why would you HAVE to eat meat?

dcfaithful

soulsinging wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

PearlJamaholic wrote:

yeah but veggies get crap sprayed all over them too. so i dont think the 'meat is full of unnatural chemicals so i only eat fruits and veggies' work for me.

its all tainted.

But you do know it's possible to buy all these things that aren't tainted? There is a choice. And I'm not saying "don't eat meat, it's immoral" or any of that garbage...people should make their own choices.

and yeah, I agree with the point made in here as well, that some people do require it for anemia, etc...so if your body requires you to eat meat, then you should. But in some cases people don't have to eat meat.

What's wrong with General Tso 'chicken' w/ tofu? I've had enchiladas and burritos with fake meat and you honestly can't tell the difference if you know how to cook. Ignorance begins to kick in when people say shit like "tofu?! EWWWW that's so gross!" before they even give it a shot. Most of the time if you don't tell people, they don't know they're eating meat subsitutes.

Well sure you can, but you can find meat without hormones and additives too. Saying our meat supply has too much crap in it so you went vegetarian makes no sense. If you're going the extra mile on that stuff, you can just as easily do it for meat as well. You're talking about organic vs. factory, not vegetarian vs. omnivore.

I know you can find meat with no hormones or additives, I stated that earlier...but my choice isn't just organic vs. factory.

soulsinging

dcfaithful wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Well sure you can, but you can find meat without hormones and additives too. Saying our meat supply has too much crap in it so you went vegetarian makes no sense. If you're going the extra mile on that stuff, you can just as easily do it for meat as well. You're talking about organic vs. factory, not vegetarian vs. omnivore.

I know you can find meat with no hormones or additives, I stated that earlier...but my choice isn't just organic vs. factory.

Oh, I know your choice isn't just between the two, I'm just saying that the argument you've been offering about why people should consider cutting meat from their diet is more an argument for people to buy organic than an argument against meat. If you're going to say people should avoid meat becos it has additives, they should drop fruit and veggies too becos they're all covered in pesticide as well. The reasons to avoid eating meat generally have nothing to do with hormones and whatnot.

mca47

The only "meat" I eat is from birds and fish/seafood.

Haven't touched red-meat in over 13 years and will never go back.

dcfaithful

soulsinging wrote:

dcfaithful wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Well sure you can, but you can find meat without hormones and additives too. Saying our meat supply has too much crap in it so you went vegetarian makes no sense. If you're going the extra mile on that stuff, you can just as easily do it for meat as well. You're talking about organic vs. factory, not vegetarian vs. omnivore.

I know you can find meat with no hormones or additives, I stated that earlier...but my choice isn't just organic vs. factory.

Oh, I know your choice isn't just between the two, I'm just saying that the argument you've been offering about why people should consider cutting meat from their diet is more an argument for people to buy organic than an argument against meat. If you're going to say people should avoid meat becos it has additives, they should drop fruit and veggies too becos they're all covered in pesticide as well. The reasons to avoid eating meat generally have nothing to do with hormones and whatnot.

Yeah you're right, I may have got a little off subject. I was just very suprised when I learned that meat, and produce is treated with all these chemicals. I mean, I eat organic (fruits, veggies, etc.) as much as I can for health reasons...and if I can help someone else make that decision for their health, then I'm happy. But I'd NEVER be the person to judge someone because they eat meat, or make them feel like shit because of it. I also wouldn't shove religion down someones throat...which is something that drives me fuckign nuts!

Thorns2010

Get_Right wrote:

come to NYC and I will take you to lugers, wolfgangs or craft steak

then a stop at katz's deli

then you will understand why people HAVE to have meat

They have a steak place too? When I was in NYC last year my friend took me to the 'Wich Craft

It was pretty good, a little pricey, but everything is in NYC

DinghyDog

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PJaddicted

There are lots of people who can be very healthy and live long lives as vegetarians or vegans, and there are those that just don't do as well. If you don't feel good, you have to find food that you can eat that makes you feel better. I was a veg/vegan for 22 years. By the time I started eating meat again, I too was pretty ill. I tried elimination diets, macrobiotics, gave up coffee, drinking, you name it. Nothing made me feel good until I changed my diet. Since going back on meat, and staying completely away from ALL grain products, I have been fine. I stick to the Paleo way of eating, lean meats/fish, eggs, nuts, veggies and small amounts of fruit. All other foods I eat occasionally, including dairy. My sons and hubby were VERY happy when I started eating meat again.

pearljgirl2010

dcfaithful wrote:

pearljgirl2010 wrote:

someone I know once said "if it was good enough for cavemen to eat, it's good enough for me. It obviously was a good decision or I wouldn't be here today"

Cavemen had clean meat...that wasn't fed antibiotics and all other kinds of crazy shit...

It's just a health issue for me, and some what of an issue that I don't really like to eat an animal that lived in the horrible conditions that they do before they get brutally slaughtered.

TO avoid a heated debate, all I'm going to say is that if you look for it, you can find literature and documentation from people who have worked in slaughter-houses. I just think that "shoving salt up a pigs ass and gouging a cows eyes out" for fun before you kill it isn't really for me.

