Man. How many times do I have to say it? I am not bent out of shape about losing it. I am over it. Yes, I was upset the DAY OF because I got fired. That's totally normal ...to be upset about getting fired the day it happens.
He is a criminal tax evader because he does not pay taxes on his business! That's the whole reason he pays under the table to avoid paying payroll taxes, etc.
I am not a criminal. I filed my taxes legitimately. I did not claim income earned from the car wash job because I did not receive a 1099 form and I did not earn more than 600 dollars. There was nothing to report. There was no W-2 at the start of the job.
If you're gonna call me a criminal for that, then you might as well call everyone who works there a criminal. It's not our fault. It's the bosses fault for paying us under the table and avoiding taxation altogether. That's illegal.
I did nothing illegal. If I had received a 1099 (which I did not) I would have filed it.
So a job that didn't even earn you $600 in one year led to the first post in this thread?
This is hilarious. So because the employer you knew was illegally paying employees under the table didn't make you fill out a W-2 and didn't send you a 1099, you are relieved of any obligation to pay taxes? News flash dude, the other people working there ARE criminals if they didn't pay taxes... just as you are and just as he is.
So a job that didn't even earn you $600 in one year led to the first post in this thread?
This is hilarious. So because the employer you knew was illegally paying employees under the table didn't make you fill out a W-2 and didn't send you a 1099, you are relieved of any obligation to pay taxes? News flash dude, the other people working there ARE criminals if they didn't pay taxes... just as you are and just as he is.
No. I did not work there for the whole year. Again with the assumptions. I STARTED working there in late November of 08. I was there JUST over two months. I did not realize it was illegal while I was working there. Yes, if there is no W-2 and there is no 1099, and I make less than 600, there is nothing to claim. Let's be honest, NOBODY claims cash. There are millions of people out there. If everyone who ever did that was arrested, jails would be so overcrowded that the overcrowding that exists now would pale in comparison.
As I stated before, I legitimately filed and paid my taxes. I had one other job in 08 that was completely legal that I paid taxes for legitimately. There is nothing to claim for just over TWO months of a job with little to no income earned, no W-2 and no 1099. There is no record or proof whatsoever that I even worked there. Due to the nature of the situation, it is quite literally as if I never worked there. I can't speak for my former co-workers. As for my former boss, he is a criminal.
So a job that didn't even earn you $600 in one year led to the first post in this thread?
This is hilarious. So because the employer you knew was illegally paying employees under the table didn't make you fill out a W-2 and didn't send you a 1099, you are relieved of any obligation to pay taxes? News flash dude, the other people working there ARE criminals if they didn't pay taxes... just as you are and just as he is.
No. I did not work there for the whole year. Again with the assumptions. I STARTED working there in late November of 08. I was there JUST over two months. I did not realize it was illegal while I was working there. Yes, if there is no W-2 and there is no 1099, and I make less than 600, there is nothing to claim. Let's be honest, NOBODY claims cash. There are millions of people out there. If everyone who ever did that was arrested, jails would be so overcrowded that the overcrowding that exists now would pale in comparison.
As I stated before, I legitimately filed and paid my taxes. I had one other job in 08 that was completely legal that I paid taxes for legitimately. There is nothing to claim for just over TWO months of a job with little to no income earned, no W-2 and no 1099. There is no record or proof whatsoever that I even worked there. Due to the nature of the situation, it is quite literally as if I never worked there. I can't speak for my former co-workers. As for my former boss, he is a criminal.
I believe what others are trying to say is that when an illegal transaction happens, both parties - giving and receiving - are equally culpable. And I think it's also been thrown out there that the mature thing to do would be to take responsibility for your part in this illegal activity.
But it sounds to me - and I'm trying to pay close attention here - like you're saying you didn't commit any illegal activity by taking the money and not claiming it on your taxes because the job lasted less than 3 months and you made less than $600. (I'm no tax expert, so I won't make any claims about the validity of this line of reasoning.) By that logic, given the line of reasoning above about both parties being culpable, it would seem that if you didn't do anything illegal in your transactions with your employer, then he didn't do anything illegal in his transactions with you.
