Sun Symbols, Society, Ancient History, and Barack Obama...
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Look, at least SOMEone gets the reference,
has done their homework.
Too bad every album since Portrait has sucked worse and worse.
In case someone doesn't understand that Manson is obsessed with esoterism, "magick", and ancient religious symbolism, i guess it could be spelled out: he IS.
derrr.
Manson and the Occult just to make it plain.
Check out Manson and "The Age of Horus". Mmm hmm.Post edited by DriftingByTheStorm onIf I was to smile and I held out my hand
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driftin, seriously. who fucking cares about this shit. I really wish you would use that hyperactive brain of yours on a worthy topic. how about expose wasteful government spending? I'm sure you could dig up shit that none of us know about0
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ok, I'll play...
my question: So what and why should I care if logo is based on old symbols...?0 -
inmytree wrote:ok, I'll play...
my question: So what and why should I care if logo is based on old symbols...?
I already asked...jlew24asu wrote:
SO WHAT?!!!?!?!?!?! a sun is sun like a sun. right? or am I missing something. seeing a sun on everything really is making me into an obedient drone?
well,
one assumption would be that secret symbology is used amongst and between participants of the ruling elite in order to more easily communicate ownership. another would be this whole business of an occult elite that belives in the magical properterties of certain symbols that somehow gives them power.
If i had to go with just one theory, i would go with the first though.
The use of symbols that are familiar to eachother allows members to support, buy stock in, and generally promote the business interests of the firms which are "of the brotherhood", so to speak.
Of course, i'm sure it will take all of 5 minutes for someone to tell me that this is a hairbrained way to run a secret group, and SURELY there are easier ways to communicate this stuff.
But like i said, if i had to guess, thats what i would go with, right now.
??? i dunno ???0 -
DriftingByTheStorm wrote:dunkman wrote:top 10 companies in the world
1. Walmart (only changed to a sun logo in 2008)
2. Exxon Mobil (no sun in the logo)
3. Shell ( a shell)
4. BP (helios symbol ... this after it became one of the worlds top 10 companies... which begs the question.. how did it ever break into the top 10 without a sun logo!!!!
The top four are ALL sun symbols.
It would be dishonest for you to suggest they are not.
If you can't understand that Exxon = Cross of Lorraine,
again, what can i say?
Someone is doing their damnedest to avoid seeing something that is VERY obvious.
it's not dishonest.
1. walmart has a sun-like logo... its also an asterisk... you're just seeing what you want to see... but thats by the by... you've ignored the fact that up until some 15 years ago its logo was a simple WAL-MART... how can it become so big WITHOUT the sun logo.
2. Mobil - nope. the links i gave you earlier clearly state the designers motivation and intent for that logo.
3. the shell logo is a shell... purely and simply.. its colours are red and yellow... that's the clutching of straws.
4. i acknowledged it was the Helios symbol.
what about the other 6 multi-national conglomerates who are the 6 of the 10 biggest companies in the world? you just forgetting about them? they dont fit your sun theory so... forgotten?
and of those 4 companies you realise that not one of them has ever used your alleged 'sun' symbolology until the last 15-20 years.... and yet they still became so massive.
as for your last sentence... you're looking to hard... i'm doing my damnedest to highlight simple yet effective logo design... thats all.
p.s. Dan Brown called... he wants this thread used for this next bookoh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
jlew24asu wrote:driftin, seriously. who fucking cares about this shit. I really wish you would use that hyperactive brain of yours on a worthy topic. how about expose wasteful government spending? I'm sure you could dig up shit that none of us know about
Hmm.
Good question.
I dunno.
I just find it interesting.
Exxon is a Rockefeller company, descendant from Rockefeller's Standard Oil.
The Cross of Lorraine in their logo is extremely well associated with the Templars, hermeticism, and the ancient noble bloodlines of Europe.
The Rockefeller name, surprise surprise, just happens to be listed as one of the
"13 bloodlines of the illuminati",
and crazy "conspiracy theories" aside,
the Rockefeller name is DEEPLY associated with EVERY institution that holds gigantic power in this country and around the world -- Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations.
Almost every person of major importance in Obama's administration can be found to have links back to the Rockefellers. Looks at Geithner, i think he has no less than 4 or 5 direct links back to "Rockefeller" through the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefeller "Group of 30", and "as chairman of the G-10's Committee on Payment and Settlement Systems of the Bank for International Settlements", the BIS being another megalithic institution of the elite, formed by "The Young Plan", Mr. Owen D. Young having been a Rockefeller Foundation director. Surprise surprise. Geithner also worked for Kissinger Associates. Kissinger being the guy Rockefeller tapped to set up The Trilateral Commission. Again, surprise surprise.
