I don't think the Hawks have a player from Thunder Bay.
Patrick Sharp.
That's cool.I thought he was from Winnipeg.Like Toews.
Hawks team page must be mistaken.
I just checked that out. I'm 100% sure that he was born and raised in Thunder Bay. Team page is mistaken for sure. Hopefully his Hawks can dispose of the Wings this round.
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Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style.
What does robot hockey vs. entertaining style have to do with anything?
Regardless of style of play, Detroit is just better.
More skill, more depth and more experience.
The Red Wings are arguably the most dominant franchise in all of professional sports right now.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style.
What does robot hockey vs. entertaining style have to do with anything?
Regardless of style of play, Detroit is just better.
More skill, more depth and more experience.
The Red Wings are arguably the most dominant franchise in all of professional sports right now.
Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
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Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
Whoa- calm down killer.
I was just pointing out that your post made no sense in any context.
Saying "Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style," is like saying Detroit is a tough task for them because they like to eat Fruit Loops, while Chicago likes to eat Lucky Charms.
Bringing up style of play has nothing to do with why Chicago will have a tough time, unless of course you mean that "Robot Hockey" is better...
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
The robots had 43 shots and the hawks had 32. If anyone claims that Detroit games are boring then they are off their rocker or in some sort of denial. :roll: Anywho, Khabibulin played a heck of a game and kept Chicago in it as well as he could. As long as he keeps playing at a high level the Hawks will have a chance.
Also, we should establish some kind of bet on when Chris Osgood is going to snap and stab the next reporter in the neck that asks him what it's like to be the weak link. I can't believe that NBC moron's post game interview question. Not very classy . . .
Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.[/quote]
Is this Gary Bettman?
Luckily with the Wings we get good hockey and WINS. Stevie Yzerman was a hell of a player-exciting but no Stanley Cups until Bowman changed things.....Ask Stevie if he'd rather have scored 70 goals each year and no cups or 30 goals and 4 cups.......
I agree with Chicago being a good team and exciting at times but for 2 periods THEY were pretty boring, not the Wings.
Playiong on pure emotion can kill you
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
Whoa- calm down killer.
I was just pointing out that your post made no sense in any context.
Saying "Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style," is like saying Detroit is a tough task for them because they like to eat Fruit Loops, while Chicago likes to eat Lucky Charms.
Bringing up style of play has nothing to do with why Chicago will have a tough time, unless of course you mean that "Robot Hockey" is better...
More successful? Yes. Better? No.
You guys crack me up.
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The robots had 43 shots and the hawks had 32. If anyone claims that Detroit games are boring then they are off their rocker or in some sort of denial. :roll: Anywho, Khabibulin played a heck of a game and kept Chicago in it as well as he could. As long as he keeps playing at a high level the Hawks will have a chance.
Also, we should establish some kind of bet on when Chris Osgood is going to snap and stab the next reporter in the neck that asks him what it's like to be the weak link. I can't believe that NBC moron's post game interview question. Not very classy . . .
I watched the first period where the Wings had 15 shots and it was garbage hockey to watch. You can't judge the excitement level of a hockey game by the number of shots or goals etc.
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Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
Is this Gary Bettman?
Luckily with the Wings we get good hockey and WINS. Stevie Yzerman was a hell of a player-exciting but no Stanley Cups until Bowman changed things.....Ask Stevie if he'd rather have scored 70 goals each year and no cups or 30 goals and 4 cups.......
I agree with Chicago being a good team and exciting at times but for 2 periods THEY were pretty boring, not the Wings.
Playiong on pure emotion can kill you [/quote]
Ask Yzerman if he thinks that the people who paid to watch him play wanted to see his successful defense-first style of play or his entertaining, creative style of play.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. At the end of the day nobody really cares who wins the Stanley Cup. Hockey is there to provide entertainment to the people who pay to watch it. Maybe I'm a little tough on the Wings because they are so successful (and there are other offending teams who are dreadful to watch) but it does bother me a little seeing people defend their style of play simply because it is successful.
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Get over it. Robot-hockey just means that the Wings rarely play off their emotions (which usually leads to fun games for fans to watch -- see game 6 of the Hawks-Canucks series). Nobody really gives a shit how successful a team is at the end of the day. We watch hockey to see good games. Detroit hockey is rarely fun to watch these days.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
Is this Gary Bettman?
Luckily with the Wings we get good hockey and WINS. Stevie Yzerman was a hell of a player-exciting but no Stanley Cups until Bowman changed things.....Ask Stevie if he'd rather have scored 70 goals each year and no cups or 30 goals and 4 cups.......
