please correct me and tell me that his SG custom is actually an epiphone? i think it's a gibson but i really haven't looked that closely.

i do recognize the fact that not everyone reading this will be bothered by the guitar mixing as much as i am... again, personal opinion.

3) FURTHER BASTARDIZATION OF PUNK CULTURE: this is not necessarily an issue that specifically involves music. punk culture was created as a way to rebel against mainstream society, which is why i feel that "pop punk" is a completely contradictory term. emo is just another example of pop punk, and i refuse to recognize any attempt to reduce punk culture to a mainstream trend. obviously i understand that there's money involved, but any type of music that you put on TRL will automatically sell a million copies... so why mess with punk?

i apologize for my rant, but hopefully my points make a little bit of sense beyond just saying "FUCK EMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!" i guess it's really not necessary to say anything at all, since i can't imagine that emo will stand the test of time, but whatever... it is what it is...

BetterManningNYG · December 2006

mdigenakis wrote:

Emotional Rock Music can define many bands and genres. Popular "Emo" music today is a mixture of various punk influences and The Cure (<Good point made earlier in this thread).

exactly. not all emotional music is emo. b.b. king is not emo.

fanch75 · December 2006

mookie_in_eugene wrote:

Sure, but the way it was described and the videos of 30Secs, I tend to think they're being more theatrical. That's ok if a person likes that, but doesn't it seem a bit pretentious.

I think this person needs to watch a circa-1977 Kiss show and get set straight on theatrical rock.

tonadax · December 2006

i´m 25 , from gen x? and actually i like a few ´´emo´´and ´´nu metal´´ rock bands-cd´s...
At the drive in, Deftones, Korn, AFI ´´pre december´´ The used ´´self tittled album´´, Trivium, Sistem of a down, Glassjaw- worship and tribute
,Seether...

young people always try to get angry old people..... rebels? that´s their nature....

reversedarwinism · December 2006

well, there sure has been a lot said.......

i've read it all and one person who wrote alot said something about the guitar volume and i agree. that is a huge factor for me. i need it loud and i need it clear. not just a low wall of sound. and the voice is probably most important aspect, well equal to the guitar, but most important is the whole package. lyrics don't really mean that much. i don't fuckin know i'm drunk at this wonderful point in time.

here is the main point:
at first i thought all this emo attitude was silly, i still think that, but i see all these hot emo chicks and i've always liked the dark, goth, punk look so its really turning me on. so now i'm hooking up with emo chicks and, yes, i still call them "nemo". they are great. i suggest you try some. just tell them whatever they want to hear, like in every situation.

dan_vedder · December 2006

BetterManningNYG wrote:

i really don't have the energy to read through this entire thread. i'm sure it's just a lot of mindless complaining back and forth. i don't like mindless complaining. that's why i don't listen to emo.

anyhow, while i'm assuming that some of the following points have already been made, here are the best reasons i can think of why i personally cannot listen to emo:

1) LYRICAL CONTENT: i'm 25. the shortcomings of the high school social scene are not of particular concern to me. obviously, a high school kid would have a different opinion about this. but let me ask you a question: how many signed emo bands are still in high school? none that i can think of, although i certainly don't follow emo closely enough to know for sure. i would estimate that the average emo "musician" is roughly the same age as me. so are these guys really that bitter about their high school experiences that they feel the need to express their angst 5-10 years afterwards? that is just about the lamest thing i can think of. most people get over the high school phase of their life after they leave high school, usually having realized that there's a whole world out there. does it make you feel special to lyrically pick on a bunch of kids who are ten years younger than you? get over yourself. i can assure you that your classmates all did.

the lyrics tend to come across as whiny, too. i've always felt that the point of writing personal lyrics was to give the listener something that they can relate to. you want them to be able to analyze your words within the context of their own lives. but emo singers just whine to the point where you don't want to hear it anymore. i don't really care that your girlfriend won't fuck you anymore. this does not affect me. try writing songs that help the listener deal with his/her own problems rather than just making them aware of yours.

2) GUITAR PRESENCE: hello? is there anybody out there? turn up your volume, i can't hear you! on most emo tracks that i've heard, the guitars are mixed so low that they serve only as a background effect rather than as a driving force. i suspect that this is partially done to hide the guitarists' lack of ability. but a lot of these bands have two or even three guitarists (e.g. hawthorne heights). why do you need three guitars to produce a background effect that most bands could produce with just one?!? it's entirely possible that the purpose of these superfluous guitarists is just for stage presence. it makes the bands appear more like rock bands and less like pop bands. if you want to be in a pop band, be in a pop band... that's your business. but don't give me a TRL-fucking-pop album and tell me it's rock.

and another thing about the way they mix the guitars... have you SEEN some of these guitars?!? PRS custom 24s, gibson firebirds, etc... hell, the lead singer of fallout boy plays a fucking 1967 SG custom re-issue (or at least i hope to god it's a re-issue). what's the point of bringing a $3,500 guitar on stage if nobody is gonna hear it? i guess you can say that it's an image thing but here's the bottom line: somebody much more talented than yourself spent a hell of a lot of time hand-building that guitar for you. turn up the fucking volume and give that instrument the respect that it deserves. the art that is created by gibson's custom shop is much more legit than the art that is created by any fucking pop band.

will somebody please correct me and tell me that his SG custom is actually an epiphone? i think it's a gibson but i really haven't looked that closely.

i do recognize the fact that not everyone reading this will be bothered by the guitar mixing as much as i am... again, personal opinion.

3) FURTHER BASTARDIZATION OF PUNK CULTURE: this is not necessarily an issue that specifically involves music. punk culture was created as a way to rebel against mainstream society, which is why i feel that "pop punk" is a completely contradictory term. emo is just another example of pop punk, and i refuse to recognize any attempt to reduce punk culture to a mainstream trend. obviously i understand that there's money involved, but any type of music that you put on TRL will automatically sell a million copies... so why mess with punk?

i apologize for my rant, but hopefully my points make a little bit of sense beyond just saying "FUCK EMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!" i guess it's really not necessary to say anything at all, since i can't imagine that emo will stand the test of time, but whatever... it is what it is...

What he said!!! I'm with you man...FUCK EMOS (not liturally unless there hot emo chicks, I dig that haha)

Brisk. · December 2006

the cure are fucking immense
i dont think they are emo ??

Collin · December 2006

soulsinging wrote:

some of them do. but you're giving your buddy the best of grunge. what about the dozens of grunge clones that followed in pj's wake? that's why we hate emo. we see the most mediocre pretenders of it. it'd be like handing someone a seven mary three cd and saying these guys are total alternative man. they rock! they'd think you were nuts. time has weeded out the bad grunge imitators and the only ones anyone remembers or listens to are the good ones. look at a band like blind melon... nobody knew them then, now people hear after the hype and wondered that they missed it. this is what emo is now. emo bands are being signed left and right, good or bad. so we see a ton of shit. but with time, the crappy ones will be gone and we'll see that emo was the same as every other movement... a label applied to sell magazines, with some great bands and a dozen charicatures. there is good emo out there and time will show it. all im saying is nobody should close their ears to good music just becos of the label applied to it.

and now im gonna go home and listen to 'clarity' by jimmy eat world.

Good points.

EMO music is cool.....

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