Sun Symbols, Society, Ancient History, and Barack Obama...

DriftingByTheStorm

redrock wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The Cross of Lorraine in their logo is extremely well associated with the Templars, hermeticism, and the ancient noble bloodlines of Europe.

....


Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it."
do your homework,
tell me i'm wrong.
I'd love to be.

Do me a favour.... educate yourself about the Croix de Lorraine (or, technically, the Croix Partriarcale), what it is, what it represents and why it is associated with the templars/crusades/'ancient noble bloodlines of Europe' (mainly French, you will find and mainly the Anjou family for very obvious reasons).

Once you understand this, you will be debunking your theories yourself.

Thank you.

i'm not sure i follow.
i am no great scholar, surely,
but from what i can make of this the Knights Templar arose out of The Holy Crusades, as sort of protectors of the newly accquired Holy Land of Jerusalem. For a period of a few hundred years they served seemingly as the elite defenders of the realm, after having proven themselves mass murderers by taking part of the capture of Jerusalem which involved the wholesale slaughter of a town of 70,000+ Muslims AND Jews.

At the Temple of Solomon, Raymond d'Aguiler, a historian and participant of that first crusade, says thus:
"Wonderful sights were to be seen. Some of our men (and this was more merciful) cut off the heads of their enemies; others shot them with arrows, so that they fell from the towers; others tortured them longer by casting them into flames. Piles of heads, hands and feet were to be seen in the streets of the city. It was necessary to pick one's way over the bodies of men and horses. But these were small matters compared tow hat happened at the Temple of Solomon, a place where religious services are normally chanted ... in the temple and the porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins."
Now before i even jump in to critique of the LATER history of the Templars, lets just stop here, about 20 years or so shy of their actual formation. THIS is what the Templars were part of. Slaughter for profit in the name of "god" in the "holy land". Right there YOU'VE LOST ME.

What respect was i supposed to have for this order?
This order formed to serve and protect a land so begotten through plunder and slaughter?

Now lets consider what HAPPENED to the Templars.

They serve out a reign of around 200 years from around 1100 to 1300 before the King Philip Le Bel (?) and the Pope (Clement V) had them rounded up and tortured as part of the inquisition and then had them killed.

So how did they go from protectors of the holy land to murdered at the hands of the state and church?

Why of course their beliefs, through way of their privilege which led to esoteric knowledge, had changed drastically in the course of those 200 years. The Knights learned about the Cabala (Kabbalah), about ancient mystical "knowledge" and ultimately became involved with "luciferian" or, that is to say, what the every-day "christian" would view as a truly perverse reinterpretation of that religion.

It is a similar story and it should be, because after the Templar Knights were ostensibly exterminated, their remnants fled to Scotland and hid themselves inside the insular organizations of "the Wall Builders lodges", groups that latter became known as "Freemasons" and that particular branch of which is known as "Scottish Rite Freemasonry".

I could go on, but that is what books are for.

What is it exactly that i am supposed to know about the cross, the knights, and why they are such a valiant order that would NEVER be associated with something like Global Revolution, the overthrow of traditional religon & belief structures, or secretive planing of plots?

I don't get it.
Enlighten me please.

Lizard

i wish i had that 20 min. of my life back!!!

redrock

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

redrock wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The Cross of Lorraine in their logo is extremely well associated with the Templars, hermeticism, and the ancient noble bloodlines of Europe.

....


Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it."
do your homework,
tell me i'm wrong.
I'd love to be.

Do me a favour.... educate yourself about the Croix de Lorraine (or, technically, the Croix Partriarcale), what it is, what it represents and why it is associated with the templars/crusades/'ancient noble bloodlines of Europe' (mainly French, you will find and mainly the Anjou family for very obvious reasons).

Once you understand this, you will be debunking your theories yourself.

Thank you.

i'm not sure i follow.
i am no great scholar, surely,

What is it exactly that i am supposed to know about the cross, the knights, and why they are such a valiant order that would NEVER be associated with something like Global Revolution, the overthrow of traditional religon & belief structures, or secretive planing of plots?

I don't get it.
Enlighten me please.

