whatever.. 30 year olds that DIDNT latch on to the early 90s music were the ones missing out.. the ones that did were there because it was real music and not 80s hair metal shit.. they didn't give a fuck about it being the "trendy" music or an excuse to wear doc martins.. the reason we all hate the music the kids are listening to right now is because it is quite simply terrible.
But they think it's the best stuff out there, I'm sure most of us listened to some stuff we'd be ashamed to admit to now, when I was 13/14 I was into Blink 182 and I thought it was the best, most real form of music out there, now I can't even look at one of their records. I blame the music media for their utter lack of variety and eagerness to sell artists for their breast size/image as opposed to their talent. To some of the youth of today, EMO is the fuck you to all the Britney Spears, Black Eyed Peas and Gwen Stefani's out there because they can see through the wool pop stars who don't write songs or play instruments are trying to pull over their eyes. I think it is bad music also, but if I hadn't taken the time to introduce myself to all the music I like today and had been listening to all the garbage on MuchMusic (like a Canadian MTV if anyone doesn't know) I might look at it differently. Developing a taste in music is as much about being educated as anything else, if they really have a passion for music as an artform, they will eventually explore outside of the emo genre and if they are anything like me it will open up a brand new world to them.
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
But they think it's the best stuff out there, I'm sure most of us listened to some stuff we'd be ashamed to admit to now, when I was 13/14 I was into Blink 182 and I thought it was the best, most real form of music out there, now I can't even look at one of their records.
This, I have never understood. Can't we keep that youthfull innocence where music is valid simply because it's fun & entertaining? Music doesn't have to be educational, or express some deep meaning abuot the loss of the Hutu or the emotions of snails when they are stepped on in order to be valid.
This, I have never understood. Can't we keep that youthfull innocence where music is valid simply because it's fun & entertaining? Music doesn't have to be educational, or express some deep meaning abuot the loss of the Hutu or the emotions of snails when they are stepped on in order to be valid.
That sounds cool = valid.
If that's what you use music for fine.
The learning, experiencing and considering music a form of art is for musical appreciation.
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
The learning, experiencing and considering music a form of art is for musical appreciation.
bah, let the damn kids listen what they want to, this thread leads nowhere, if you don't like this music, just don't listen to it, i don't give a flying fuck about what others are listening (why would I?)...
I'm sure it is possible to find good emo music bands, but as in most music genre, what is popular and playing on the radio is usually crap, but damn many people DO listen to music just for entertainment...
"L'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers"
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
bah, let the damn kids listen what they want to, this thread leads nowhere, if you don't like this music, just don't listen to it, i don't give a flying fuck about what others are listening (why would I?)...
I'm sure it is possible to find good emo music bands, but as in most music genre, what is popular and playing on the radio is usually crap, but damn many people DO listen to music just for entertainment...
Not sure where my post contrasts this. I believe I said
if they really have a passion for music as an artform, they will eventually explore outside of the emo genre and if they are anything like me it will open up a brand new world to them.
didn't say everyone should look beyond music only as a form of entertainment, just that I do, and some who currently listen to emo will. There's also nothing saying you can't do both.
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
This thread is completely RIDICULOUS....a bunch of thirty-somethings complaining about the music of the youth of this generation..
I'm 22 and think it's going to the dogs. Some of the music produced by MCR, FOB and Panic is just awful. Really really glossy, sugary over-American almost disneyfied pre-packaged angst.
Don't get me wrong I like my depressing music at times but at least people like Dylan, Young, Damien Rice, Ryan Adams sing from their heart.
Its not so much the Emo fans I dislike its the bands themselves, I mean how old is that hyperactive twat from MCR?
'The more I studied religions the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.' - Sir Richard Francis Burton
The learning, experiencing and considering music a form of art is for musical appreciation.
That's all cool, but its necessarily not a zero-sum game. You can like one thing, and still like something else. You can enjoy a nice steak, but cheese cake tastes good, too. One may be more filling and have substance, but damn it the desert just tastes good. That's my approach. I like it all and music doesn't need to make me think about geometry (metaphorically speaking) in order to like it.
