Sun Symbols, Society, Ancient History, and Barack Obama...

Commy

thinks he's got a point.

DriftingByTheStorm

Commy wrote:

thinks he's got a point.

Right,
i think this is BEYOND COINCIDENCE:





from United National Supreme Council, Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite



But i know, i know,
graphic designers are lazy.

Sludge Factory

Good God, I'd like to save this thread somehow for the distant future.

Edit: Sweet, you can totally become a fan of the unmasons if you use facebook.

http://www.unmasons.com/

:roll:

Commy

Restless Soul wrote:

I think its very easy to read too much into all this conspiracy lark. There may have been some truth at an ancient level and if there was I'm sure it was very localised, as in contained within one or two societies or organisations, it was probably not as global as you may think.

Nowadays, because the world is so globally interconnected there isn't so much of a need to have secret symbols to spell things out to others. Everything is stolen anyway and used by whoever, so if one company uses the eye and another a pyramid and another a sun doesn't mean that they are communicating secret signals to each other. They probably just copied each other's ideas!

Remember everything has to go through marketing and PR departments too - believe me PR people aren't going to want to get their brand entangled with giving out secret messages etc. The potential for PR disaster would be too huge for them to even consider it!

This is becoming more complex than it really is.

The PR people and the news people and the manufacturing people are all owned by the same corporations. They are broken up into companies, but they fall under the same umbrella. The same old dudes decide policy for every one of them. As companies merge, power is consolidated, it all very simple.

So you could have PR companies owned directly by a corporation that also owns the company they are providing a service too. Probably common.

The secret society idea is accurate. There is a group of stuffy old guys gathering behind closed doors every year deciding policy, Drifting showed some evidence of that in the "one europe currency" thread, and there is a ton of circumstantial evidence pointing to that as well, and the symbols in this thread point to a collusion of some kind also. The Bilderberg group meets every year to do exactly that. That's no secret. What they decide is, but the fact that they meet isn't.

Some of these corporations make more money than countries like Greece. How do you expect a third world country like Zimbabwe to compete or regulate an institution that has 10-20-100 times as much money to spend. And reality reflects that. Companies like Coca-cola are hiring assassins to deal with union leaders in some cases, and the governments can't complain (nor are they motivated to do so in most cases)


And these are fascist institutions. They can only be influenced by money/power. In order serve them through labor, (working for a strangers bottom line) you have to submit yourself to a fascist environment. You fuck up or not, you disagree with the boss, your gone. Its direct control. No secret.



Back in the day governments had the upper hand, I believe. Today governments work for these corporations. And policy reflects that. Send armies to Cuba, Vietnam, East Timor..etc join forces against the USSR.

Why do you think there was such hysteria surrounding communism? Or surrounding Venezuela or Cuba. The very concept is a threat to private profit. Its not a threat to anything but private profit.

Its not so convoluted as a secret skull and bones society pulling strings from secret underground catacombs with ancient rituals taking power from satan or whatever (although they may do all of those things or pretend to)-the guys pulling the strings are the guys that own these companies. They don't have to have blackmail type situation to influence policy-they decide it directly. If someone doesn't go along with their schemes, they are fired.

and its the same in every industry.

All these powerful institutions are working towards the same goal. Private profit. And its a small group of individuals that benefit from these policies.

To hell with the rest of us.

South of Seattle

redrock wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The use of symbols that are familiar to eachother allows members to support, buy stock in, and generally promote the business interests of the firms which are "of the brotherhood", so to speak.?

I think you may be on to something there.... the sun again.....



Whilst I get your drift and all this symbolism is very interesting indeed, one needs to look into this objectively and not try to read something esoteric, mysterious or even devious into everything.

Sure all the symbols such as the sun, eye, circle, etc. are very important in a lot of ancient cultures/cults/religions, etc. their 'meaning' was perceived very differently then because of the beliefs in those times.

What comes out nowadays in various books (The Da Vinci Code being one of them), is very far fetched.

Fuck Cincy . . .

South of Seattle

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

This is ACN, or American Communications Network,
it is the largest provider of direct-sales telecommunications services in the world:


Both companies being private,
you can't get ownership information.
Sweet.