As for the legality of his transactions with the other employees, we don't have enough info to determine whether his transactions with them were illegal (assuming you are right about the parameters of legal under-the-table transactions, which is a whole other question). Maybe none of the other employees worked more than 3 months or made more than $600 either. Hell, if that's where the line is drawn between what's legal and what's not, maybe that's the real reason he fired you - so he wouldn't cross the line into doing something illegal.
I got fired 10 years ago from a legal secretary job when the personal assistant to the fuckhead of a boss looked at my emails and printed what I'd written about the boss to another secretary. I wrote that "none of us would care if he got run over by a bulldozer and all his guts squashed out of his mouth like a squashed toad on the road!"
Oops!
that is classic by the way.
at my last company, we had this really annoying woman as our manager and she just didnt know what she was doing. most people couldnt stand her. we would have email threads similar to the one you described....anyway, my one friend intended to forward one of her dumb emails to me and made some inappropriate, yet funny, comment about her weight issues (she was a tad overweight)...however instead of forwarding it to me, he actually hit the "reply" button and sent it to me and her! :shock: this was late in the day after she had gone home. so we're freaking out trying to figure out what we can do. luckily one of the team leaders, who is a good friend of ours, was there and he got in touch with someone in IT (who had already left for the day) and the IT guy was able to log on from home and somehow delete that email so our manager never saw it....phew...this was when our company was relatively young. years later, no IT would ever do that and both of us would probably have lost our jobs immediately. funny story though.
Thank you! I'm quite proud of that one! lol I was planning on quitting in the next couple of weeks anyway so I wasn't too concerned!
Man, you would have shit yourself once you realised that the email had been sent to her! hahahahaha Made a fun memory though you'll laugh about forever!
We got a brand new photocopier at work once worth $10,000 or something and on the day we got it the receptionist and I thought we'd try and photocopy a plastic overhead projector transparency -- but didn't realise that the photocopier couldn't copy that particular weight of plastic. We had melted plastic ALL OVER the internal rollers and the more we pulled the more stringy it would get. ABSOLUTELY SHIT OURSELVES!!! Sooo scared we'd fucked it! We ended up getting it out and no one knew.
Just for your own information, though, I think here's what people hear when you say things like those below... and I think it's this attitude they hear that they're trying to warn you against. (Not saying it's the attitude you actually have, just letting you know how it can come across.)
I did not realize it was illegal while I was working there.
If I don't know it's wrong, it's not my fault.
Let's be honest, NOBODY claims cash.
Everyone else is doing it, so it's not my fault.
As I stated before, I legitimately filed and paid my taxes. I had one other job in 08 that was completely legal that I paid taxes for legitimately.
Hey, I'm a good guy and I did almost everything legally, so I shouldn't have to take responsibility for the one little thing I did wrong.
There is nothing to claim for just over TWO months of a job with little to no income earned, no W-2 and no 1099. There is no record or proof whatsoever that I even worked there. Due to the nature of the situation, it is quite literally as if I never worked there.
I barely even broke the law, so it shouldn't count.
I believe what others are trying to say is that when an illegal transaction happens, both parties - giving and receiving - are equally culpable. And I think it's also been thrown out there that the mature thing to do would be to take responsibility for your part in this illegal activity.
But it sounds to me - and I'm trying to pay close attention here - like you're saying you didn't commit any illegal activity by taking the money and not claiming it on your taxes because the job lasted less than 3 months and you made less than $600. (I'm no tax expert, so I won't make any claims about the validity of this line of reasoning.) By that logic, given the line of reasoning above about both parties being culpable, it would seem that if you didn't do anything illegal in your transactions with your employer, then he didn't do anything illegal in his transactions with you.
As for the legality of his transactions with the other employees, we don't have enough info to determine whether his transactions with them were illegal (assuming you are right about the parameters of legal under-the-table transactions, which is a whole other question). Maybe none of the other employees worked more than 3 months or made more than $600 either. Hell, if that's where the line is drawn between what's legal and what's not, maybe that's the real reason he fired you - so he wouldn't cross the line into doing something illegal.
There is nothing to take responsibility for. I don't work there anymore. As I've already said, there is no proof or record whatsoever that I ever worked there.
That is correct, I did not commit any illegal activity. The ONLY WAY I could have POSSIBLY committed illegal activity is if there had been a W-2 or 1099 form to fill out and I simply didn't do it - which is NOT the case.
My former boss DID and DOES commit illegal activity. If you own your own business and are paying employees to work for you, you are required to pay payroll taxes, etc. He does not pay any taxes.
As for your claim that the real reason he fired me was maybe so he wouldn't cross the line into doing something illegal is ridiculous. There are multiple people that have been there for over 10 years and have earned FAR MORE than 600 dollars. They obviously weren't fired before they earned that amount, so that is not the case.
You can't be unfairly fired if you were never properly hired in the first place. All else is moot.
So what are you saying? It's a totally illegitimate job? Everyone working there is hired in the exact same way. That means that NO ONE working there was properly hired.
In one word, yes.
He offered to pay people illegally to work. People chose to take his illegal money. Everyone involved is entering into an illegal exchange of money.
115 bucks for half a haircut by a novice? I want my money back!
You can't be unfairly fired if you were never properly hired in the first place. All else is moot.
So what are you saying? It's a totally illegitimate job? Everyone working there is hired in the exact same way. That means that NO ONE working there was properly hired.
In one word, yes.
He offered to pay people illegally to work. People chose to take his illegal money. Everyone involved is entering into an illegal exchange of money.
Lol, I just looked him up in the phone book. He's listed. PM me and I'll give you his number and you can call him up and let him know he is paying people illegally to work. Pretend you're an auditer or something.
They don't cross reference everybody's taxes. Things like you filing your earnings from him is what will get him audited. There is something to claim, taxes from the $600 you earned.
you say that he didnt pay people by check.....that he paid people cash "under the table"
but yout story starts out by saying how you went to work early to pick up your PAYCHECK?????
sit and relax, please.
everyone there calls it a "check." it is in fact cash we are paid with. it's just a habit to call it a check.
should have clarified. no biggie.
wow, I've no idea why the fuck everyone's shitting on you... kick a man while he's down eh? Ignore the assholes.
Do a bit of reading up on your state law regarding this, sit back and relax and don't do anything while it's still raw and in a couple of weeks see if you still want to pursue this and figure out how you're going to do that. This guy sounds like an absolute ass. I'd definitely report something like that but check up how it's going to affect you first.
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you guys are a bunch of idiots. you don't know me and you don't understand the situation exactly, so just shut up.
i shouldn't have posted this.
you shoudnt have posted this....
and you should try to act like an adult....
HAHAHAHAHAHA... pot meet kettle
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Lol, I just looked him up in the phone book. He's listed. PM me and I'll give you his number and you can call him up and let him know he is paying people illegally to work. Pretend you're an auditer or something.
Post what happens.
Just stating what the basic principles of employment law are. Not about to make an international call for a situation I don't care that much about
115 bucks for half a haircut by a novice? I want my money back!
you say that he didnt pay people by check.....that he paid people cash "under the table"
but yout story starts out by saying how you went to work early to pick up your PAYCHECK?????
sit and relax, please.
everyone there calls it a "check." it is in fact cash we are paid with. it's just a habit to call it a check.
should have clarified. no biggie.
wow, I've no idea why the fuck everyone's shitting on you... kick a man while he's down eh? Ignore the assholes.
it's difficult to ignore them when there are so fucking many of them...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
everyone there calls it a "check." it is in fact cash we are paid with. it's just a habit to call it a check.
should have clarified. no biggie.
wow, I've no idea why the fuck everyone's shitting on you... kick a man while he's down eh? Ignore the assholes.
it's difficult to ignore them when there are so fucking many of them...