There's no right or wrong to any of this - it's all personal preference; I just found it hard to believe that you got such a joy from simple "less meaningful" music of your youth, and now it sickens you to look at their CD's. It's not like you're an idiot for liking something.
In the end, we all like what we like, and that's it.
That's all cool, but its necessarily not a zero-sum game. You can like one thing, and still like something else. You can enjoy a nice steak, but cheese cake tastes good, too. One may be more filling and have substance, but damn it the desert just tastes good. That's my approach. I like it all and music doesn't need to make me think about geometry (metaphorically speaking) in order to like it.
There's no right or wrong to any of this - it's all personal preference; I just found it hard to believe that you got such a joy from simple "less meaningful" music of your youth, and now it sickens you to look at their CD's. It's not like you're an idiot for liking something.
In the end, we all like what we like, and that's it.
Even Emo.
I guess.
haha
I can absolutely agree to that
Which came first,
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
you mean like in that song black where the singer is moaning about how he'll have to live with the knowledge that the love of his life will be happier with another man?
Ed wasnt 16 and it wasnt sang like a prepubescent crybaby....i think its a little more credible to hear from a man in his late 20's about losing the love of his life compared to a 16 year olds first girlfriend leaving him
There is nothing remotely similar between Nirvana todays crop of bands such as My Chemical Romance etc who are TOTALLY based on image.
If anything PJ and Nirvana were and stiil are the very antithisis of this dire movement. Yes Kurt sang 'Paaaaaiiiinnnnn'. He sang it from his fuckin heart. 'Grunge', and i use that term cautiously, was about not having an image, about being yourself. It wasn't about wearing your sisters black jeans, having £30 styled haircuts and pretending your sad.
I have to admit, Ive totally lost faith in rock music today and Im only 22. Give my artists such as Damien Rice, Bjork, Radiohead and Tom Waits anyday.
damien rice is as sad, angsty and emo as it gets. and grunge WAS about fashion... maybe you dont remember it. everyone in the country growing long hair and buying pre-torn jeans and wearing flannel and doc martens. every trendy wave of music is the same way. grunge was that way, then alternatve, then that punk/ska crap, now emo.
Plus, image aside, Emo's dreadful, musically makes Greenday sound like Pink Floyd.
musically, ill agree with you. i dont care for the emo sound. but you dont know if those people are singing it from the heart. you only know ed is becos you get all misty when he sings the song you cried to when you were 13 and the girl wouldnt go to the dance with you. that's a totally arbitrary standard and your hatred of emo is pure snobbery. the music sucks, but you try to act like that's an objective thing, that you dont like it for objective reasons and anyone who does is stupid and inferior to your awesome tastes.
whatever.. 30 year olds that DIDNT latch on to the early 90s music were the ones missing out.. the ones that did were there because it was real music and not 80s hair metal shit.. they didn't give a fuck about it being the "trendy" music or an excuse to wear doc martins.. the reason we all hate the music the kids are listening to right now is because it is quite simply terrible.
bullshit. 'ten' sold over 10 million copies. you think every single one of those people thought it was deep and meaningful? then why have the last 3 albums sold barely 1 million combined? most of those people bought it cos the hits were on the radio and they wanted to fit in. half started wearing flannel and acted outraged at the world. the other half thought jeremy made for a bad ass singalong at the frat party. get over yourself and quit trying to rewrite history.
Ed wasnt 16 and it wasnt sang like a prepubescent crybaby....i think its a little more credible to hear from a man in his late 20's about losing the love of his life compared to a 16 year olds first girlfriend leaving him
ed was in his early 20s at the time. he was younger than i am now. the fact this his voice is a baritone and deeper than the avg emo singer does not mean they have no emotion when they sing. it might make him a better singer though.
but you dont know if those people are singing it from the heart. .
of course they aren't... you can tell by them lacking any kind of message in their interviews.. you can tell by reading their lyrics which anyone could write.. you can tell by how easy their music is to write (I could even teach someone as unmusically inclined as you to play the shit they write).. and you can tell by them not in any way being genuine
soulsinging you've proved enough times you clearly have no grasp of music whatsoever so its only fitting you would limp "Black" in the same category.