THAT is why i'm interested in this stuff.
Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it."
do your homework,
tell me i'm wrong.
I'd love to be.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:jlew24asu wrote:driftin, seriously. who fucking cares about this shit. I really wish you would use that hyperactive brain of yours on a worthy topic. how about expose wasteful government spending? I'm sure you could dig up shit that none of us know about
Hmm.
Good question.
I dunno.
I just find it interesting.
Exxon is a Rockefeller company, descendant from Rockefeller's Standard Oil.
The Cross of Lorraine in their logo is extremely well associated with the Templars, hermeticism, and the ancient noble bloodlines of Europe.
The Rockefeller name, surprise surprise, just happens to be listed as one of the
"13 bloodlines of the illuminati",
and crazy "conspiracy theories" aside,
the Rockefeller name is DEEPLY associated with EVERY institution that holds gigantic power in this country and around the world -- Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations.
Almost every person of major importance in Obama's administration can be found to have links back to the Rockefellers. Looks at Geithner, i think he has no less than 4 or 5 direct links back to "Rockefeller" through the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, the Rockefeller "Group of 30", and "as chairman of the G-10's Committee on Payment and Settlement Systems of the Bank for International Settlements", the BIS being another megalithic institution of the elite, formed by "The Young Plan", Mr. Owen D. Young having been a Rockefeller Foundation director. Surprise surprise. Geithner also worked for Kissinger Associates. Kissinger being the guy Rockefeller tapped to set up The Trilateral Commission. Again, surprise surprise.
THAT is why i'm interested in this stuff.
Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in our logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it."
do your homework,
tell me i'm wrong.
I'd love to be.
but thats the point. who gives a flying fuck if some super duper old school richy rich elite is using a logo to give you the finger. yippy fucking do. SO WHAT? give him the finger back by not buying products from companies that use these symbols and logos.
cuz I know for a FACT, that with every company you listed, there is a competitor you can buy from.
there really is other stuff you can be focusing on and exposing. this may be interesting at some level, but its also absolutely worthless information.0 -
dunkman wrote:DriftingByTheStorm wrote:dunkman wrote:top 10 companies in the world
1. Walmart (only changed to a sun logo in 2008)
2. Exxon Mobil (no sun in the logo)
3. Shell ( a shell)
4. BP (helios symbol ... this after it became one of the worlds top 10 companies... which begs the question.. how did it ever break into the top 10 without a sun logo!!!!
The top four are ALL sun symbols.
It would be dishonest for you to suggest they are not.
If you can't understand that Exxon = Cross of Lorraine,
again, what can i say?
Someone is doing their damnedest to avoid seeing something that is VERY obvious.
it's not dishonest.
1. walmart has a sun-like logo... its also an asterisk... you're just seeing what you want to see... but thats by the by... you've ignored the fact that up until some 15 years ago its logo was a simple WAL-MART... how can it become so big WITHOUT the sun logo.
2. Mobil - nope. the links i gave you earlier clearly state the designers motivation and intent for that logo.
3. the shell logo is a shell... purely and simply.. its colours are red and yellow... that's the clutching of straws.
4. i acknowledged it was the Helios symbol.
"(The new sunburst) looks organic. My sense is they are trying to say, 'we're an eco-aware company,'" says Marty Neumeier, president of Neutron, a branding firm in San Francisco. Over the past two years, Wal-Mart has increasingly offered sustainable packaging and products, as well as reduced its truck fleet's energy consumption.
Neumeier adds that the image lacks the distinctive power of the most successful logos, such as Target's (TGT, news, msgs) bull's eye, which is immediately recognizable. Wal-Mart's sunburst, in contrast, "is designed so simply that there's no ownership to it," Neumeier says. In other words, it could be used by almost any corporation. -from MSN
You're right, i'm seeing "what i want to see".
Not what other successful graphic designers see.
Wal-Mart itself hasn't made much comment on their new logo,
except to say it is meant to symbolize "transformation" or "change",
which, again, if you understand anything about all this ancient\esoeric imagery,
is EXACTLY what the heremtic\alchemical\esoteric tradition is all about.
These symbols are representations of "the greatest change", the alchemical change.
Analogous with Enlightenment.
I don't feel i need to explain down to the every last corporation how this "idea" might play out.
