why would you HAVE to eat meat?

decides2dream

pearljamjen wrote:

sickgirl wrote:

Anyone that thinks a vegitarian or vegan diet is unhealthy should really try to do some research instead of assuming. Besides the obvious health benifits, there are so many diseases that can be prevented. Before you put it down or forbid a child the choice it is really worth it to do some real research. I've got plenty of links to websites with info and the names of some books, if anyone wants them.

EXACTLY. I wasn't going to post in this thread, but I had to say I'm glad you posted what you did.

I know a lot of meat-eaters who are overweight too. Not all, some are very fit. Just like some vegetarians are, and some aren't. It depends what you eat. :roll: You DON'T need bread or pasta to feel full.

There are a lot of options. You just have to do some research.

absolutely!
when i went veg, i researched a LOT.....there are so many excellent sources out there, especially now. i ate a lot of different foods, and quite honestly, ate no more bread or pasta than i do as a a meat eater. whether a veggie or omnivore, being smart about nutrition, researching what you put in your body, balancing your diet well...is ALWAYS the way to go so you feel good, look good, and is good for your overall health.

Commy

i miss bacon

_Crazy_Mary_

Last night for dinner I made buffalo burgers, beans and a fresh herb green salad with nuts, apples & cheese. And for the vegetarian I made a sandwich with some fake chicken nuggets in place of the buffalo. It worked out, but of course the meal did involve bread...

iluvcats

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Last night for dinner I made buffalo burgers, beans and a fresh herb green salad with nuts, apples & cheese. And for the vegetarian I made a sandwich with some fake chicken nuggets in place of the buffalo. It worked out, but of course the meal did involve bread...

buffalo meat? is it tough?

ajedigecko

mickeyrat wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

because when i have my back turned to the cow, chicken, and fish.............they mock me.

What about the pig?

to be honest..............i do not like pig, so they can talk all the shit they want.

Heineken Helen

dcfaithful wrote:

A lot of the meat in the States is loaded with pesticides, hormones, etc...unless you kno where your meat is coming from like a local farm or whatever, and let's all admit not all of us do. Having a vegetarian diet can significantly reduce your risk of disease. The European nations has made a good decision in outlawing all hormones being fed to their livestock. It's more expensive, but the quality of the meat is much, much better. It's typical of America to take the cheap way out, adn get the bigger bang for their buck. I just wish we would strongly consider not scientifically altering all of our food.

while that's all well and good and many meats are evident of where they've come from... IF a chicken is born, reared and killed in say the US according to US regulations but only CUT up and packaged in Britain, they get to label it 'British'. So it's not foolproof and you don't always know what you're getting. It IS quite easy to get meat knowing exactly where it's coming from of course, but it's often much more expensive... I'm referring to buying it in your local supermarket.

whitepants

Just watch 'Babe', and you'll never want to eat pork again.

How can you eat such an adorable creature. They're smart too! :ugeek:

CJMST3K

iluvcats wrote:

I subscribe to a vegetarian magazine, although I'm not considered a vegetarian. I've always been grossed out by meat but I cook it for my family. I try to eat it and can't finish it or just pick at it. I eats lots of nuts, oatmeal, salad, some veggies and junk food. I never found out why I'm light headed even though I had tests performed. Anyway, I was reading my vegan magazine last night and there was a letter from a woman who was told she had to eat 5 oz of meat daily to get better....she only said she was very ill. Do you suppose she was malnourished? Even though it is going to be hard, I'm going to try eating 5 ounces a day too. Also, the doctor said she had to eat animal protein....would that exclude poultry?

Animal protein is all animals. Fish, birds, cows, sheep, whatever.

I've been a vegetarian for about 18 years. Strict "ovo-lacto" meaning I eat dairy and eggs, but nothing that directly killed an animal to obtain. While my weight goes up and down due to snack or alcohol consumption, my energy level is pretty darned good.

Vegans do have to be careful. They probably need to eat more beans and other vegetable protein.

The Champ

sickgirl wrote:

Anyone that thinks a vegitarian or vegan diet is unhealthy should really try to do some research instead of assuming. Besides the obvious health benifits, there are so many diseases that can be prevented.

Obvious? Am I to 'assume' via the pale avatar and 'sickgirl' screen name that you eat meat, and a lot of it?

decides2dream

whitepants wrote:

Just watch 'Babe', and you'll never want to eat pork again.

