As a long time fan 156XXX I have slowly moved up to be first 10-15 rows most shows. I never bitched that some were in the front..where is this coming from?? I'd rather go back to GA floor and fight for the front like in 1994/1995 than give up my seat cause you just discovered the band. I can accept a row 1/2 9/10 lotto..cause I might win or lose, but giving up senority is a bad idea.
I'm a 106XXX, and I'd rather have GA again, as well... nothing like a pit to see who really belongs up front... problem is that lots of PJ fans don't understand the concept of GA... Fact is, when Lukin comes on, and some fans want to start a circle pit, you have some loser crying that "somebody is pushing me." STFU! If you don't like it, move back!
Amen to that. I'm all for GA. My biggest gripe about being on the floor is that every venue I've ever been to seems to have the smallest, most cramped seats possible set up on the floor. A normal sized guy could never sit in that chair... they're not meant to be placed the way they place them on the floor. I'm not a fan of having to hold my breath for an entire show for fear of knocking the guy next to me's beer all over us both.
That said, I'd probably hang by the back... I'm too old for a pit!
Then what's the point of seniority if you're not going to be rewarded for it? I have a somewhat low number 123XXX - and I've been blessed to be front row center for Lexington 2003 -- and when I went to see them in Cincinnati in 2006 I had good seats, but they were also the worst ones I've ever gotten through the 10c -- not that I am bitching. I am happy I get to be closer than most.
I think what happened for me is that it use to be you got two tickets... period. You could get two to one show, or one ticket for two shows. This allowed people to be at the best possible spot for their shows... that kept people with really low numbers to be in the first two rows for each and every show. Personally I liked that. What I use to do was get three buddies and we'd each buy a show, then we would have the best seats we each could get for that show... it worked out great.
I am in full support of the lottery if it circulates people at each show, I just know that nowadays I don't have the time to go to 6 shows on a tour, much less money to spend on shows with mortgages, doggies, and being a grown up.
I'm just happy that after being in the 10c for 13 years I've gotten to see some great shows, I've had picks given to me from Mike, and have met Stone... Some of my favorite memories are from seeing the boys do their thing.
Please remember that not everyone is able to get 10C seats. It is possible for members with a low number to get shut out and the crowd could be made up of 300XXX and higher. Not likely, but with more new members trying, it's going to be harder to get them.
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Please remember that not everyone is able to get 10C seats. It is possible for members with a low number to get shut out and the crowd could be made up of 300XXX and higher. Not likely, but with more new members trying, it's going to be harder to get them.
it could be but then again i think they could do something as a way for that not to happen
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Please remember that not everyone is able to get 10C seats. It is possible for members with a low number to get shut out and the crowd could be made up of 300XXX and higher. Not likely, but with more new members trying, it's going to be harder to get them.
it could be but then again i think they could do something as a way for that not to happen
And what would that be?
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Please remember that not everyone is able to get 10C seats. It is possible for members with a low number to get shut out and the crowd could be made up of 300XXX and higher. Not likely, but with more new members trying, it's going to be harder to get them.
it could be but then again i think they could do something as a way for that not to happen
And what would that be?
this will never happen, but let 10c members buy as many tickets as they want to a place for a certain amount of time- say 2 or 3 days, then after that, the rest of the seats go to the general public. You could still have the 1/2 and 9/10 row lottery and seniority. But Ticketmaster will never let this happen since it would kill their scalpers they make so much money off of. The new lottery system is the best thing they can do.
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Way back when in the late 90's the 10c only allowed 2 tix for 2 different shows per member. Going back to something like that would satisfy just about everyone. It doesn't have to be 2 shows, they can bump it up to 5 or so. I think that would solve alot of problems. I used to have a good number but forgot to renew a couple of times. Now I'm in the 300,000's. I like to go to Hartford, cuz it's close. Only got tix thru 10c once, in 98. When there was a two venue limit. Now I have to settle for lawn seats or hike up to the Pepsi Arena in Albany, which I don't mind too much since it's PJ.