I agree with Chicago being a good team and exciting at times but for 2 periods THEY were pretty boring, not the Wings.
Playiong on pure emotion can kill you
Ask Yzerman if he thinks that the people who paid to watch him play wanted to see his successful defense-first style of play or his entertaining, creative style of play.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. At the end of the day nobody really cares who wins the Stanley Cup. Hockey is there to provide entertainment to the people who pay to watch it. Maybe I'm a little tough on the Wings because they are so successful (and there are other offending teams who are dreadful to watch) but it does bother me a little seeing people defend their style of play simply because it is successful.[/quote]
In pro sports success is defined by won/loss records.
I truly understand part of your entertainment statement but then why have a championship? Why not just have teams play for no other reason but to play? All 30 teams and owners play to win the Cup, nothing else. If Chicago, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Detroit could win the Cup this year by playing a totally offensive style game don't you think they would? Quennville isn't sitting down today trying to figure out how to entertain fans tomorrow.
I didn't see too many games by Tampa Bay but I bet they had many exciting games but lost most. As a fan of hockey I don't think I'd keep shelling out money for it.....
I don't have to ask Yzerman as I'm one of those fans. Of course it was exciting watching early Yzerman, no doubt, but as a paying fan losing each year in the playoffs SUCKED. His change in style didn't bother me once we were able to win consistently in the playoffs. Despite what you say about no one cares who wins the Cup - that's true to every fan of the other 29 teams but to the one teams fans it does matter.
Out of curiosity what teams do you find entertaining?
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
In pro sports success is defined by won/loss records.
I truly understand part of your entertainment statement but then why have a championship? Why not just have teams play for no other reason but to play? All 30 teams and owners play to win the Cup, nothing else. If Chicago, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Detroit could win the Cup this year by playing a totally offensive style game don't you think they would? Quennville isn't sitting down today trying to figure out how to entertain fans tomorrow.
I didn't see too many games by Tampa Bay but I bet they had many exciting games but lost most. As a fan of hockey I don't think I'd keep shelling out money for it.....
I don't have to ask Yzerman as I'm one of those fans. Of course it was exciting watching early Yzerman, no doubt, but as a paying fan losing each year in the playoffs SUCKED. His change in style didn't bother me once we were able to win consistently in the playoffs. Despite what you say about no one cares who wins the Cup - that's true to every fan of the other 29 teams but to the one teams fans it does matter.
Out of curiosity what teams do you find entertaining?
I would argue that success in pro sports is actually defined by profit and not by record.
Quenville should be thinking about entertaining fans because that is what those guys are paid to do. Look at Brian Burke as a GM. Every place he has managed, his teams were all fast, tough, aggressive (and successful) and he makes no bones about saying that is he expects his teams to entertain first and succeed second. As much as I hate the Leafs, I think that they will be a great team to watch in 2 or 3 years.
As far as teams that I find entertaining, I really like to watch the Pacific Division teams play each other -- those are usually games that feature lots of scoring chances, lots of animosity (I think that this is what the Wings lack the most -- there really isn't anybody on their team to hate to create a game within a game atmosphere -- I know that I'm never sitting on the edge of my seat hoping that somebody creams Lidstrom). The Pens/Caps, Canes/Bruins and Hawks/Canucks series were all amazing to watch whether you were a fan of those teams or not. I really think that you had to be a Wings fan or a Ducks fan to watch those Wings-Ducks games and the Ducks are pretty much a team that I would watch whenever I got a chance. Maybe I'm nuts but I think that the Wings games are really tough to get into.
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Ugghhh, too many mistakes for the Canes tonight. Reminded me of Game 1 against Boston in that respect. Still, oh so close to a game tying goal from Staal late. Hope Ruutu and Cole are OK. We will need them if we are going to salvage a split on the road to open the series.
I would argue that success in pro sports is actually defined by profit and not by record.
Quenville should be thinking about entertaining fans because that is what those guys are paid to do.
That could be the most asinine thing that I've ever read regarding sports...
GM: "Hey coach, why were the players flying around up and down the ice giving up all sorts of scoring chances in our 7-5 loss? It was like a jailbreak out there."
Coach: "Because boss, I'm here to entertain the fans... it would be nice if we won, but above all, we just want to put on a good show"
GM: "Entertain?!?!?! we're in 12 place... start packing up your office, because you're fired."
Coaches are paid to win games, period...