How can you eat such an adorable creature. They're smart too! :ugeek:

LOVE that movie!




however, i love bacon more! :oops:

seriously, i absolutely get your point, and yet i manage to seperate the 'face' from my food. i think any feelings of *guilt* i have are not simply for eating animals.....but knowing HOW horribly they are treated while they are alive. :( THAT is my biggest issue/hypocrisy, whatever you want to call it. if factory farming didn't exist and all animals got to live happily, albeit short, lives....and then all killed humanely, i'd have zero issue with it. animals eat other animals. we are animals. omnivores, so i don't think it wrong or unnatural to eat meat....i think what we DO to animals is unnatural and wrong, and yes...i am still a meat eater.

iluvcats

Ms. Haiku wrote:

iluvcats wrote:

I subscribe to a vegetarian magazine, although I'm not considered a vegetarian. I've always been grossed out by meat but I cook it for my family. I try to eat it and can't finish it or just pick at it. I eats lots of nuts, oatmeal, salad, some veggies and junk food. I never found out why I'm light headed even though I had tests performed. Anyway, I was reading my vegan magazine last night and there was a letter from a woman who was told she had to eat 5 oz of meat daily to get better....she only said she was very ill. Do you suppose she was malnourished? Even though it is going to be hard, I'm going to try eating 5 ounces a day too. Also, the doctor said she had to eat animal protein....would that exclude poultry?

I wrote a long answer which I saved instead of submitting. How do I find my saved answer?

I'm not sure where it is, I'm sorry you cannot find it. I just saw this page today, that's why I didn't reply sooner.

_Crazy_Mary_

iluvcats wrote:

buffalo meat? is it tough?

No, I cooked the burgers about medium then topped them with cheese & caramelized onions. With dijon & mayo. Oh my God they were so juicy-licious! I want them again!

DinghyDog

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Heineken Helen

decides2dream wrote:

LOVE that movie!




however, i love bacon more! :oops:

seriously, i absolutely get your point, and yet i manage to seperate the 'face' from my food. i think any feelings of *guilt* i have are not simply for eating animals.....but knowing HOW horribly they are treated while they are alive. :( THAT is my biggest issue/hypocrisy, whatever you want to call it. if factory farming didn't exist and all animals got to live happily, albeit short, lives....and then all killed humanely, i'd have zero issue with it. animals eat other animals. we are animals. omnivores, so i don't think it wrong or unnatural to eat meat....i think what we DO to animals is unnatural and wrong, and yes...i am still a meat eater.

A friend of mine was absolutely HORRIFIED to find battery eggs in my kitchen :oops: is it wrong that I find it really hard to care about chickens??? :oops: A cow yep, a pig absolutely... but chickens :?

Yeh, I'm going to hell

decides2dream

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

LOVE that movie!




however, i love bacon more! :oops:

seriously, i absolutely get your point, and yet i manage to seperate the 'face' from my food. i think any feelings of *guilt* i have are not simply for eating animals.....but knowing HOW horribly they are treated while they are alive. :( THAT is my biggest issue/hypocrisy, whatever you want to call it. if factory farming didn't exist and all animals got to live happily, albeit short, lives....and then all killed humanely, i'd have zero issue with it. animals eat other animals. we are animals. omnivores, so i don't think it wrong or unnatural to eat meat....i think what we DO to animals is unnatural and wrong, and yes...i am still a meat eater.

A friend of mine was absolutely HORRIFIED to find battery eggs in my kitchen :oops: is it wrong that I find it really hard to care about chickens??? :oops: A cow yep, a pig absolutely... but chickens :?

Yeh, I'm going to hell

i don't know what battery eggs are.... :?


have you ever actually SEEN any one of the documentaries about the abhorrent conditions of chickens? it is heart-breaking. last summer my husband was down in florida and he saw a chicken truck drive by and he was horrified. all of these things, for all food animals, were the main reason i went veg oh so many years ago.....but yes, i am a hypocrite b/c i just didn't want to stay a veg, i like eating meat. as i said, if it weren't for how they were treated, i do not think it's wrong to eat animals, even to raise them to be eaten....it's just HOW we do so, the factory farms.... :(




oh and buffalo burgers are quite yum!

JaneNY

decides2dream wrote:

i don't know what battery eggs are.... :?

Battery eggs are those layed by hens kept in battery cages like this:

Heineken Helen

JaneNY wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i don't know what battery eggs are.... :?

Battery eggs are those layed by hens kept in battery cages like this:

ok ok... no need to make me see the pictures :oops: I'll buy free range.

CJMST3K

Heineken Helen wrote:

JaneNY wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

i don't know what battery eggs are.... :?

Battery eggs are those layed by hens kept in battery cages like this:

ok ok... no need to make me see the pictures :oops: I'll buy free range.

I think photos of this are helpful. This is a rather tame one but it still gets the point across.

MayDay10

Free Range Eggs for me forever!!!

that looks awful.

Thanks for that.

CJMST3K

Battery cages - in video (just regular video - but still disturbing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4_R5sGHIGo

Catching chickens in the modern world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRwNJxk8LrQ

And... for those who eat chicken, please be brave to know this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjhkJUDm ... re=related
(pardon, but it's narrated by Al Sharpton - but still informative)