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Please remember that not everyone is able to get 10C seats. It is possible for members with a low number to get shut out and the crowd could be made up of 300XXX and higher. Not likely, but with more new members trying, it's going to be harder to get them.
Yes you are right! I have a low #, but couldn't even score tickets to my Boston venue last tour! They sold out in like 1 sec! I was lucky enough to get tix through 10c for Hartford, but yes, even though you have the ability, the low# etc, still does not guarantee you any tickets at all... I am happy and lucky regardless of my seniority to get tickets to see the best band in the world! The one I love the most!
This is ignorant. I didn't read the thread, so it's probably been stated but what would be the point of the Ten Club numbers if they didn't go by seniority? Everyone would just let theirs lapse and then sign up again when a tour starts. The Ten Club would lose all kinds of money.
*And for the record I don't have a very good number, but I've paid faithfully for about 7 years.
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I can see how it would be fustrating for newer members, but I've paying my dues diligently since 1994. Being able to say you're in the fanclub of your fave band is nice and all, but without the seniority which I use for a number of shows and and am always more than willing to share my extra with others than there really isn't an advantage to being in the club for me. I usually get merch sent to a friend in the US because the shipping costs are insane.
2 reasons: First, think of the new fans to the band that'll jump onboard with the rerelease-- every new fan has very little chance of seeing the band up close. If I was a new fan, I'd be disappointed. That being said, I've loved the band since year 1, but my number is in the upper 300K. I only joined the club a few years ago because my ex-gf had a low number. After seeing Ed play solo at NJPAC last year, it was absolutely breathtaking to see my favorite singer only 13 rows back. It sucks that I will probably never see them so close again. No seniority worked well for the Ed solo shows, let's do it again for the whole band.
I suggest you make friends with some people with low numbers as soon as possible
People will not want to give up their seniority if they have been paying their dues since day 1. I belong to that group by the way
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If there was no seniority, a lot of scalpers would join the 10-C and have as good a shot at great seats as a 20-year fan. And, just as bad, there'd be nothing stopping actual fan club members selling great seats for big bucks.
The rules as they stand now ensure the most "real" fans in the good seats. If your number sucks, befriend someone with a better one, and scour the board the weeks/days leading up to the show(s).
Anyone with a low # want to be friends?? I have a real shitty ten club number. I've been a huge fan of the band since 1992 but did not join the Ten Club until more recent times. Your kindness would be greatly appreciated!
i have a shitty number but i still think we should keep seniority...it makes sense to have it...ill still be front row for every GA/festival show i go too!
If there was no seniority, a lot of scalpers would join the 10-C and have as good a shot at great seats as a 20-year fan. And, just as bad, there'd be nothing stopping actual fan club members selling great seats for big bucks.
The rules as they stand now ensure the most "real" fans in the good seats. If your number sucks, befriend someone with a better one, and scour the board the weeks/days leading up to the show(s).
Anyone with a low # want to be friends?? I have a real shitty ten club number. I've been a huge fan of the band since 1992 but did not join the Ten Club until more recent times. Your kindness would be greatly appreciated!
BTW, I forgot to put in my last post that I think they should keep seniorty and the lottery (since it gives those of us with shitty seats the chance to move up) but how about expanding the lottery a few more rows? And mixing the lottery up...if someone wins one night they are eliminated from winning the lottery for more than one show on a tour. This way would give more Ten Club members a chance to sit up front.
I don't think anyone is ever going to find it fair if it screws them. Maybe they should have never changed it last tour, cause now everyone has more reason to bitch and moan on how it "should" be.
Of course, I can definitely see people dropping the fan club if seniority is no longer an incentive. People will only join at the membership deadlines for tickets.
Never say you won't get close to see PJ...people with good numbers always offer their extras or trades if they can't go. Plus not every show they do is guarantee to have 10C tickets. I don't get why people think they will NEVER get a chance to see PJ up close.