becos i dont like soundgarden? sorry dont think so. i love black, always have. but it's probly becos when i was 17 and listening to it it fucking resonated with me. this music is resonating with people now. what's so awful about that? when i got turned onto pearl jam... the other bands i was listening to were bush, collective soul, live, aerosmith, counting crows, hootie and the blowfish, sherly crow. why? cos they sounded better than the pop crap that was the alternative. some of those bands i still like (foo fighters, silverchair), but most were just a passing fancy that nonetheless turned me onto great music down the line. maybe the kid's listening to MCR today. and that will turn him onto somebody else who will take him back to the greats. i didnt know who the who were until pearl jam. emo will have the same effect. the bands that dont have it will fade and be remembered by a greatest hits collection in the clearance bin. the handful of bands that do will still be kicking. just like we're all still listening to pearl jam while many of their pretender contemporaries are gone. emo is the same way. as a movement, it is no different than grunge. there's a handful of good in there, and a mountain of crap. as you have in any major rock movement.
becos i dont like soundgarden? sorry dont think so. i love black, always have. but it's probly becos when i was 17 and listening to it it fucking resonated with me. this music is resonating with people now. what's so awful about that? when i got turned onto pearl jam... the other bands i was listening to were bush, collective soul, live, aerosmith, counting crows, hootie and the blowfish, sherly crow. why? cos they sounded better than the pop crap that was the alternative. some of those bands i still like (foo fighters, silverchair), but most were just a passing fancy that nonetheless turned me onto great music down the line. maybe the kid's listening to MCR today. and that will turn him onto somebody else who will take him back to the greats. i didnt know who the who were until pearl jam. emo will have the same effect. the bands that dont have it will fade and be remembered by a greatest hits collection in the clearance bin. the handful of bands that do will still be kicking. just like we're all still listening to pearl jam while many of their pretender contemporaries are gone. emo is the same way. as a movement, it is no different than grunge. there's a handful of good in there, and a mountain of crap. as you have in any major rock movement.
of course they aren't... you can tell by them lacking any kind of message in their interviews.. you can tell by reading their lyrics which anyone could write.. you can tell by how easy their music is to write (I could even teach someone as unmusically inclined as you to play the shit they write).. and you can tell by them not in any way being genuine
ernest hemingway didnt write anything complicated. a child could have constructed his sentenes. how "deep" a lyric is has as much to do with its reception as its expression. ed sounded insufferably sanctimonious in his early interviews and these guys are having trouble expressing themselves too. they say the ramones used about 2 chords throughout their entire career, yet you're lining up to kiss their ass im sure. the only pathetic thing in this thread is your sad need for external validation of your musical tastes to inflate your self-esteem.
precisely my point. sadly, i wasn't born with a velvet undeground lp wedged into my uptight arsehole like *some* posters here. i had to start somewhere and work my way up to built to spill, elliott smith and the new pornographers.
the only pathetic thing in this thread is your sad need for external validation of your musical tastes to inflate your self-esteem.
well clearly the proof of that is evidently exultant and triumphant or in the words of Gertrude Stein.. "Out of kindness comes redness and out of rudeness comes rapid same question, out of an eye comes research, out of selection comes painful cattle."
As meaningful as that probably wasn't it does shed some light on how little your posts usually have to do with music.
Ahhh so that's what EMO is. I asked what it is a few pages ago and thanks for all the links.
Don't forget about the alterna-rap fad that also happened in the late 90's (and early 2000's).
Flock of Seagulls...a great reference for the AFI guy.
What's great about PJ is that they lasted through the fad of "grunge", because they had musical talent (and because Ed and Stone didn't kill each other...but that would have been a great celebrity death match).
Now I understand the whole EMO look. Ehr, I mean I now know what kids these days are calling "skaters" from the 90's.
BTW - Nemo for EMO that's great. EMO -> Elmo???
"Underneath this smile lies everything - all my hopes, anger, pride and shame."
damien rice is as sad, angsty and emo as it gets. and grunge WAS about fashion... maybe you dont remember it. everyone in the country growing long hair and buying pre-torn jeans and wearing flannel and doc martens. every trendy wave of music is the same way. grunge was that way, then alternatve, then that punk/ska crap, now emo.
really is incredible how keen your fashion sense was at 10 years old
well clearly the proof of that is evidently exultant and triumphant or in the words of Gertrude Stein.. "Out of kindness comes redness and out of rudeness comes rapid same question, out of an eye comes research, out of selection comes painful cattle."