As I said... educate yourself about the history of the CROIX DE LORRAINE, what it is, where it comes from, it's 'path', etc. I did NOT say the templars / crusaders' history but the CROIX DE LORRAINE's history and understand why it is associated to the people/groups you quote. You will then understand why your statement "Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it." is ridiculous. You seem to be able to google quite well... use that skill.

dunkman

Lizard wrote:

i wish i had that 20 min. of my life back!!!

nice Dodgers logo... the ball is the sun... check the rays coming down.

Kel Varnsen

So where do the reverse vampires fit into all of this?

dustinpardue

drifting by the storm is the man! Keep posting, I'll keep reading for sure.

Commy

random wrote:

As I said... educate yourself about the history of the CROIX DE LORRAINE, what it is, where it comes from, it's 'path', etc. I did NOT say the templars / crusaders' history but the CROIX DE LORRAINE's history and understand why it is associated to the people/groups you quote. You will then understand why your statement "Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it." is ridiculous. You seem to be able to google quite well... use that skill.

if you expect to be taken seriously you need to make your own points....."educate yourself" is about as useful as "your an idiot".

what are you trying to say?

DriftingByTheStorm

Commy wrote:

random wrote:

As I said... educate yourself about the history of the CROIX DE LORRAINE, what it is, where it comes from, it's 'path', etc. I did NOT say the templars / crusaders' history but the CROIX DE LORRAINE's history and understand why it is associated to the people/groups you quote. You will then understand why your statement "Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it." is ridiculous. You seem to be able to google quite well... use that skill.

if you expect to be taken seriously you need to make your own points....."educate yourself" is about as useful as "your an idiot".

what are you trying to say?

I wish i knew, Commy.

I tried following up on his vague command -- looking in to the "Anjou" family.

Best i can tell, his contention is that the Croix Lorraine comes in to the fold by way of early or just slightly pre enlightenment era french nobility coat of arms, and that the primary family originally tied to this cross was one that was a strong supporter of the arts, the Renaissance, and generally supportive of liberty over tyranny.

The actual trail of facts i found was bone thin though, and i certainly failed at tying the earliest uses of the cross back to that family. I failed at finding anything substantial to vindicate its use within this whole thousand layered onion of a riddle.

To be honest, i'm not even sure it really matters what the origins of the cross are.

Like just about everything else in this bizarre story, what is professed on the exterior turns out to be radically different from what is on the interior.

To understand what i mean by that,
simply look at the masonic eye in the pyramid, and then look at the emblem on the Aachen Cathedral.

This is such a contradiction of nature as to be absurd.
The masonic fable claims The Knights Templar as their heritage.
Beyond that, they certainly claim to be defenders of enlightened thought, some form of non-tyrannical rule, and above all they (at the highest levels) profess to be deeply opposed to theocratic rule.

Keeping in mind that Freemasons always tell you that there order truly started around the 1600's, or that possibly you could trace it to just after the demise of the templars around 1200-1300,
how then is their "masonic" emblem found plastered on the side of the preeminent Roman Catholic cathedral dating back to 800ad !?!

It is not self consistent at all. The two are diametric extremes.
People who claim to be opposed to tyrranical kings do not sport the same logo as the progenitor of the entire Holy Roman lineage (Aachen is the burial ground of Charlemagne the Great).

This sort of circular inconsistency can be found running entirely throughout this great mystery.
Like looking at the Templars themselves, who claimed on the surface to be loyal to the papacy and whose alleged mission was the defending of Jerusalem and the path of it's pilgrims. However a more indepth study of their order reveals that they were secretly aligned with the king of jerusalem who was opposed to the Holy Roman Empire, and that they were really in bed with the kabalistic jews.

Then one gets to the question of are the Jews and the Roman Catholic order at odds with eachother, or in bed with eachother?

See how this is all self inconsistent?

I'll tell you what i suspect is really going on.

An ancient order has long "ruled" this world,
meaning the network of connected individuals who together planned and gained greater and greater power.
and here what i believe to be talking about is the jewish power structure which gained power via the old testament and its rules, then through the use of the "new" testament essentially brought all of the "Goyim" (the white men, folks) under their "control".