Keep the damn seniority, cause no matter what 10C does, people will be unhappy. Why change something that's been there since the start and people knew about when they joined?
2 reasons: First, think of the new fans to the band that'll jump onboard with the rerelease-- every new fan has very little chance of seeing the band up close. If I was a new fan, I'd be disappointed. That being said, I've loved the band since year 1, but my number is in the upper 300K. I only joined the club a few years ago because my ex-gf had a low number. After seeing Ed play solo at NJPAC last year, it was absolutely breathtaking to see my favorite singer only 13 rows back. It sucks that I will probably never see them so close again. No seniority worked well for the Ed solo shows, let's do it again for the whole band.
Havent read all the pages so not sure if someone else pointed this out....but come to Europe...seniority means nothing here :twisted: I've only ever been rows 1 or 2 in Europe...then when I went to the US last year got lottery row 10....happy days
I think the way they had it last year was incredibly fair. My 10C number is over 300xxx, but I still think it's as equitable as it can be. Obviously I want to be as close as possible, but I understand that seniority certainly has its place and deserves some priority. I'm sure some of the members of the band notice when it's the same people in front every time, which his why having rows 1-2, and 9-10 be random was very equitable. That way, everyone has a chance (even it it's a small one, perhaps 10% of getting up front or closer), and those that have seniority still have excellent seats. I'm not really sure if there is a better way than what was devised for the '08 tour.
I haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with this.......I've loved PJ from the beginning but only joined the 10C in 06, but its right to keep the seniority and reward the fans that have been paying their dues from the beginning. At least with the lotto the newer members have the chance of getting up close, so I hope they keep this policy too.
I'm lucky being in Europe, I can queue for the afternoon and get in the 2nd and 3rd row
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The lottery is already giving new people the chance to see them up close. I've never been up in the first few rows despite the fact that I have a been in the fanclub for eleven years.
I'd be upset if I was thrown even further back if they got rid of seniority. :x
Here is the way I see it, for what little it is worth...
I don't have I high PJ number. I've never been in the front row. My first show was one of the side sections in Philly '06. As it turned out, there were no people in between my seat and McCready, just like 25 ft of barricaded area. I was completely stoked.
I was at Columbia and Virginia Beach in '08. I'm not going to lie, the idea of having even the slightest chance of getting row 1 had me on pins and needles. I didn't get those seats, but I was within the first 10 rows for both shows, still had every bit the time of my life, and the person I chose to take with my second ticket *gushed* over how amazing the seats were and how wonderful a show it was.
Sure, I'd love to be 1st row just one time in my life. But I didn't join the club back when I should have, and despite that, I'm eternally thankful for the AMAZING seats that I do get with my mediocre membership number.
I thank the 10c nearly everyday when I consider how simple, painfree, and brilliant the ticketing has been.
I'm still hoping for that elusive 1st row ticket (I'm sure I'd cry like a baby), but I still think that every show I have experienced has been a spiritual and brilliant moment in my life despite not being in the front 2...
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The lottery is already giving new people the chance to see them up close. I've never been up in the first few rows despite the fact that I have a been in the fanclub for eleven years.
I'd be upset if I was thrown even further back if they got rid of seniority. :x
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Amen to that. I'm all for GA. My biggest gripe about being on the floor is that every venue I've ever been to seems to have the smallest, most cramped seats possible set up on the floor. A normal sized guy could never sit in that chair... they're not meant to be placed the way they place them on the floor. I'm not a fan of having to hold my breath for an entire show for fear of knocking the guy next to me's beer all over us both.
That said, I'd probably hang by the back... I'm too old for a pit!
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I think what happened for me is that it use to be you got two tickets... period. You could get two to one show, or one ticket for two shows. This allowed people to be at the best possible spot for their shows... that kept people with really low numbers to be in the first two rows for each and every show. Personally I liked that. What I use to do was get three buddies and we'd each buy a show, then we would have the best seats we each could get for that show... it worked out great.