ACN is a cult and a scam. I have a friend that is being suckered by them now.

DriftingByTheStorm

Becton Dickinson
BD
BD Biosciences
BD Medical Supplies
or
BD Diagnostic Systems
[among quite a few other offshoots, apparently]

BD Diagnostic Systems

BD Diagnostic Systems Website wrote:

Diagnostic Systems is the global leader of products and instruments used for diagnosing infectious diseases. Our products are used in the clinical market to screen for microbial presence, grow and identify organisms, and test for antibiotic susceptiblity. In the industrial market, Diagnostic Systems' products are used for the testing of sterile and non-sterile pharmaceuticals and medical devices, for environmental monitoring and to detect food pathogens.

I saw this place trying to skip the belt way and taking an old state route home today.

This is a bioscience\medical technology company\companies, that seems to manufacture a lot of stuff related to HIV\AIDS testing, among other things.

BD has been a Fortune 500 company since the early 1960's
passed the billion dollars in sales mark in the 1980's
and adopted its current logo in 1999.
The logo is CLEARLY a RISING SUN coming out of what is a subtle but obvious inverted PYRAMID on top of ... what? AN EYE?

Can i get my "This is all Jungian imagery, and Lazy Graphic Designers" crew to step forward and tell me exactly what business or by way of what crazy inference of marketing genius this "global leader" bioscience firm ended up with a rising sun from an upside down pyramid over an eye?

BTW -- according to their press release this symbol is "a human figure embracing rays of light" ... oh, okay!

Just another top tier, best in class company with a rising sun\ eye \ pyramid logo.

Don't forget your H1N1 SWINE FLU diagnostic products while you're stopping by their site. Thank god we have business' like BD around to protect us!

cornnifer

THERE'S A TREASURE MAP ON THE BACK OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE!!!!

OutOfBreath

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

BTW -- according to their press release this symbol is "a human figure embracing rays of light" ... oh, okay!

You know, before reading your op/ed further down and this exaplanation, that's exactly what I thought it looked like. Anything which has two lines at an angle can be triangular/pyramid shaped if you want it to, especially if you include "inverted" to the list. Granted, the human figure could arguably be viewed as half an eye, but my first impression was of a human figure with outstretched arms towards the light/sunrise. I do not find it weird that a cutting edge medical tecnology company would want light and sun imagery in their logo, as it represents enlightenment. The logo as a whole gives the impression of "embracing a grand new tomorrow" vibe to me, which is probably what they were aiming for.

But to follow the logic of your argument, can we deduce that all the companies that doesn't have arguable sun/pyramid/eye constellations in their logo is off the hook, and clearly no part of the global conspiracy? I'd think that would exclude many companies that you'd like to include...

Peace
Dan

dunkman

OutOfBreath wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

BTW -- according to their press release this symbol is "a human figure embracing rays of light" ... oh, okay!

You know, before reading your op/ed further down and this exaplanation, that's exactly what I thought it looked like. Anything which has two lines at an angle can be triangular/pyramid shaped if you want it to, especially if you include "inverted" to the list. Granted, the human figure could arguably be viewed as half an eye, but my first impression was of a human figure with outstretched arms towards the light/sunrise. I do not find it weird that a cutting edge medical tecnology company would want light and sun imagery in their logo, as it represents enlightenment. The logo as a whole gives the impression of "embracing a grand new tomorrow" vibe to me, which is probably what they were aiming for.

But to follow the logic of your argument, can we deduce that all the companies that doesn't have arguable sun/pyramid/eye constellations in their logo is off the hook, and clearly no part of the global conspiracy? I'd think that would exclude many companies that you'd like to include...

Peace
Dan

i agree.
especially your last paragraph.



top 10 companies in the world

1. Walmart (only changed to a sun logo in 2008)

2. Exxon Mobil (no sun in the logo)

3. Shell ( a shell)

4. BP (helios symbol ... this after it became one of the worlds top 10 companies... which begs the question.. how did it ever break into the top 10 without a sun logo!!!!)

5. Toyota - brilliant logo... three ovals which represent the the globe, togetherness and yet also make up the T of the name... incidentally.. toyota name was chosen as it requires 8 strokes to write... 8 being a lucky and prosperous number in Japan.