You seem to be getting actual sports confused with professional wrestling.
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That could be the most asinine thing that I've ever read regarding sports...
GM: "Hey coach, why were the players flying around up and down the ice giving up all sorts of scoring chances in our 7-5 loss? It was like a jailbreak out there."
Coach: "Because boss, I'm here to entertain the fans... it would be nice if we won, but above all, we just want to put on a good show"
GM: "Entertain?!?!?! we're in 12 place... start packing up your office, because you're fired."
Coaches are paid to win games, period...
You seem to be getting actual sports confused with professional wrestling.
In your little fictional conversation, any GM worth his salt would likely have said: "Did you see how worked up the crowd was even though we lost that game 7-5? I bet you that every person that was at this game will come back and see these teams play each other again. Great game." A GM's bread is buttered by asses in the seats and little else.
I would rather watch a 12th place team that plays hard and entertains night after night than watch a machine-team rattle off Cup after Cup without playing any emotional hockey.
I found it very interesting that a couple of Hawks players said that they found it hard to get into the Wings games because there was no animosity or trash-talking between the two teams during the game. The Wings kept their mouths shut, played their ultra-disciplined system and lulled their opponent into yet another loss.
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I found it very interesting that a couple of Hawks players said that they found it hard to get into the Wings games because there was no animosity or trash-talking between the two teams during the game. The Wings kept their mouths shut, played their ultra-disciplined system and lulled their opponent into yet another loss.
Any professional athlete who can't get up for a playoff game because they don't talk shit to one another shouldn't be playing professionally.
"The dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude. Takin' her easy for all us sinners."
That could be the most asinine thing that I've ever read regarding sports...
GM: "Hey coach, why were the players flying around up and down the ice giving up all sorts of scoring chances in our 7-5 loss? It was like a jailbreak out there."
Coach: "Because boss, I'm here to entertain the fans... it would be nice if we won, but above all, we just want to put on a good show"
GM: "Entertain?!?!?! we're in 12 place... start packing up your office, because you're fired."
Coaches are paid to win games, period...
You seem to be getting actual sports confused with professional wrestling.
In your little fictional conversation, any GM worth his salt would likely have said: "Did you see how worked up the crowd was even though we lost that game 7-5? I bet you that every person that was at this game will come back and see these teams play each other again. Great game." A GM's bread is buttered by asses in the seats and little else.
I would rather watch a 12th place team that plays hard and entertains night after night than watch a machine-team rattle off Cup after Cup without playing any emotional hockey.
I found it very interesting that a couple of Hawks players said that they found it hard to get into the Wings games because there was no animosity or trash-talking between the two teams during the game. The Wings kept their mouths shut, played their ultra-disciplined system and lulled their opponent into yet another loss.
Songburst I understand a little of what you're saying but really not 1 GM would be saying that. I have always said that I'd rather the Tigers have 20 guys who were good and competitive but not mega stars with huge contracts if it kept ticket prices low where I could take my family without breaking the bank (see Yankees).
But I don't feel that way yet with hockey because:
A)the players don't make nearly as much as baseball players.
B)I love the sport.
Now regarding what some Hawks said - That is immaturity talking. No player could play 82 games hating everyone and giving it his all to beat them then go into the palyoffs hating everyone giving it his all each and every game and expect to be alive at the end. Case in point: 1st period yesterday Hawks were flying! 2nd period 3 shots! Would you say Hawks were boring and did you turn off the game because of it?
Winning puts asses in the seats (see Lions for the reverse )
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
Another "boring" game where the Wings win....oh ho hum
LET'S GO WINGS!
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
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Another "boring" game where the Wings win....oh ho hum
LET'S GO WINGS!
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
Oh the Chicago crowd will have their ever so clever chant "Detroit Sucks" going loud and clear But that just shows off their envy of the Wings. Sure Chicago the city is nicer, hell I wouldn't mind living there, but I love the people of Detroit's attitude and work ethic.
I'll give you the fact that Joe Louis Arena is not nearly as raucous as the United Center but that's because we've been here, a LOT of times recently
Songburst, if you don't mind me saying, I think you'd have been front row center back in Gladiator times!
If Wings win 6-0 Friday night but the fans are loud and hostile does it make it a good game, just wondering?
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
Another "boring" game where the Wings win....oh ho hum
LET'S GO WINGS!
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
I believe that you have intensty and emotion confused.....intensity results in a three on one breakway in your favor in OT.