K, I feel that I've said to much...I apologize for going off the deep end, but I guess I can't help it :oops:

I think you're right...I agree that a lot of meat (and poultry, veggies) are now tainted with hormones/antibiotics/shit....there are alternatives out there like organic, free-range, local, humane, etc...it's more expensive, but at least there ARE alternatives :-)

iluvcats

PJaddicted wrote:

There are lots of people who can be very healthy and live long lives as vegetarians or vegans, and there are those that just don't do as well. If you don't feel good, you have to find food that you can eat that makes you feel better. I was a veg/vegan for 22 years. By the time I started eating meat again, I too was pretty ill. I tried elimination diets, macrobiotics, gave up coffee, drinking, you name it. Nothing made me feel good until I changed my diet. Since going back on meat, and staying completely away from ALL grain products, I have been fine. I stick to the Paleo way of eating, lean meats/fish, eggs, nuts, veggies and small amounts of fruit. All other foods I eat occasionally, including dairy. My sons and hubby were VERY happy when I started eating meat again.

do you have celiac disease?

I eat way too much dairy.

iluvcats

dcfaithful wrote:

You don't HAVE to eat meat. Supplement it. Incorporate beans, legumes, and other things like that into your diet...even protein shakes.

A lot of the meat in the States is loaded with pesticides, hormones, etc...unless you kno where your meat is coming from like a local farm or whatever, and let's all admit not all of us do. Having a vegetarian diet can significantly reduce your risk of disease. The European nations has made a good decision in outlawing all hormones being fed to their livestock. It's more expensive, but the quality of the meat is much, much better. It's typical of America to take the cheap way out, adn get the bigger bang for their buck. I just wish we would strongly consider not scientifically altering all of our food.

I enjoy vegetarianism, but I'm new at it. At the beginning you feel a little weak, nauseous, but you will get used to it. and please don't let other peoples view on tofu gross you out. It's substantial, a good source of protein, and if prepared right can taste mighty delicious.

If you choose not to leave meat behind, not a problem. I've always disliked the vegetarians that give the whole practice a bad name by criticizing people who eat meat. It's all about personal choice and preference. If anything, for health reasons just switch to organic foods...veggies, meats, fruits. They even taste better, especially the meat.

sometimes I buy meat from our local butcher and supposedly that would mean no preservatives. his prices are actually very reasonable. his hours just are not convenient....but i might cook the meat for my husband and end up throwing mine away. And I do have a protein shake "Whey Delicious" that I mix a half serving of into my oatmeal (with wheat germ.)

sennin

As long as you're suplimenting plenty of vitamins and minerals that aren't found in veggies/fruits/nuts/etc, you do not have to eat meat. The minerals and protiens in meat help aid in the bodies ability to absorb certain minerals like iron (form meats and veggies)....which is essential for making red blood cells...which will make you feel tired (body and brain). It's VERY important for children to build up the ability to do this. It makes me cringe a little when parents, who are uneducated vegetarians, have their kids be vegetarians too, without fully knowing what they are doing.

So....be sure to take a really good multi-vitamin....EVERY day. GNC's 'Mega' line is the best i've found. And since you aren't eating meat I would pick up an iron supliment as well. But as always....talk to your doctor first!

PJaddicted

Thought I did, got a biopsy and didn't, I still don't feel good when I eat grains...so I only eat them occasionally. I'm the same age as you...been through so many diets/lifestyles....the only one I feel really good is with Paleo!

JaneNY

Been a vegan for close to 2 years, vegetarian before that. I also teach 10-13 high intensity aerobic classes per week and feel great. Main thing is you have to be knowledgeable about whatever diet you choose in terms of knowing what your body needs and ensuring you get those things, in whatever form is palatable and acceptable to you.

libragirl

Sometimes I feel i want to try to be a vegetarian but I would miss eating steak and hamburgers. I don't think I can give up meat. :oops:

DinghyDog

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battan1120

Because God put us here to rule over the animals.They eat each other for survival,so man eats animals for survival.Always has always will.You want to be a vegatarian,fine with me,just don't feed me that moralistic shit.

whitepants

I haven't eaten red meat or pork since 1994. I eat poultry and fish but that's the extent. And as a female, I developed iron deficiency problems and wound up having a hysterectomy in 2007 (best thing ever! - should be elective surgery). I just took vitamin supplements and iron pills during that stage, now, I don't need any vitamins at all, but I eat fruits and vegetables and beans, and I'm stronger than ever now as I can donate blood every three months on schedule. I accomplish this all w/out red meat and pork.

iluvcats

PJaddicted wrote:

Thought I did, got a biopsy and didn't, I still don't feel good when I eat grains...so I only eat them occasionally. I'm the same age as you...been through so many diets/lifestyles....the only one I feel really good is with Paleo!

i've seen your pic and you don't look my age. are you sure? i'm 49!

as for those mentioning iron deficiencies, that was my first thought due to my light headedness. my blood work was fine.

yesterday i ate fried onions with fried 85 percent fattening ground beef by itself before i put spaghetti sauce it in for my husband. sometimes even though i buy skinless, boneless chicken breasts, it tastes greasy to me and i throw it away. i ate my 5 ounces of meat definitely yesterday.

Get_Right

Thorns2010 wrote:

Get_Right wrote:

come to NYC and I will take you to lugers, wolfgangs or craft steak

then a stop at katz's deli

then you will understand why people HAVE to have meat

They have a steak place too? When I was in NYC last year my friend took me to the 'Wich Craft

It was pretty good, a little pricey, but everything is in NYC

yuk yuk

flywallyfly

battan1120 wrote:

Because God put us here to rule over the animals.They eat each other for survival,so man eats animals for survival.Always has always will.You want to be a vegatarian,fine with me,just don't feed me that moralistic shit.

I didnt know I was ruler of anything !! God WANTS me to eat meat ?!! :roll: