Agreed. I always just assumed the girl was a marshal. Very curious to see how the incident with Ben changes things, especially his presence in the future.
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Agreed. I always just assumed the girl was a marshal. Very curious to see how the incident with Ben changes things, especially his presence in the future.
I'm guessing he lives somehow. I mean if he dies there, that creates one giant paradox for the show. Though it does explain why he is such a heartless bastard in the future. I mean getting shot and having an abusive father couldn't be the best way to bring up young Ben.
True. I can't see the island letting him go. He is way to big of a character to just let die. What purpose would it serve for him to even come back if he was just going to be killed off?
I don't know if anyone noticed it, but the Dharma torturer was the guy who plays E.B. Farnum on the HBO show "Deadwood." He clearly dropped some liquid acid on that sugar cube to give to Sayid. A little 70's extracurricular activity for you, might explain why he is living in the woods in a teepee.
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True. I can't see the island letting him go. He is way to big of a character to just let die. What purpose would it serve for him to even come back if he was just going to be killed off?
I don't know if anyone noticed it, but the Dharma torturer was the guy who plays E.B. Farnum on the HBO show "Deadwood." He clearly dropped some liquid acid on that sugar cube to give to Sayid. A little 70's extracurricular activity for you, might explain why he is living in the woods in a teepee.
Nice catch. I knew I knew him from somewhere.
The reason I don't think Ben can die is how would he ever meet the Losties in the future if he dies now. I'm going to rewatch the episode where Sayid tortures Ben in the Swan sometime this weekend just to see if Ben has some recognition of Sayid from his childhood.
I'm guessing the bullet passed straight through, so it ain't going to kill him. Remember Ben shot Locke and he was able to eventually heal, maybe it's the same thing.
I liked the similarity in Sayid and Eko's back story last night. Where Eko had to do the killing for his little brother and for Sayid the reverse.
What I'm trying to figure out (and we probably won't know until the end of the show next year) is why these particular people were on the plane. Was it Widmore steering them i.e. Locke or was it Ben because he knew them all in the past?
It was funny hearing Sawyer refer to young Ben as a sweet kid. I wonder if this is how Ben got his crush on Juliet from seeing her in his formative years.
Maybe if he had baked Sayid a ham instead of making a chicken salad sandwich (from the chicken Sayid strangled 30 years earlier), Sayid wouldn't have capped his young Benry ass.
Ben survives... my guess is that Richard finds him and helps him.
Actually he survives the same way Locke did.
Locke survived cause Roy Desoto stole his kidney and the bullet passed where it would have been.
Sayid shot young Benry right in the chest, and the bullet passed right through cause Benry has no heart.
Ben survives... my guess is that Richard finds him and helps him.
I agree that Ben survives. Though here's an interesting idea I talked with my friend about last night. It is convenient that a surgeon arrived on the island via plane right when Ben needs surgery. Now the question is would Jack actually help Ben knowing what he knows now.
Ben survives... my guess is that Richard finds him and helps him.
I agree that Ben survives. Though here's an interesting idea I talked with my friend about last night. It is convenient that a surgeon arrived on the island via plane right when Ben needs surgery. Now the question is would Jack actually help Ben knowing what he knows now.
You ain't making sense, do you mean help Ben when he's shot or help Ben with the Tumor?
Ben survives... my guess is that Richard finds him and helps him.
I agree that Ben survives. Though here's an interesting idea I talked with my friend about last night. It is convenient that a surgeon arrived on the island via plane right when Ben needs surgery. Now the question is would Jack actually help Ben knowing what he knows now.
You ain't making sense, do you mean help Ben when he's shot or help Ben with the Tumor?
My guess is help him when shot... a parallel to how Jack arrived at the island when Ben needed surgery for his tumor. And now Jack is on the island when Ben needs surgery for a gunshot wound.
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I agree that Ben survives. Though here's an interesting idea I talked with my friend about last night. It is convenient that a surgeon arrived on the island via plane right when Ben needs surgery. Now the question is would Jack actually help Ben knowing what he knows now.
You ain't making sense, do you mean help Ben when he's shot or help Ben with the Tumor?
My guess is help him when shot... a parallel to how Jack arrived at the island when Ben needed surgery for his tumor. And now Jack is on the island when Ben needs surgery for a gunshot wound.