This power structure is both Jewish, Roman Catholic, and also secular.
In fact, truth be told, the people involved at the top probably dont give a fuck about religion, point blank.
Its just a vehicle to power, and at the top they are all in bed together.

Thus, what is going on via the work of the "Freemasons" and "the brotherhood" (all the brotherhood organizations, from Skull and Bones on down the line) is simply a consolidation of power.

Beyond that there is a very real move away from overt monarchy and religion which is and has long been planned. This comes under the guise of compassion, and love for humanity, and in some ways it IS a great thing.

However, when one understands that the same families, the same people, the same classes, and the same ideologues are running the "new order" as were running the "old order" it starts to lose its luster and becomes visible for the hollow sham that it is. It is little more than a "conversion" of ancient power structures over from the "old age" in to the "new age". That was for then. This is for now. And "they" have already determined the best course for you and for humanity in general.

So what "they" have done for us is simply dismantle the front page gestalt of tyranny and replaced it with this sick squirmy backroom dealings in the shadows (bilderberg, bohemian grove, et al) type of affair where the lay people get to "think they are free" but the reality is the exact same general grouping of hierarchical power structures still exists ... however it simply pretends to be "elected" and works through "consent of the goverened".

Don't get me wrong,
there ARE some TRULY enlightened ideas operating through this network of rich and powerful folks, but there is also a WHOLE LOT of self serving, crass, ugly, and outright evil activity being perpetrated across the globe in the name of something that is not what it pretends to be.

In short, it is a "thank you for freeing us, so as to be re-enslaved" scenario.
If removing me from the shackles of brutish nationalistic theocratic-monarchical government is done only in order to subjugate me to an entirely greater scale of hidden tyranny, then i have to say "thanks but no thanks".

The ends simply do NOT justify the means,
and bending the will of the world by deceit, lies, and propaganda does NOT serve the end goal of humanity -- which is the very much needed "enlightenment" that these deluded assholes proclaim to be adherents of.

How can man be enlightened and TRULY FREE if he is being led (or dragged) on an invisible leash?
One must first have a true understanding and account of his world before he can achieve enlightenment,
and that is nearly impossible to do if the whole world (the "conspiracy" world) is LYING to you outright in order to manipulate your country, your people, and your world in to some "enlightened plan".

It just is not self consistent!

dunkman

Commy wrote:

random wrote:

As I said... educate yourself about the history of the CROIX DE LORRAINE, what it is, where it comes from, it's 'path', etc. I did NOT say the templars / crusaders' history but the CROIX DE LORRAINE's history and understand why it is associated to the people/groups you quote. You will then understand why your statement "Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it." is ridiculous. You seem to be able to google quite well... use that skill.

if you expect to be taken seriously you need to make your own points....."educate yourself" is about as useful as "your an idiot".

what are you trying to say?

does anyone expect to be taken seriously on a thread as mirth inducing as this one??? Company logos ruling the world? Pixar are onto it... coming to a cinema near you in 2012... Logos V's Subservient Humans

Byrnzie

dunkman wrote:

th-th-th-that's all f-f-f-olks

Edit: Then again...keeping the ignorant masses distracted with tawdry crap such as Bugs Bunny cartoons may well be the work of the Illuminati. :ugeek:

weenie

Based on current and previous posts, it's my opinion that "drifting" uses this board for material he is incorporating into his doctoral thesis on true believers.......

melodious

Syncronicity!!!! Great thread

Drowned Out

Am I the only one who thought of this thread after being taken aback the first time I turned a corner to find a massive display of winking Pepsi eyes? The new logo is just too blatant

DriftingByTheStorm

Maybe if we took it straight from the horses mouth?

“The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star , (l’Etoile Flamboyante). The Sun is still symbolized by the point within a Circle; and, with the Moon and Mercury or, Anubis, in the three Great Lights of the Lodge. Not only to these, but to the figures and numbers exhibited by the Stars, were ascribed peculiar and divine powers."