6. Chevron - 2 chevrons

7. ING Group - The Lion is the symbol of ING since 1991. The lion is the king of animals and a symbol of power. Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands and also the symbol of the Netherlands

8. Total - The TOTAL logo’s spherical shape, airy quality, openess and colours - conveying renewal and forward-looking approach - reflect the international scope of our businesses, our commitment to multiple energies and our ability to help the world progress and to foster interaction... bit wordy but nonetheless.. not a sun.

9. General Motors - GM... with a wee line.

10. ConocoPhilips - nice logo actually... no suns though.




so... out of the worlds TOP 10 companies... one of them has a Helios symbol (BP) and that was only acquired in or around 2000.... it was a shield before that... how did it get so goddammed powerful without a sun type logo i wonder?

Wal-Mart..... huge company... clearly!... and yet its new logo was only designed in 2008... before that it was a 5 pointed star... and before that... well for 12 years before that it was a HYPHEN... a plain old WAL-MART up until 1992 and that branding of a simple hyphen made it one of the top 5 companies in the world... huh? thats so weird.. how come?

I also have to re-iterate that the logos are the graphic design companies ideas which are then presented to a board of directors/marketing directorates... some agencies produce up to 4 or 5 idents for a new marketing re-branding... some might use a sun symbol.. some might use a hieroglyphic... some might use a tree... but its would be very rare... very rare.. for a company to TELL a graphic design agency that they must include a SUN symbol in a new logo that never previously did.. the Sun is life... its one of the most powerful and instantly recognisable symbols in the world... ergo.. it gets used a fucking shitload for logos... as i said before, which you clearly mocked as you are such a super duper clever clogs (which translated means "you read stuff online a lot"), graphic designers, marketing agencies etc... are very lazy... they re-invent the wheel a lot of the time... its hard not to... create a simple yet powerful logo that shows a company has strength, growth, power, trust, etc.... for me its either a tree... or the sun...

dunkman

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

BD has been a Fortune 500 company since the early 1960's

yet had no pyramid/sun logo during that time?... hmmmm .... weird how it got so powerful then?

passed the billion dollars in sales mark in the 1980's
and adopted its current logo in 1999.

it was making BILLIONS in the 80s... without a sun logo? i'm perturbed by this... do you mean it can become one of the worlds biggest companies without a sun/eye/pyramid logo.. and then it NEEDS a new logo to subvert our tiny minds ONCE it has already made billions???

The logo is CLEARLY a RISING SUN coming out of what is a subtle but obvious inverted PYRAMID on top of ... what? AN EYE?

Can i get my "This is all Jungian imagery, and Lazy Graphic Designers" crew to step forward and tell me exactly what business or by way of what crazy inference of marketing genius this "global leader" bioscience firm ended up with a rising sun from an upside down pyramid over an eye?

http://cases.lippincottmercer.com/cgi-b ... iewcase?BD

jlew24asu

driftin, I thought you were going to pick your battles more carefully because you "get laughed at". do you really think this is a battle that is worth your time? I mean seriously. stick you battling the ballooning size of our government and its out of control spending...you would probably find alot of people to support you instead of laugh and silly shit like this.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

i agree.
especially your last paragraph.

top 10 companies in the world

1. Walmart (only changed to a sun logo in 2008)

2. Exxon Mobil (no sun in the logo)

3. Shell ( a shell)

4. BP (helios symbol ... this after it became one of the worlds top 10 companies... which begs the question.. how did it ever break into the top 10 without a sun logo!!!!)

5. Toyota - brilliant logo... three ovals which represent the the globe, togetherness and yet also make up the T of the name... incidentally.. toyota name was chosen as it requires 8 strokes to write... 8 being a lucky and prosperous number in Japan.

6. Chevron - 2 chevrons

7. ING Group - The Lion is the symbol of ING since 1991. The lion is the king of animals and a symbol of power. Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands and also the symbol of the Netherlands

8. Total - The TOTAL logo’s spherical shape, airy quality, openess and colours - conveying renewal and forward-looking approach - reflect the international scope of our businesses, our commitment to multiple energies and our ability to help the world progress and to foster interaction... bit wordy but nonetheless.. not a sun.

9. General Motors - GM... with a wee line.

10. ConocoPhilips - nice logo actually... no suns though.

so... out of the worlds TOP 10 companies... one of them has a Helios symbol (BP) and that was only acquired in or around 2000.... it was a shield before that... how did it get so goddammed powerful without a sun type logo i wonder?

Wal-Mart..... huge company... clearly!... and yet its new logo was only designed in 2008... before that it was a 5 pointed star... and before that... well for 12 years before that it was a HYPHEN... a plain old WAL-MART up until 1992 and that branding of a simple hyphen made it one of the top 5 companies in the world... huh? thats so weird.. how come?

I also have to re-iterate that the logos are the graphic design companies ideas which are then presented to a board of directors/marketing directorates... some agencies produce up to 4 or 5 idents for a new marketing re-branding... some might use a sun symbol.. some might use a hieroglyphic... some might use a tree... but its would be very rare... very rare.. for a company to TELL a graphic design agency that they must include a SUN symbol in a new logo that never previously did.. the Sun is life... its one of the most powerful and instantly recognisable symbols in the world... ergo.. it gets used a fucking shitload for logos... as i said before, which you clearly mocked as you are such a super duper clever clogs (which translated means "you read stuff online a lot"), graphic designers, marketing agencies etc... are very lazy... they re-invent the wheel a lot of the time... its hard not to... create a simple yet powerful logo that shows a company has strength, growth, power, trust, etc.... for me its either a tree... or the sun...

You're just not looking hard enough. See, if you take those logos, fold them 3/4 ways along the horizontal line, hold them up to a light, then take a pen and draw a sun on them... voila! They ALL have the sun logo! It's a CONSPIRACY I tell you! They're all out to pollute our precious bodily fluids!

redrock

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The logo is CLEARLY a RISING SUN coming out of what is a subtle but obvious inverted PYRAMID on top of ... what? AN EYE?

My lil' 4 year old neighbour was around as I had this up on screen. Even she recognised it for what it was... outstretched arms with a lil' head in the middle.

You are so funny.....

Cosmo

Does anyone else think that the Sun is the most important aspect of our lives... or am I the only one?
The Sun is a giver of life and without it, life as we know it would not be possible. Yeah... I know about those tiny crusteceans that live at the bottom of the Marianas Trench... I'm talking about us and lions and orange trees and crickets. The Sun has been worshipped by Man ever since we crept out of the shadows of the dinosaurs as rodents.
...
Now, as to modern day corporations, churches and secret societies... of course the Sun will show up as symbolism. It still remains the most dominant body in our sky. Maybe we don't openly worship the Sun anymore.. and take it for granted in our busy lives... but, it still remains, The Most Dominant celestrial body in our lives. That's why people put it on their logos. Hell, look at Japan... they got it on their Flag.
...
As for all that Free Mason stuff... I'm a bit skeptical.

blackredyellow

Cosmo wrote:

Hell, look at Japan... they got it on their Flag.

Don't forget about Colorado... Those conniving bastards are just lying in wait for for our country to screw up enough, then they are going to start taking surrounding states over....

at least that's what their flag tells me....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Colorado.svg

my2hands

what a complete waste of time

dunkman

my2hands wrote:

what a complete waste of time

and just think... clock faces are circular... and the sun was obviously used to tell the time on the earliest sun-dials..

so not a complete waste of time.

ajedigecko

my2hands wrote:

what a complete waste of time

honestly.................surely there was something entertaining in this topic.

DriftingByTheStorm

dunkman wrote:

top 10 companies in the world

1. Walmart (only changed to a sun logo in 2008)

2. Exxon Mobil (no sun in the logo)

3. Shell ( a shell)

4. BP (helios symbol ... this after it became one of the worlds top 10 companies... which begs the question.. how did it ever break into the top 10 without a sun logo!!!!

The top four are ALL sun symbols.
It would be dishonest for you to suggest they are not.
If you can't understand that Exxon = Cross of Lorraine,
again, what can i say?

Cross of Lorraine,
ancient Hermetic symbol
closely relate to the Knights Templar
and to ancient royal bloodlines.

Someone is doing their damnedest to avoid seeing something that is VERY obvious.