I know... for fuck sake... the guy got the sack and was having a rant... like we all do... and people are all over it like flies. Nice :roll: sometimes it's ok to just say 'that's shit, I'm sorry you had a bad day and I hope you pick yourself up from this experience', rather than putting words in the guys mouth and not reading a word he said.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
The next job you have, learn to watch your mouth. In all reality, that could be considered sexual harrassment, which is against the law. You can get into big trouble for that shit, they don't play around anymore.
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.
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The next job you have, learn to watch your mouth. In all reality, that could be considered sexual harrassment, which is against the law. You can get into big trouble for that shit, they don't play around anymore.
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
I think stealing is a bit more serious than cracking a joke... you're lucky they didn't have you arrested.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
The next job you have, learn to watch your mouth. In all reality, that could be considered sexual harrassment, which is against the law. You can get into big trouble for that shit, they don't play around anymore.
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
I think stealing is a bit more serious than cracking a joke... you're lucky they didn't have you arrested.
HAHAHA...well, they never CAUGHT me stealing the smokes and goodies. They said I was stealing cash, which I honestly wasn't! I might add, come to find out, it was the store MANAGER doing it and blaming it on the cashiers! Asshole.
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one.
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The next job you have, learn to watch your mouth. In all reality, that could be considered sexual harrassment, which is against the law. You can get into big trouble for that shit, they don't play around anymore.
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
I think stealing is a bit more serious than cracking a joke... you're lucky they didn't have you arrested.
HAHAHA...well, they never CAUGHT me stealing the smokes and goodies. They said I was stealing cash, which I honestly wasn't! I might add, come to find out, it was the store MANAGER doing it and blaming it on the cashiers! Asshole.
How the FUCK is taking a job and getting paid for it wrong?
It's not like I CHOSE to be paid under the table.
These comments and claims of hypocrisy are utterly ridiculous.
THERE IS NOTHING TO CLAIM IF YOU ARE PAID UNDER THE TABLE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TERM "UNDER THE TABLE."
YES it is/was that you chose to be paid under the table. After the first "check" being paid in cash , from that point on you were complicit! One could even argue that , from the first day you worked you were complicit , in that you didn't fill out an app, tax forms, etc. And yes there is something to claim if paid under the table. You DID receive monies for work perfomed , right? Whether or not you received a 1099 is irrelevant.
And while you may be LEGALLY an adult , you sure haven't responded to US here in an adult manner. If the attitude shown here is any indication of who you are as a person , then had you worked for me you ass would have been canned in the first week. Bent out of shape , even if only on the day you were let go , from a job you EARNED less than 600 in TWO months is incredible to me.
Chalk this up to a learning experience. A. about what jobs to take in the future and B what/how to post here and what to expect from others on what you do post.
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I've been fired from about 5 jobs - I've lost count. Fuck jobs! I only have to work for about 6 hours a week at the moment and get paid a full weeks wage. Ha Ha! Fuck all my ex-'bosses'!
forget about the IRS finding you - aren't you a tiny bit worried about your old boss finding you if you turn him in? it wouldn't be difficult to put 2 and 2 together....
you never know what people are capable of if you fuck around with their livlihood (sp?)!
They don't cross reference everybody's taxes. Things like you filing your earnings from him is what will get him audited. There is something to claim, taxes from the $600 you earned.
Wrong. I earned less than that amount. There is nothing to claim. There is no proof or record that I ever worked there. He could be easily audited for continuously and repeatedly avoiding paying any taxes whatsoever on his illegitimate business he's been running for a long time, 10-20 years. He has screwed the government out of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Heineken Helen & Dunkman - Thank you. Finally, some people with some sense, who don't like to argue for the sake of arguing and be mean to a fellow Pearl Jam fan after he has lost his job in a shitty economy, no less. A lot of you have shown your true colors and I am sickened.