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Another "boring" game where the Wings win....oh ho hum
LET'S GO WINGS!
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
I believe that you have intensty and emotion confused.....intensity results in a three on one breakway in your favor in OT.
INTENSITY! Thank you Tybird that was the word I've been looking for.
Hopefully the only emotion we'll get from Chicago are tears after they lose the series
In case Brad Stuart is on the forum there was an article on how Kane played with dolls with his sisters in trade for them to play sports with him - nice scrum material
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
Another "boring" game where the Wings win....oh ho hum
LET'S GO WINGS!
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
Oh the Chicago crowd will have their ever so clever chant "Detroit Sucks" going loud and clear But that just shows off their envy of the Wings. Sure Chicago the city is nicer, hell I wouldn't mind living there, but I love the people of Detroit's attitude and work ethic.
I'll give you the fact that Joe Louis Arena is not nearly as raucous as the United Center but that's because we've been here, a LOT of times recently
Songburst, if you don't mind me saying, I think you'd have been front row center back in Gladiator times!
If Wings win 6-0 Friday night but the fans are loud and hostile does it make it a good game, just wondering?
Gladiator times? You think that I just want to see fights? Maybe you had to have to played the game competitively to fully understand what I'm after when I watch a hockey game. The number of goals and shots and fights have nothing to do with the entertainment factor of a game (although a game with lots of fights in it usually results in an entertaining game because fights really get players engaged in the game for some reason). Anyway -- enough of me bashing the Wings style of play. Obvously there are people who like watching it for some reason and that's fine. It just isn't for me. Cheers.
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Gladiator times? You think that I just want to see fights? Maybe you had to have to played the game competitively to fully understand what I'm after when I watch a hockey game. The number of goals and shots and fights have nothing to do with the entertainment factor of a game (although a game with lots of fights in it usually results in an entertaining game because fights really get players engaged in the game for some reason). Anyway -- enough of me bashing the Wings style of play. Obvously there are people who like watching it for some reason and that's fine. It just isn't for me. Cheers.[/quote]
Songburst I didn't mean the Gladiator/hockey fighting comparison. Meant something along the lines of visual/instant result???? I'm not finding the right words - sorry.
As I stated earlier no way you can play with emotion a whole season. Fighting has its place in hockey but Bettman doesn't think so but yet he allows all this after the whistle shit. Now from what I've read into some of your posts you'd like that as it may bring out emotion. To me it's a free ride to possibly injure an opposing player and not have to worry about being penalized (see game 6 vs Anaheim). Now I might like it if Detroit had Probert and Kocur out there
Anyways keep adding your 2 cents, that's why it's a forum.
If you have a chance to make life better for others, and fail to do so, you are wasting your time on this earth.
Gladiator times? You think that I just want to see fights? Maybe you had to have to played the game competitively to fully understand what I'm after when I watch a hockey game. The number of goals and shots and fights have nothing to do with the entertainment factor of a game (although a game with lots of fights in it usually results in an entertaining game because fights really get players engaged in the game for some reason). Anyway -- enough of me bashing the Wings style of play. Obvously there are people who like watching it for some reason and that's fine. It just isn't for me. Cheers.
Songburst I didn't mean the Gladiator/hockey fighting comparison. Meant something along the lines of visual/instant result???? I'm not finding the right words - sorry.
As I stated earlier no way you can play with emotion a whole season. Fighting has its place in hockey but Bettman doesn't think so but yet he allows all this after the whistle shit. Now from what I've read into some of your posts you'd like that as it may bring out emotion. To me it's a free ride to possibly injure an opposing player and not have to worry about being penalized (see game 6 vs Anaheim). Now I might like it if Detroit had Probert and Kocur out there
Anyways keep adding your 2 cents, that's why it's a forum.
I think I've taking my argument as far as I can take it. No worries about the gladiator thing -- I didn't take it right either.
I miss the days of Probert / Kocur. Those were always interesting games when they were in the lineup. Maybe it is all about the fighting after all -- lol.
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Did I write these unknowingly? The second link is a good back and forth not unlike the past few pages of this thread. Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks that Wings hockey is boring hockey.
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is that exactly what I thought I read."
Hawks team page must be mistaken.
is that exactly what I thought I read."
I just checked that out. I'm 100% sure that he was born and raised in Thunder Bay. Team page is mistaken for sure. Hopefully his Hawks can dispose of the Wings this round.
One day but not yet.
GO WINGS!!
is that exactly what I thought I read."
Haha -- that's what Flames fans and Canucks fans said.
Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style.
What does robot hockey vs. entertaining style have to do with anything?
Regardless of style of play, Detroit is just better.
More skill, more depth and more experience.
The Red Wings are arguably the most dominant franchise in all of professional sports right now.
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.
Whoa- calm down killer.
I was just pointing out that your post made no sense in any context.
Saying "Detroit is a tough task for them though because they play robot-hockey and Chicago actually plays a very entertaining style," is like saying Detroit is a tough task for them because they like to eat Fruit Loops, while Chicago likes to eat Lucky Charms.
Bringing up style of play has nothing to do with why Chicago will have a tough time, unless of course you mean that "Robot Hockey" is better...
Also, we should establish some kind of bet on when Chris Osgood is going to snap and stab the next reporter in the neck that asks him what it's like to be the weak link. I can't believe that NBC moron's post game interview question. Not very classy . . .
Let me know how this game turns out -- one period was enough for me today.[/quote]
Is this Gary Bettman?
Luckily with the Wings we get good hockey and WINS. Stevie Yzerman was a hell of a player-exciting but no Stanley Cups until Bowman changed things.....Ask Stevie if he'd rather have scored 70 goals each year and no cups or 30 goals and 4 cups.......
I agree with Chicago being a good team and exciting at times but for 2 periods THEY were pretty boring, not the Wings.
Playiong on pure emotion can kill you
Roberto Clemente.
You guys crack me up.
I watched the first period where the Wings had 15 shots and it was garbage hockey to watch. You can't judge the excitement level of a hockey game by the number of shots or goals etc.
Is this Gary Bettman?
Luckily with the Wings we get good hockey and WINS. Stevie Yzerman was a hell of a player-exciting but no Stanley Cups until Bowman changed things.....Ask Stevie if he'd rather have scored 70 goals each year and no cups or 30 goals and 4 cups.......
I agree with Chicago being a good team and exciting at times but for 2 periods THEY were pretty boring, not the Wings.
Playiong on pure emotion can kill you
Ask Yzerman if he thinks that the people who paid to watch him play wanted to see his successful defense-first style of play or his entertaining, creative style of play.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. At the end of the day nobody really cares who wins the Stanley Cup. Hockey is there to provide entertainment to the people who pay to watch it. Maybe I'm a little tough on the Wings because they are so successful (and there are other offending teams who are dreadful to watch) but it does bother me a little seeing people defend their style of play simply because it is successful.
Ask Yzerman if he thinks that the people who paid to watch him play wanted to see his successful defense-first style of play or his entertaining, creative style of play.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. At the end of the day nobody really cares who wins the Stanley Cup. Hockey is there to provide entertainment to the people who pay to watch it. Maybe I'm a little tough on the Wings because they are so successful (and there are other offending teams who are dreadful to watch) but it does bother me a little seeing people defend their style of play simply because it is successful.[/quote]
In pro sports success is defined by won/loss records.
I truly understand part of your entertainment statement but then why have a championship? Why not just have teams play for no other reason but to play? All 30 teams and owners play to win the Cup, nothing else. If Chicago, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Detroit could win the Cup this year by playing a totally offensive style game don't you think they would? Quennville isn't sitting down today trying to figure out how to entertain fans tomorrow.
I didn't see too many games by Tampa Bay but I bet they had many exciting games but lost most. As a fan of hockey I don't think I'd keep shelling out money for it.....
I don't have to ask Yzerman as I'm one of those fans. Of course it was exciting watching early Yzerman, no doubt, but as a paying fan losing each year in the playoffs SUCKED. His change in style didn't bother me once we were able to win consistently in the playoffs. Despite what you say about no one cares who wins the Cup - that's true to every fan of the other 29 teams but to the one teams fans it does matter.
Out of curiosity what teams do you find entertaining?
Roberto Clemente.
Quenville should be thinking about entertaining fans because that is what those guys are paid to do. Look at Brian Burke as a GM. Every place he has managed, his teams were all fast, tough, aggressive (and successful) and he makes no bones about saying that is he expects his teams to entertain first and succeed second. As much as I hate the Leafs, I think that they will be a great team to watch in 2 or 3 years.