As meaningful as that probably wasn't it does shed some light on how little your posts usually have to do with music.
my posts have to do with history, sociology, and the fact that you're a self-righteous prat.
really is incredible how keen your fashion sense was at 10 years old
you'd have had to be blind not to see it, even if i didnt understand it. or read any article from that time period. watch any movie or interview. iwhat's incredible is how dull your mind is to not see anything beyond your own biases.
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But they think it's the best stuff out there, I'm sure most of us listened to some stuff we'd be ashamed to admit to now, when I was 13/14 I was into Blink 182 and I thought it was the best, most real form of music out there, now I can't even look at one of their records. I blame the music media for their utter lack of variety and eagerness to sell artists for their breast size/image as opposed to their talent. To some of the youth of today, EMO is the fuck you to all the Britney Spears, Black Eyed Peas and Gwen Stefani's out there because they can see through the wool pop stars who don't write songs or play instruments are trying to pull over their eyes. I think it is bad music also, but if I hadn't taken the time to introduce myself to all the music I like today and had been listening to all the garbage on MuchMusic (like a Canadian MTV if anyone doesn't know) I might look at it differently. Developing a taste in music is as much about being educated as anything else, if they really have a passion for music as an artform, they will eventually explore outside of the emo genre and if they are anything like me it will open up a brand new world to them.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
This, I have never understood. Can't we keep that youthfull innocence where music is valid simply because it's fun & entertaining? Music doesn't have to be educational, or express some deep meaning abuot the loss of the Hutu or the emotions of snails when they are stepped on in order to be valid.
That sounds cool = valid.
If that's what you use music for fine.
The learning, experiencing and considering music a form of art is for musical appreciation.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
bah, let the damn kids listen what they want to, this thread leads nowhere, if you don't like this music, just don't listen to it, i don't give a flying fuck about what others are listening (why would I?)...
I'm sure it is possible to find good emo music bands, but as in most music genre, what is popular and playing on the radio is usually crap, but damn many people DO listen to music just for entertainment...
-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Not sure where my post contrasts this. I believe I said
didn't say everyone should look beyond music only as a form of entertainment, just that I do, and some who currently listen to emo will. There's also nothing saying you can't do both.
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
I'm 22 and think it's going to the dogs. Some of the music produced by MCR, FOB and Panic is just awful. Really really glossy, sugary over-American almost disneyfied pre-packaged angst.
Don't get me wrong I like my depressing music at times but at least people like Dylan, Young, Damien Rice, Ryan Adams sing from their heart.
Its not so much the Emo fans I dislike its the bands themselves, I mean how old is that hyperactive twat from MCR?
That's all cool, but its necessarily not a zero-sum game. You can like one thing, and still like something else. You can enjoy a nice steak, but cheese cake tastes good, too. One may be more filling and have substance, but damn it the desert just tastes good. That's my approach. I like it all and music doesn't need to make me think about geometry (metaphorically speaking) in order to like it.
There's no right or wrong to any of this - it's all personal preference; I just found it hard to believe that you got such a joy from simple "less meaningful" music of your youth, and now it sickens you to look at their CD's. It's not like you're an idiot for liking something.
In the end, we all like what we like, and that's it.
Even Emo.
I guess.
haha
I can absolutely agree to that
the bad idea or me befallen by it?