Speedy McCready - You're an idiot. If karma is any indication, you will get what you deserve.
The next job you have, learn to watch your mouth. In all reality, that could be considered sexual harrassment, which is against the law. You can get into big trouble for that shit, they don't play around anymore.
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
Don't even try to tell me what to do. Don't compare yourself to me. I made an absolutely harmless joke not directed at anyone in particular. You're a thief who stole. HUGE difference.
FOR THE LAST TIME, I AM NOT GOING TO THE IRS. I HAVE SAID THIS NUMEROUS TIMES BUT MOST OF YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO READ. I WAS SIMPLY ANGRY IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT AFTER LOSING MY JOB AND WEIGHING MY OPTIONS AS TO WHAT I MIGHT DO.
I find it pretty ironic that a lot of you are saying I'm not acting like an adult when nothing could be further from the truth. Talk about putting words in my mouth and not reading/comprehending what I am saying!
YES it is/was that you chose to be paid under the table. After the first "check" being paid in cash , from that point on you were complicit! One could even argue that , from the first day you worked you were complicit , in that you didn't fill out an app, tax forms, etc. And yes there is something to claim if paid under the table. You DID receive monies for work perfomed , right? Whether or not you received a 1099 is irrelevant.
And while you may be LEGALLY an adult , you sure haven't responded to US here in an adult manner. If the attitude shown here is any indication of who you are as a person , then had you worked for me you ass would have been canned in the first week. Bent out of shape , even if only on the day you were let go , from a job you EARNED less than 600 in TWO months is incredible to me.
Chalk this up to a learning experience. A. about what jobs to take in the future and B what/how to post here and what to expect from others on what you do post.
Wrong. I did not CHOOSE to be paid under the table. I am obviously not in charge of how I am paid if I am working for somebody else. Once again, I have ALREADY clarified that it was not a check but in fact cash. I was not complicit because I thought for sure there would be a 1099 form given to me which never happened because my former boss is a crook. There is nothing to claim when 1. I earned less than 600 dollars and 2. There is no proof or record that I ever worked there.
I am acting like a totally normal adult. You have no call to tell me otherwise. You don't know me. I am probably more mature than you. Don't tell me what would happen if I worked for you. I am not bent out of shape. You people have repeatedly put words in my mouth incorrectly. I have stated numerous, numerous times that I am not bent out shape. I was simply upset the day the firing occured and letting off some steam. It's always bad when you lose your job but especially bad when it's in this economy. I give everyone the respect of reading what they say, you can do the same for me and stop making false and incorrect accusations and comments.
I just want to ask about 2 things in the intial post
Jealousy? what are people jealous about?
You're taking him to small claims court for what?
Who knows what they are jealous about? That might not be the case. I stated in my original post that I wasn't sure if that was the case, but it sure seemed like it at times. Everyone seemed to complain about me when they were doing the same things. A lot of insecurity brewing. If people were really secure and comfortable with themselves, they wouldn't feel the need to jump on others.
I am more than likely NOT talking him to small claims court. Again, as I've said, I was ranting in the heat of the moment and weighing my options. I could take him to court because it's illegal to pay under the table and his business could be shut down. Yes, this may affect me as well, having been a former employee of his, but the most affected person would be him.
forget about the IRS finding you - aren't you a tiny bit worried about your old boss finding you if you turn him in? it wouldn't be difficult to put 2 and 2 together....
you never know what people are capable of if you fuck around with their livlihood (sp?)!
No I am not worried about my old boss finding me. He doesn't even have my address. All he has is my name and cell number. I could change my cell number easily (which I won't). I actually have more information on him than he has on me. I know his name, cell number, home number, the cars he drives, who his older brother is, his brother's number and address and have a friend who was also a former employee who knows where he lives. Not saying I would do anything about that, I'm saying I know way more on him.
He is fucking with my livelihood by firing me! Realistically, the opposite of what you're saying is really the truth. I've got nothing to lose. I'm just some young kid. He is a married man with a house, daughter, cars and tons of money.
It seems to me that you are missing two important points here: 1) you were an employee at will which meant your employer could fire you at any moment for any reason whatsoever. That's it. You have no recourse to being fired. 2) you are responsible to report any income earned over the course of the year to the IRS. If your employer does not report your income it is still your responsibility to pay taxes on whatever amount you earned. And yes, you do have a choice whether or not to accept your paycheck under the table. You can either ask to have taxes deducted or decline the job.
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no probs.. there's very little worse than when you're down, come on here for a rant and then have people jump down your throat thinking they know everything about the situation and reading into any little word whilst ignoring the words where you already answered them :roll: . There are plenty of cool people here, sometimes I still rant and there will be fuckers who respond to it thinking I wanted them to analyse the situation and get their opinion... when all ya really want is 'that's shit, I'm sorry'.
Sure, it's a discussion board and if you start a thread it means the topic's up for discussion but seriously, some people need to have a little cop on.
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It seems to me that you are missing two important points here: 1) you were an employee at will which meant your employer could fire you at any moment for any reason whatsoever. That's it. You have no recourse to being fired. 2) you are responsible to report any income earned over the course of the year to the IRS. If your employer does not report your income it is still your responsibility to pay taxes on whatever amount you earned. And yes, you do have a choice whether or not to accept your paycheck under the table. You can either ask to have taxes deducted or decline the job.
yes, but if one party in an 'illegal agreement' fucks the other one over for whatever reason, they should think long and hard before they do that.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
If his business was shut down , then more people than just him and his family would be affected.The other people who work there would also be affected. But fuck them , they were jealous right?
And further , you being the adult you claim , would know that not NOT filling out a w-4 or any forms for that matter would be suspicious.
Please explain what small claims court would do for you , IF you were to go that route?
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So a job that didn't even earn you $600 in one year led to the first post in this thread?
This is hilarious. So because the employer you knew was illegally paying employees under the table didn't make you fill out a W-2 and didn't send you a 1099, you are relieved of any obligation to pay taxes? News flash dude, the other people working there ARE criminals if they didn't pay taxes... just as you are and just as he is.
No. I did not work there for the whole year. Again with the assumptions. I STARTED working there in late November of 08. I was there JUST over two months. I did not realize it was illegal while I was working there. Yes, if there is no W-2 and there is no 1099, and I make less than 600, there is nothing to claim. Let's be honest, NOBODY claims cash. There are millions of people out there. If everyone who ever did that was arrested, jails would be so overcrowded that the overcrowding that exists now would pale in comparison.
As I stated before, I legitimately filed and paid my taxes. I had one other job in 08 that was completely legal that I paid taxes for legitimately. There is nothing to claim for just over TWO months of a job with little to no income earned, no W-2 and no 1099. There is no record or proof whatsoever that I even worked there. Due to the nature of the situation, it is quite literally as if I never worked there. I can't speak for my former co-workers. As for my former boss, he is a criminal.
I believe what others are trying to say is that when an illegal transaction happens, both parties - giving and receiving - are equally culpable. And I think it's also been thrown out there that the mature thing to do would be to take responsibility for your part in this illegal activity.
But it sounds to me - and I'm trying to pay close attention here - like you're saying you didn't commit any illegal activity by taking the money and not claiming it on your taxes because the job lasted less than 3 months and you made less than $600. (I'm no tax expert, so I won't make any claims about the validity of this line of reasoning.) By that logic, given the line of reasoning above about both parties being culpable, it would seem that if you didn't do anything illegal in your transactions with your employer, then he didn't do anything illegal in his transactions with you.
As for the legality of his transactions with the other employees, we don't have enough info to determine whether his transactions with them were illegal (assuming you are right about the parameters of legal under-the-table transactions, which is a whole other question). Maybe none of the other employees worked more than 3 months or made more than $600 either. Hell, if that's where the line is drawn between what's legal and what's not, maybe that's the real reason he fired you - so he wouldn't cross the line into doing something illegal.
Thank you! I'm quite proud of that one! lol I was planning on quitting in the next couple of weeks anyway so I wasn't too concerned!
Man, you would have shit yourself once you realised that the email had been sent to her! hahahahaha Made a fun memory though you'll laugh about forever!
We got a brand new photocopier at work once worth $10,000 or something and on the day we got it the receptionist and I thought we'd try and photocopy a plastic overhead projector transparency -- but didn't realise that the photocopier couldn't copy that particular weight of plastic. We had melted plastic ALL OVER the internal rollers and the more we pulled the more stringy it would get. ABSOLUTELY SHIT OURSELVES!!! Sooo scared we'd fucked it! We ended up getting it out and no one knew.
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If I don't know it's wrong, it's not my fault.
Everyone else is doing it, so it's not my fault.
Hey, I'm a good guy and I did almost everything legally, so I shouldn't have to take responsibility for the one little thing I did wrong.
I barely even broke the law, so it shouldn't count.
It's everybody else's fault but my own.
It's not like I CHOSE to be paid under the table.
These comments and claims of hypocrisy are utterly ridiculous.
THERE IS NOTHING TO CLAIM IF YOU ARE PAID UNDER THE TABLE.
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TERM "UNDER THE TABLE."
There is nothing to take responsibility for. I don't work there anymore. As I've already said, there is no proof or record whatsoever that I ever worked there.
That is correct, I did not commit any illegal activity. The ONLY WAY I could have POSSIBLY committed illegal activity is if there had been a W-2 or 1099 form to fill out and I simply didn't do it - which is NOT the case.
My former boss DID and DOES commit illegal activity. If you own your own business and are paying employees to work for you, you are required to pay payroll taxes, etc. He does not pay any taxes.
As for your claim that the real reason he fired me was maybe so he wouldn't cross the line into doing something illegal is ridiculous. There are multiple people that have been there for over 10 years and have earned FAR MORE than 600 dollars. They obviously weren't fired before they earned that amount, so that is not the case.
He offered to pay people illegally to work. People chose to take his illegal money. Everyone involved is entering into an illegal exchange of money.
Lol, I just looked him up in the phone book. He's listed. PM me and I'll give you his number and you can call him up and let him know he is paying people illegally to work. Pretend you're an auditer or something.
Post what happens.
Do a bit of reading up on your state law regarding this, sit back and relax and don't do anything while it's still raw and in a couple of weeks see if you still want to pursue this and figure out how you're going to do that. This guy sounds like an absolute ass. I'd definitely report something like that but check up how it's going to affect you first.
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it's difficult to ignore them when there are so fucking many of them...
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Like everyone else said, have fun with the IRS. They will find you. This guy is trying to make a living, just like the rest of us, it's HIS buisness they way he wants to do it. It's a little immature to go rat him out cuz you fucked up.
Once, when I was 18, I got fired from a gas station for stealing money from the registar. The only thing I really stole was food and smokes. I never took cash. Well, OK I said, whatever. So, I went to turn in my uniform and get my paycheck and they told me I had to pay it back! HAHAHAHAAA....I told that little asshole to kiss my ass, I aint payin shit, and I left.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on. You will be fine.
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10/27/06
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
HAHAHA...well, they never CAUGHT me stealing the smokes and goodies. They said I was stealing cash, which I honestly wasn't!
"do gay midgets come out of the cupboard"
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10/27/06
And while you may be LEGALLY an adult , you sure haven't responded to US here in an adult manner. If the attitude shown here is any indication of who you are as a person , then had you worked for me you ass would have been canned in the first week. Bent out of shape , even if only on the day you were let go , from a job you EARNED less than 600 in TWO months is incredible to me.
Chalk this up to a learning experience. A. about what jobs to take in the future and B what/how to post here and what to expect from others on what you do post.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Jealousy? what are people jealous about?
You're taking him to small claims court for what?
you never know what people are capable of if you fuck around with their livlihood (sp?)!
Wrong. I earned less than that amount. There is nothing to claim. There is no proof or record that I ever worked there. He could be easily audited for continuously and repeatedly avoiding paying any taxes whatsoever on his illegitimate business he's been running for a long time, 10-20 years. He has screwed the government out of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Heineken Helen & Dunkman - Thank you. Finally, some people with some sense, who don't like to argue for the sake of arguing and be mean to a fellow Pearl Jam fan after he has lost his job in a shitty economy, no less. A lot of you have shown your true colors and I am sickened.
Speedy McCready - You're an idiot. If karma is any indication, you will get what you deserve.
Don't even try to tell me what to do. Don't compare yourself to me. I made an absolutely harmless joke not directed at anyone in particular. You're a thief who stole. HUGE difference.
FOR THE LAST TIME, I AM NOT GOING TO THE IRS. I HAVE SAID THIS NUMEROUS TIMES BUT MOST OF YOU DON'T SEEM TO BE ABLE TO READ. I WAS SIMPLY ANGRY IN THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT AFTER LOSING MY JOB AND WEIGHING MY OPTIONS AS TO WHAT I MIGHT DO.
I find it pretty ironic that a lot of you are saying I'm not acting like an adult when nothing could be further from the truth. Talk about putting words in my mouth and not reading/comprehending what I am saying!
Wrong. I did not CHOOSE to be paid under the table. I am obviously not in charge of how I am paid if I am working for somebody else. Once again, I have ALREADY clarified that it was not a check but in fact cash. I was not complicit because I thought for sure there would be a 1099 form given to me which never happened because my former boss is a crook. There is nothing to claim when 1. I earned less than 600 dollars and 2. There is no proof or record that I ever worked there.
I am acting like a totally normal adult. You have no call to tell me otherwise. You don't know me. I am probably more mature than you. Don't tell me what would happen if I worked for you. I am not bent out of shape. You people have repeatedly put words in my mouth incorrectly. I have stated numerous, numerous times that I am not bent out shape. I was simply upset the day the firing occured and letting off some steam. It's always bad when you lose your job but especially bad when it's in this economy. I give everyone the respect of reading what they say, you can do the same for me and stop making false and incorrect accusations and comments.
Who knows what they are jealous about? That might not be the case. I stated in my original post that I wasn't sure if that was the case, but it sure seemed like it at times. Everyone seemed to complain about me when they were doing the same things. A lot of insecurity brewing. If people were really secure and comfortable with themselves, they wouldn't feel the need to jump on others.
I am more than likely NOT talking him to small claims court. Again, as I've said, I was ranting in the heat of the moment and weighing my options. I could take him to court because it's illegal to pay under the table and his business could be shut down. Yes, this may affect me as well, having been a former employee of his, but the most affected person would be him.
No I am not worried about my old boss finding me. He doesn't even have my address. All he has is my name and cell number. I could change my cell number easily (which I won't). I actually have more information on him than he has on me. I know his name, cell number, home number, the cars he drives, who his older brother is, his brother's number and address and have a friend who was also a former employee who knows where he lives. Not saying I would do anything about that, I'm saying I know way more on him.
He is fucking with my livelihood by firing me! Realistically, the opposite of what you're saying is really the truth. I've got nothing to lose. I'm just some young kid. He is a married man with a house, daughter, cars and tons of money.
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Sure, it's a discussion board and if you start a thread it means the topic's up for discussion but seriously, some people need to have a little cop on.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And further , you being the adult you claim , would know that not NOT filling out a w-4 or any forms for that matter would be suspicious.
Please explain what small claims court would do for you , IF you were to go that route?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14