It's kind of interesting, the entire point of a "secret society" is just that.
I's a fucking secret.
You are taking points off of my paper for not having the answers to questions
which allegedly revolve around the knowledge of a highly secretive group or body.
Why don't you go ask a high level mason why they only picked 4 out of 10 companies.
I can tell you the Toyota logo also looks like a bull or taurus, which is of significance,
and Chevron says it right in the fucking name, its a damn chevron, or double square.
I like how you took my obviously provable Exxon,
and turned it around to say, "Mobil, nope."
Yeah dude,
YOU are doing some serious backpeddling and disinformation-spreading.
That you still pretend to be too dense to understand that something like a Yellow Shell with Rays could be a DOULBE-IMAGE holding one meaning to the masses, and another to the "enlightened" sub-group is to prove your either deliberate misrepresentation of reality, or your absolute ignorance of it.
Lets try this another way,
despite the fact that YOU say it is a shell,
could any old person look at that and POSSIBLY perceive a sun?
Say "no", so i can write you off as a deliberate agent of disinformation, or a simple hard head.
Thanks.If I was to smile and I held out my hand
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.....and barack obama.........?
how exactly does he tie into all this?
i've skimmed your first post a bit, top to bottom...but i don't even see him mentioned/connected...so why is he in the thread title? just curious......
as to the symbolism...i LOVE symbolism, logos, etc.....there IS a rich history there, and much of what you post may well be true, to some extent. i agree tho that the sun has been a symbol since the ancients, but not necessarily with any evil intents/connections. i do believe much is interconnected, even in business....but i don't necessarily read/believe it all as vast conspiracy. symbols are powerful, and we make powerful connections with them, even subconsciously, so it makes sence that our biggest source of power, the sun, is used extensively. ancient symbols, religious and otherwise....have intertwined with business from the beginnings as well, again, not necessarily with any evil intent/connection...but again b/c they are known/recognized/respected.Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
"(The new sunburst) looks organic. My sense is they are trying to say, 'we're an eco-aware company,'" says Marty Neumeier, president of Neutron, a branding firm in San Francisco. Over the past two years, Wal-Mart has increasingly offered sustainable packaging and products, as well as reduced its truck fleet's energy consumption.
Neumeier adds that the image lacks the distinctive power of the most successful logos, such as Target's (TGT, news, msgs) bull's eye, which is immediately recognizable. Wal-Mart's sunburst, in contrast, "is designed so simply that there's no ownership to it," Neumeier says. In other words, it could be used by almost any corporation. -from MSN
You're right, i'm seeing "what i want to see".
Not what other successful graphic designers see.
Wal-Mart itself hasn't made much comment on their new logo,
except to say it is meant to symbolize "transformation" or "change",
which, again, if you understand anything about all this ancient\esoeric imagery,
is EXACTLY what the heremtic\alchemical\esoteric tradition is all about.
These symbols are representations of "the greatest change", the alchemical change.
Analogous with Enlightenment.
I don't feel i need to explain down to the every last corporation how this "idea" might play out.
It's kind of interesting, the entire point of a "secret society" is just that.
I's a fucking secret.
You are taking points off of my paper for not having the answers to questions
which allegedly revolve around the knowledge of a highly secretive group or body.
Why don't you go ask a high level mason why they only picked 4 out of 10 companies.
I can tell you the Toyota logo also looks like a bull or taurus, which is of significance,
and Chevron says it right in the fucking name, its a damn chevron, or double square.
I like how you took my obviously provable Exxon,
and turned it around to say, "Mobil, nope."
Yeah dude,
YOU are doing some serious backpeddling and disinformation-spreading.
That you still pretend to be too dense to understand that something like a Yellow Shell with Rays could be a DOULBE-IMAGE holding one meaning to the masses, and another to the "enlightened" sub-group is to prove your either deliberate misrepresentation of reality, or your absolute ignorance of it.
Lets try this another way,
despite the fact that YOU say it is a shell,
could any old person look at that and POSSIBLY perceive a sun?
Say "no", so i can write you off as a deliberate agent of disinformation, or a simple hard head.
Thanks.
i give the fuck up... those 100 richest companies in the world could change their logos to various pictures of llamas injecting molten lava up their arse and my, yours and countless millions on this planet lives wont change one fucking iota.
have fun ehhhh doing whatever it is that you do... i cant waste anymore time on this as google, youtube, HSBC and Texaco have called me and want me to do them a new logo using a sun.oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
I'm not saying anything goofy is going on, but the first year the "Devil Rays" change to the "Rays" and add a sunburst...they go to the World Series.