Albert Pike, Sovereign Grand Commander of Scottish Rite Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction, from his Masonic textbook, Morals and Dogma, on the lessons of “The Knight of the Brazen Serpent”( 25th degree) p.486-7

Logo for the largest bank in the world:
(sometimes, when Asia is depressed, it is the 2nd largest)


I guess now we don't even have to question the "possible" links between Sirius Radio and Freemasonry?


I like Freeman. He's weird. But he cracks me up sometimes. And on point more than he is off.

OutOfBreath

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Maybe if we took it straight from the horses mouth?

“The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star , (l’Etoile Flamboyante). The Sun is still symbolized by the point within a Circle; and, with the Moon and Mercury or, Anubis, in the three Great Lights of the Lodge. Not only to these, but to the figures and numbers exhibited by the Stars, were ascribed peculiar and divine powers."

Albert Pike, Sovereign Grand Commander of Scottish Rite Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction, from his Masonic textbook, Morals and Dogma, on the lessons of “The Knight of the Brazen Serpent”( 25th degree) p.486-7

Dude, just because some mason talks about sun symbology in the form of circles, doesn't mean that all circles thus are expressions of masonry. Circle is a pretty basic shape that can represent alot of things, including the sun. It can also represent the sun without it being anything fishy masonic about it.

There are millions of random quotes from masons, or mason-associated people (which really broadens the field as to the number of people who can be used to this purpose) that can be taken out of context and applied to anything today. Kinda like you can always find a bible-quote to support just about any standpoint. That some mason at some point talked about sun symbology in the shape of circles, doesnt mean that you today can just look after sun-logos, and then presto, you have the entire conspiracy unfolded, or that there is something fishy about circles in logos.

Peace
Dan

soulsinging

OutOfBreath wrote:

There are millions of random quotes from masons, or mason-associated people (which really broadens the field as to the number of people who can be used to this purpose) that can be taken out of context and applied to anything today. Kinda like you can always find a bible-quote to support just about any standpoint.

Exactly.

weenie

OutOfBreath wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Maybe if we took it straight from the horses mouth?

“The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius still glitters in our Lodges as the Blazing Star , (l’Etoile Flamboyante). The Sun is still symbolized by the point within a Circle; and, with the Moon and Mercury or, Anubis, in the three Great Lights of the Lodge. Not only to these, but to the figures and numbers exhibited by the Stars, were ascribed peculiar and divine powers."

Albert Pike, Sovereign Grand Commander of Scottish Rite Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction, from his Masonic textbook, Morals and Dogma, on the lessons of “The Knight of the Brazen Serpent”( 25th degree) p.486-7

Dude, just because some mason talks about sun symbology in the form of circles, doesn't mean that all circles thus are expressions of masonry. Circle is a pretty basic shape that can represent alot of things, including the sun. It can also represent the sun without it being anything fishy masonic about it.

There are millions of random quotes from masons, or mason-associated people (which really broadens the field as to the number of people who can be used to this purpose) that can be taken out of context and applied to anything today. Kinda like you can always find a bible-quote to support just about any standpoint. That some mason at some point talked about sun symbology in the shape of circles, doesnt mean that you today can just look after sun-logos, and then presto, you have the entire conspiracy unfolded, or that there is something fishy about circles in logos.

Peace
Dan

Hooray for independent thought. :geek:

DriftingByTheStorm

soulsinging wrote:

OutOfBreath wrote:

There are millions of random quotes from masons, or mason-associated people (which really broadens the field as to the number of people who can be used to this purpose) that can be taken out of context and applied to anything today. Kinda like you can always find a bible-quote to support just about any standpoint.

Exactly.

Albert Pike isn't exactly just "some mason" or "some dude".
He was the goddamn GRAND COMMANDER of the southern jurisdiction.
He is the INVENTOR OF THE 33rd DEGREE.

NOT just "SOME mason", for fucks sake.

You guys are great.

I'm not pretending like every sun symbol under the ... uh ... sun ... is part of a masonic conspiracy.

What i AM trying to do is wake people up to the fact that there IS the POSSIBILITY that some of this IS in fact connected.

Hey, Soulsing,
wasn't it YOU who was giving me endless shit about "ITS A SHELL" ?

While i still maintain that there is clear intent of double-imagery going on with Shell Gas...
... here it is for you, bub.
Your direct connection.