As far as teams that I find entertaining, I really like to watch the Pacific Division teams play each other -- those are usually games that feature lots of scoring chances, lots of animosity (I think that this is what the Wings lack the most -- there really isn't anybody on their team to hate to create a game within a game atmosphere -- I know that I'm never sitting on the edge of my seat hoping that somebody creams Lidstrom). The Pens/Caps, Canes/Bruins and Hawks/Canucks series were all amazing to watch whether you were a fan of those teams or not. I really think that you had to be a Wings fan or a Ducks fan to watch those Wings-Ducks games and the Ducks are pretty much a team that I would watch whenever I got a chance. Maybe I'm nuts but I think that the Wings games are really tough to get into.
That could be the most asinine thing that I've ever read regarding sports...
GM: "Hey coach, why were the players flying around up and down the ice giving up all sorts of scoring chances in our 7-5 loss? It was like a jailbreak out there."
Coach: "Because boss, I'm here to entertain the fans... it would be nice if we won, but above all, we just want to put on a good show"
GM: "Entertain?!?!?! we're in 12 place... start packing up your office, because you're fired."
Coaches are paid to win games, period...
You seem to be getting actual sports confused with professional wrestling.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
In your little fictional conversation, any GM worth his salt would likely have said: "Did you see how worked up the crowd was even though we lost that game 7-5? I bet you that every person that was at this game will come back and see these teams play each other again. Great game." A GM's bread is buttered by asses in the seats and little else.
I would rather watch a 12th place team that plays hard and entertains night after night than watch a machine-team rattle off Cup after Cup without playing any emotional hockey.
I found it very interesting that a couple of Hawks players said that they found it hard to get into the Wings games because there was no animosity or trash-talking between the two teams during the game. The Wings kept their mouths shut, played their ultra-disciplined system and lulled their opponent into yet another loss.
Any professional athlete who can't get up for a playoff game because they don't talk shit to one another shouldn't be playing professionally.
LET'S GO WINGS!
Roberto Clemente.
Songburst I understand a little of what you're saying but really not 1 GM would be saying that. I have always said that I'd rather the Tigers have 20 guys who were good and competitive but not mega stars with huge contracts if it kept ticket prices low where I could take my family without breaking the bank (see Yankees).
But I don't feel that way yet with hockey because:
A)the players don't make nearly as much as baseball players.
B)I love the sport.
Now regarding what some Hawks said - That is immaturity talking. No player could play 82 games hating everyone and giving it his all to beat them then go into the palyoffs hating everyone giving it his all each and every game and expect to be alive at the end. Case in point: 1st period yesterday Hawks were flying! 2nd period 3 shots! Would you say Hawks were boring and did you turn off the game because of it?
Winning puts asses in the seats (see Lions for the reverse
Roberto Clemente.
You saw it too? I actually watched all of game 2. There really wasn't much in the way of emotion. Even the crowd really wasn't that into it until the OT winner. I've seen worse games but the intensity that I saw in the other series' that I have watched this year is so glaringly lacking in this Wings-Hawks series. Maybe the Chicago crowd can generate some intensity by the frenzied atmosphere that they have created in their home games these playoffs.
Oh the Chicago crowd will have their ever so clever chant "Detroit Sucks" going loud and clear
I'll give you the fact that Joe Louis Arena is not nearly as raucous as the United Center but that's because we've been here, a LOT of times recently
Songburst, if you don't mind me saying, I think you'd have been front row center back in Gladiator times!
If Wings win 6-0 Friday night but the fans are loud and hostile does it make it a good game, just wondering?
Roberto Clemente.
INTENSITY! Thank you Tybird that was the word I've been looking for.
Hopefully the only emotion we'll get from Chicago are tears after they lose the series
In case Brad Stuart is on the forum there was an article on how Kane played with dolls with his sisters in trade for them to play sports with him - nice scrum material
Roberto Clemente.
Songburst I didn't mean the Gladiator/hockey fighting comparison. Meant something along the lines of visual/instant result???? I'm not finding the right words - sorry.
As I stated earlier no way you can play with emotion a whole season. Fighting has its place in hockey but Bettman doesn't think so but yet he allows all this after the whistle shit. Now from what I've read into some of your posts you'd like that as it may bring out emotion. To me it's a free ride to possibly injure an opposing player and not have to worry about being penalized (see game 6 vs Anaheim). Now I might like it if Detroit had Probert and Kocur out there
Anyways keep adding your 2 cents, that's why it's a forum.
Roberto Clemente.
I miss the days of Probert / Kocur. Those were always interesting games when they were in the lineup. Maybe it is all about the fighting after all -- lol.
http://sportsroids.com/2009/05/19/detro ... ng-hockey/
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... =nhl,85605
Great hockey game to watch tonight whether you are a fan of these teams or not.