Ed wasnt 16 and it wasnt sang like a prepubescent crybaby....i think its a little more credible to hear from a man in his late 20's about losing the love of his life compared to a 16 year olds first girlfriend leaving him
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
damien rice is as sad, angsty and emo as it gets. and grunge WAS about fashion... maybe you dont remember it. everyone in the country growing long hair and buying pre-torn jeans and wearing flannel and doc martens. every trendy wave of music is the same way. grunge was that way, then alternatve, then that punk/ska crap, now emo.
musically, ill agree with you. i dont care for the emo sound. but you dont know if those people are singing it from the heart. you only know ed is becos you get all misty when he sings the song you cried to when you were 13 and the girl wouldnt go to the dance with you. that's a totally arbitrary standard and your hatred of emo is pure snobbery. the music sucks, but you try to act like that's an objective thing, that you dont like it for objective reasons and anyone who does is stupid and inferior to your awesome tastes.
bullshit. 'ten' sold over 10 million copies. you think every single one of those people thought it was deep and meaningful? then why have the last 3 albums sold barely 1 million combined? most of those people bought it cos the hits were on the radio and they wanted to fit in. half started wearing flannel and acted outraged at the world. the other half thought jeremy made for a bad ass singalong at the frat party. get over yourself and quit trying to rewrite history.
ed was in his early 20s at the time. he was younger than i am now. the fact this his voice is a baritone and deeper than the avg emo singer does not mean they have no emotion when they sing. it might make him a better singer though.
of course they aren't... you can tell by them lacking any kind of message in their interviews.. you can tell by reading their lyrics which anyone could write.. you can tell by how easy their music is to write (I could even teach someone as unmusically inclined as you to play the shit they write).. and you can tell by them not in any way being genuine
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
well the world would be a better place...
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
becos i dont like soundgarden? sorry dont think so. i love black, always have. but it's probly becos when i was 17 and listening to it it fucking resonated with me. this music is resonating with people now. what's so awful about that? when i got turned onto pearl jam... the other bands i was listening to were bush, collective soul, live, aerosmith, counting crows, hootie and the blowfish, sherly crow. why? cos they sounded better than the pop crap that was the alternative. some of those bands i still like (foo fighters, silverchair), but most were just a passing fancy that nonetheless turned me onto great music down the line. maybe the kid's listening to MCR today. and that will turn him onto somebody else who will take him back to the greats. i didnt know who the who were until pearl jam. emo will have the same effect. the bands that dont have it will fade and be remembered by a greatest hits collection in the clearance bin. the handful of bands that do will still be kicking. just like we're all still listening to pearl jam while many of their pretender contemporaries are gone. emo is the same way. as a movement, it is no different than grunge. there's a handful of good in there, and a mountain of crap. as you have in any major rock movement.
wow those are some shitty bands
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
ernest hemingway didnt write anything complicated. a child could have constructed his sentenes. how "deep" a lyric is has as much to do with its reception as its expression. ed sounded insufferably sanctimonious in his early interviews and these guys are having trouble expressing themselves too. they say the ramones used about 2 chords throughout their entire career, yet you're lining up to kiss their ass im sure. the only pathetic thing in this thread is your sad need for external validation of your musical tastes to inflate your self-esteem.
precisely my point. sadly, i wasn't born with a velvet undeground lp wedged into my uptight arsehole like *some* posters here. i had to start somewhere and work my way up to built to spill, elliott smith and the new pornographers.
i don't even know what this thread is about, but i must say that you are right on with this!
from my window to yours
well clearly the proof of that is evidently exultant and triumphant or in the words of Gertrude Stein.. "Out of kindness comes redness and out of rudeness comes rapid same question, out of an eye comes research, out of selection comes painful cattle."
As meaningful as that probably wasn't it does shed some light on how little your posts usually have to do with music.
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
he certainly is good at changing the subject to things he does know a lot about..
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
Don't forget about the alterna-rap fad that also happened in the late 90's (and early 2000's).
Flock of Seagulls...a great reference for the AFI guy.
What's great about PJ is that they lasted through the fad of "grunge", because they had musical talent (and because Ed and Stone didn't kill each other...but that would have been a great celebrity death match).
Now I understand the whole EMO look. Ehr, I mean I now know what kids these days are calling "skaters" from the 90's.
BTW - Nemo for EMO that's great. EMO -> Elmo???
really is incredible how keen your fashion sense was at 10 years old
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
my posts have to do with history, sociology, and the fact that you're a self-righteous prat.
you'd have had to be blind not to see it, even if i didnt understand it. or read any article from that time period. watch any movie or interview. iwhat's incredible is how dull your mind is to not see anything beyond your own biases.
here's a tissue
08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
LOL
That really made me LOL. That one was good, C.