The great goddess of the masons, of many great religions in fact (not that i consider Masonry to be either great, or a religion, but) ... is Isis.

Isis goes as Aphrodite, or Venus, or, apparently in America as ... COLUMBIA. (she goes as many different names across the ages, including the names, Ishtar, Inanna and Ashtaroth)
[there is even a Shriners (who are part of the Masonic brotherhood, to be clear) Female African American Auxiliary organization called The Daughters of ISIS ... HMM...]

Yes, "Columbia", as in DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, as in The Capitol of our Country founded in LARGE part by FREEMASONS ...

HERE IT IS, SOULSINGING. PAY ATTENTION:

Second Century BC Greek Sculpture of Aphrodite
which INCLUDES ONE OF HER SYMBOLS ON HER FLANK (another being the OWL, like on the dollar bill, or surrounding the White House, oh no!):


OMFG!
oh no!
Danger Will Robinson
Danger!

Undeniable links to occult symbology abound!

But your point is taken.
EVERYTHING can't be part of a conspiracy,
right?

You guys and your denial though.
Its pretty funny.

You can't admit ANYthing.

Once again,
WHAT, pray tell, do you THINK this symbolism is representing?

and from WHENCE do you think it is derived?
[say "the dollar bill" or "the great seal" and you will be in danger of winning the ignorant and obtuse man of the year award. How many images of masonic pyramid and eyes that CLEARLY PREDATE THE US GREAT SEAL do i have to show you ?]

You think DARPA just like pyramids and eyes?
Same as the freemasons?

Very old masonic seal with Eye in Pyramid at the top

Really?
Truly?
Really trully?
Seriously?

Come on now.

I may be running the hunt overboard,
but you guys are in flat out DENIAL!

DriftingByTheStorm

weenie wrote:

Hooray for independent thought. :geek:

Deliberately self-maintained ignorance and denial is NOT "independent thought".
It is actually a form of neurosis which is probably best associated with a psychological phenomenon called "cognitive dissonance".

Essentially this means that when one is confronted with evidence, an idea, or information that directly contradicts previously and deeply held notions (like beliefs about the fundamental nature of your world or your country, or yourSELF), that such an idea\evidence\or information is likely to produce dissonance.

The Cognitive Dissonance Theory holds that when one is confronted with such a conflicting idea that said person is likely to either DENY, JUSTIFY, RATIONALIZE, or employ other EGO DEFENSE mechanisms as a method to block the intruding and conflicting viewpoint from causing mental anguish to the subject.

In other words, Soulsinging has a long and previously held world view which does not support the model which this symbolism evidence supports, and therefore, via the mechanism of Cognitive Dissonance is attempting to alternately either rationalize to oblivion, flat out deny or justify through irrationality any of the conflicting information that i am putting forward because it is causing him severe mental anguish to contemplate the possibility that his previous world view and self concept (his view of himself and his position in his world) are based on a incomplete and possibly flawed model of the worlds operation.

But i would NOT call it "independent thought".
Healthy skepticism is a valuable trait.
Wanton denial of what is clearly not just random happenstance is just a stupid ego defense mechanism.

The only person that would (or should) be proud would be Dr. Freud,
because this is a classic representative example of a great psychological concept.

DriftingByTheStorm

Here is my favorite "crazy" little buddy, Freeman, giving you his 50 minute rundown on The Goddess Columbia, her symbols, their meanings, their relationships to certain things, and some great ramblings.

The more i read and listen to Freeman, the less crazy i think him.
Stil not sure about all this Fish People stuff, though.
lol.


ps - i think Freeman IS wrong about one thing. Christopher Columbus (best i can make out) was probably a PORTUGUESE JEW, working as an agent for the British crown (Portugal still maintaining the oldest written alliance with Britain), and NOT a Greek. This would even better explain his "Kabalistic Cypher" used as his signature. Jews being deeply entwined with Kabalism. Actually if you look in to it, his cypher is, in deed, the strongest clue to his possible Portuguese Jewish heritage. (don't forget that Kabalism, Templars, and Masons are also all entwined to some degree)