Team with the second most NBA championships in history has a yellow circular logo? Are we to believe that something like this would happen "by chance"...not fucking lightly
The year the team changes this team changes their logo from a clusterfuck of brown and orange to this flaming circular orange object...they go to the NBA finals. And what's up with their team name? Who are they really?
Notice the eye on here? It looks like it could actually be the eye of an Egyptian god. Not to mention the hidden eye in the lower right. It's what we call a "double whammy". One logo means something to the masses, while the other has a secret meaning to the super elite.
You really expect me to believe that the only team with a perfect record in NFL history happening to have a sun in their logo is a coincidence? Not even close. To even show the globalization goals, it was set up that not even a group of "Patriots" dressed in red, white, and blue could top this teams perfect record.
Lets not forget this team either. They had their largest victory in the nations capital, with a 6-2 win over DC United. Coincidence? Yeah. That is if you don't believe this secret organization is plotting to destroy the American life as we know it.
Wake up people...wake up0 -
ledvedderman wrote:
Notice the eye on here? It looks like it could actually be the eye of an Egyptian god. Not to mention the hidden eye in the lower right. It's what we call a "double whammy". One logo means something to the masses, while the other has a secret meaning to the super elite.
The only problem with your theory is that the Hawkeyes suck and always get owned by my beloved Buckeyes, whose logo is just a nut... wait a minute... the nuts grow on trees... trees use photosynthesis... photosynthesis is driven by the sun... oh FUCK!0 -
ledvedderman - greatest post ever.0
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soulsinging wrote:ledvedderman wrote:
Notice the eye on here? It looks like it could actually be the eye of an Egyptian god. Not to mention the hidden eye in the lower right. It's what we call a "double whammy". One logo means something to the masses, while the other has a secret meaning to the super elite.
The only problem with your theory is that the Hawkeyes suck and always get owned by my beloved Buckeyes, whose logo is just a nut... wait a minute... the nuts grow on trees... trees use photosynthesis... photosynthesis is driven by the sun... oh FUCK!
I'm glad your finally seeing the light...by that I mean the sun0 -
ledvedderman - well played sir, well played....My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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ledvedderman wrote:Wake up people...wake up
well the elite watch and bet on sports too ya know.....;)
can't leave these things up to chance.
Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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and the best for last
LOONEY TUNES
th-th-th-that's all f-f-f-olksoh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.0 -
As I understand it, occultists use symbols constantly, and whenever possible. They believe it gives them more "power," as defined in the occultist dictionary-- which is something along the lines of the powers of suggestion over people. The more they expose to you in advance, the more power they gain to pull off whatever it is they want to pull off.
I'm no expert, this is something I've come across.
So if there is this big secret spooky occult club that really wished to enslave us all, they would be all about using symbols as often as possible. Maybe only a handful of these companies had this intent to push Masonic symbolism? Maybe the other 95% just copied the designs of these companies because they saw that these simple designs and symbols are effective in advertising?
Who knows for sure? It's a crazy world out there, anything is possible if you ask me. Most of these companies probably haven't had the success that they've had by being boyscouts. Ask any successful politician where lying, cheating, and stealing will get you-- that is, if they could actually give you an honest answer.
History has shown us that some really awful people end up in positions of extreme wealth and power-- and they don't always have to be Kings or Dictators. Many of them do it with incredible dishonesty, and disregard for their fellow man. They don't believe in the same things that I do, or most of us here.
Why couldn't they be absolute cocksuckers who've never been satisfied with all that they've been given? Why couldn't there be people out there who want the whole world to work for them?0 -
DriftingByTheStorm wrote:The Cross of Lorraine in their logo is extremely well associated with the Templars, hermeticism, and the ancient noble bloodlines of Europe.
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Putting a "Cross of Lorraine" in your logo is a way of saying "fuck you" to the everyman.
It says "yeah i'm super duper old school richy rich elite of birth and blood, and you can suck it."
do your homework,
tell me i'm wrong.
I'd love to be.
Do me a favour.... educate yourself about the Croix de Lorraine (or, technically, the Croix Partriarcale), what it is, what it represents and why it is associated with the templars/crusades/'ancient noble bloodlines of Europe' (mainly French, you will find and mainly the Anjou family for very obvious reasons).
Once you understand this, you will be debunking your theories yourself.
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