I am in full support of the lottery if it circulates people at each show, I just know that nowadays I don't have the time to go to 6 shows on a tour, much less money to spend on shows with mortgages, doggies, and being a grown up.
I'm just happy that after being in the 10c for 13 years I've gotten to see some great shows, I've had picks given to me from Mike, and have met Stone... Some of my favorite memories are from seeing the boys do their thing.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
this will never happen, but let 10c members buy as many tickets as they want to a place for a certain amount of time- say 2 or 3 days, then after that, the rest of the seats go to the general public. You could still have the 1/2 and 9/10 row lottery and seniority. But Ticketmaster will never let this happen since it would kill their scalpers they make so much money off of. The new lottery system is the best thing they can do.
Yes you are right! I have a low #, but couldn't even score tickets to my Boston venue last tour! They sold out in like 1 sec! I was lucky enough to get tix through 10c for Hartford, but yes, even though you have the ability, the low# etc, still does not guarantee you any tickets at all... I am happy and lucky regardless of my seniority to get tickets to see the best band in the world! The one I love the most!
*And for the record I don't have a very good number, but I've paid faithfully for about 7 years.
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I suggest you make friends with some people with low numbers as soon as possible
People will not want to give up their seniority if they have been paying their dues since day 1. I belong to that group by the way
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Anyone with a low # want to be friends?? I have a real shitty ten club number. I've been a huge fan of the band since 1992 but did not join the Ten Club until more recent times. Your kindness would be greatly appreciated!
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BTW, I forgot to put in my last post that I think they should keep seniorty and the lottery (since it gives those of us with shitty seats the chance to move up) but how about expanding the lottery a few more rows? And mixing the lottery up...if someone wins one night they are eliminated from winning the lottery for more than one show on a tour. This way would give more Ten Club members a chance to sit up front.
Of course, I can definitely see people dropping the fan club if seniority is no longer an incentive. People will only join at the membership deadlines for tickets.
Never say you won't get close to see PJ...people with good numbers always offer their extras or trades if they can't go. Plus not every show they do is guarantee to have 10C tickets. I don't get why people think they will NEVER get a chance to see PJ up close.
Keep the damn seniority, cause no matter what 10C does, people will be unhappy. Why change something that's been there since the start and people knew about when they joined?
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Havent read all the pages so not sure if someone else pointed this out....but come to Europe...seniority means nothing here :twisted: I've only ever been rows 1 or 2 in Europe...then when I went to the US last year got lottery row 10....happy days
I haven't read the whole thread, but I agree with this.......I've loved PJ from the beginning but only joined the 10C in 06, but its right to keep the seniority and reward the fans that have been paying their dues from the beginning. At least with the lotto the newer members have the chance of getting up close, so I hope they keep this policy too.
I'm lucky being in Europe, I can queue for the afternoon and get in the 2nd and 3rd row
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I'd be upset if I was thrown even further back if they got rid of seniority. :x
I don't have I high PJ number. I've never been in the front row. My first show was one of the side sections in Philly '06. As it turned out, there were no people in between my seat and McCready, just like 25 ft of barricaded area. I was completely stoked.
I was at Columbia and Virginia Beach in '08. I'm not going to lie, the idea of having even the slightest chance of getting row 1 had me on pins and needles. I didn't get those seats, but I was within the first 10 rows for both shows, still had every bit the time of my life, and the person I chose to take with my second ticket *gushed* over how amazing the seats were and how wonderful a show it was.
Sure, I'd love to be 1st row just one time in my life. But I didn't join the club back when I should have, and despite that, I'm eternally thankful for the AMAZING seats that I do get with my mediocre membership number.
I thank the 10c nearly everyday when I consider how simple, painfree, and brilliant the ticketing has been.
I'm still hoping for that elusive 1st row ticket (I'm sure I'd cry like a baby), but I still think that every show I have experienced has been a spiritual and brilliant moment in my life despite not being in the front 2...
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