Yep, thanks for explaining my theory in more detail.
It seems like there is a symmetry for everything in the show.
Like Farraday said, you can't change the past. I'm beginning to think that it means you can't change the outcome of the past. You may be able to change events but the outcome will be the same.
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Like Farraday said, you can't change the past. I'm beginning to think that it means you can't change the outcome of the past. You may be able to change events but the outcome will be the same.
Very astute of you. Which would mean that the DI people die anyway, but maybe not by gassing or else somebody else does it.
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Maybe if he had baked Sayid a ham instead of making a chicken salad sandwich (from the chicken Sayid strangled 30 years earlier), Sayid wouldn't have capped his young Benry ass.
Well, Benry originally brought him a ham sandwich so you can't say he didn't try. I suppose his culinary skills weren't as developed yet. :P
Horace told Sawyer that Sayid wasn't eating. Possibly the ham sandwich didn't appeal to him but there's also the fact that Sayid is a Muslim, although not the most observant one what with being a torturer and member of the Ben Linus Army of Assassins. :twisted:
Yeah, but if Jack wasn't on the island Ben wouldn't have been shot.
Or if Ben wasn't such a jerk to Sayid he wouldn't have been shot either.
The thing is Ben needs a surgeon and luckily one's there again for him.
But how is Jack going to perform surgery on Ben without blowing his cover as a janitor? It was easier for Juliet--working on transmissions, delivering babies, not much difference.
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I'm guessing he lives somehow. I mean if he dies there, that creates one giant paradox for the show. Though it does explain why he is such a heartless bastard in the future. I mean getting shot and having an abusive father couldn't be the best way to bring up young Ben.
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I don't know if anyone noticed it, but the Dharma torturer was the guy who plays E.B. Farnum on the HBO show "Deadwood." He clearly dropped some liquid acid on that sugar cube to give to Sayid. A little 70's extracurricular activity for you, might explain why he is living in the woods in a teepee.
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Nice catch. I knew I knew him from somewhere.
The reason I don't think Ben can die is how would he ever meet the Losties in the future if he dies now. I'm going to rewatch the episode where Sayid tortures Ben in the Swan sometime this weekend just to see if Ben has some recognition of Sayid from his childhood.
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If Sayid kills Ben.
How does anything happen?
I think we might see the start of the war that Widmore was telling Locke about.
BTW I thought Sayid actually seemed remorseful about killing Ben, even if it was going to prevent a lot of other bad things from happening.
Now just can't wait till he snaps "LaFleur"'s neck.
What I'm trying to figure out (and we probably won't know until the end of the show next year) is why these particular people were on the plane. Was it Widmore steering them i.e. Locke or was it Ben because he knew them all in the past?
It was funny hearing Sawyer refer to young Ben as a sweet kid. I wonder if this is how Ben got his crush on Juliet from seeing her in his formative years.
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That's EXACTLY what I said.
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well yeah I didn't figure he was gonna really die. People don't seem to on that island.
Locke survived cause Roy Desoto stole his kidney and the bullet passed where it would have been.
Sayid shot young Benry right in the chest, and the bullet passed right through cause Benry has no heart.
I agree that Ben survives. Though here's an interesting idea I talked with my friend about last night. It is convenient that a surgeon arrived on the island via plane right when Ben needs surgery. Now the question is would Jack actually help Ben knowing what he knows now.
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My guess is help him when shot... a parallel to how Jack arrived at the island when Ben needed surgery for his tumor. And now Jack is on the island when Ben needs surgery for a gunshot wound.
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Yep, thanks for explaining my theory in more detail.
It seems like there is a symmetry for everything in the show.
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Or if Ben wasn't such a jerk to Sayid he wouldn't have been shot either.
The thing is Ben needs a surgeon and luckily one's there again for him.
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Very astute of you. Which would mean that the DI people die anyway, but maybe not by gassing or else somebody else does it.
Horace told Sawyer that Sayid wasn't eating. Possibly the ham sandwich didn't appeal to him but there's also the fact that Sayid is a Muslim, although not the most observant one what with being a torturer and member of the Ben Linus Army of Assassins. :twisted: