I stopped watching at halftime and stopped following after the 4th and goal from the 1, but saw an article about how the odds are better for winning the game if you go for 2 there.
i saw that but this is a team that has trouble getting a td from that area.
Fair...like I said, I went to sleep after the 4th and goal from the 1, so yeah, I'm with you.
How about Eli trying two QB sneaks and killing the clock?
He was basically moon walking trying to feebily get in. He had to know that was not in his skill set.
that was a call from the sidelines
it wouldn't have been the worst call from the sidelines: going for '2' to be down by 6 when going for the extra point puts you down by 7? What kind of moron makes that call?
Doug Pederson got praised for doing the same thing a few weeks ago against the Vikings. Praise came because they converted successfully....its really stupid coaching, and the league is rife with stupid coaching this season.
How about Eli trying two QB sneaks and killing the clock?
He was basically moon walking trying to feebily get in. He had to know that was not in his skill set.
that was a call from the sidelines
it wouldn't have been the worst call from the sidelines: going for '2' to be down by 6 when going for the extra point puts you down by 7? What kind of moron makes that call?
Doug Pederson got praised for doing the same thing a few weeks ago against the Vikings. Praise came because they converted successfully....its really stupid coaching, and the league is rife with stupid coaching this season.
Is it stupid if based on past data you are more likely to win the game by going for 2? I get the math makes it sound bad, but if the data says you are more likely to win the game, how can it be a bad decision?
I'd need to see the data that says going for two instead of 1 (when you've just scored a touchdown to make it 20-12) is a solid move.
The logic is obviously that you are expecting/hoping for some of these things to happen: 1. Your team is going to score another TD (which it had to do). 2. If you fail on the 'current' 2 point conversion... you can try going for 2 again (to tie) on your subsequent TD conversion. 3. If you can convert the 2 point conversion... two field goals gets you into OT (in the event your next drive stalls).
I'd need to see the data that says going for two instead of 1 (when you've just scored a touchdown to make it 20-12) is a solid move.
The logic is obviously that you are expecting/hoping for some of these things to happen: 1. Your team is going to score another TD (which it had to do). 2. If you fail on the 'current' 2 point conversion... you can try going for 2 again (to tie) on your subsequent TD conversion. 3. If you can convert the 2 point conversion... two field goals gets you into OT (in the event your next drive stalls).
The data doesn’t take into account all of the intangibles in play at the moment, injuries, player personnel on both sides of the ball, wind direction and speed, field conditions, quality of play of the teams to that point in the game. That’s where coaching comes in with the help of the data. I remember Belichick giving up the safety and taking his chances with getting the ball back with enough time to score a TD. I thought he was absolutely out of his mind. They’re starting to merge all that data. Jobs in crunching numbers.
I'd need to see the data that says going for two instead of 1 (when you've just scored a touchdown to make it 20-12) is a solid move.
The logic is obviously that you are expecting/hoping for some of these things to happen: 1. Your team is going to score another TD (which it had to do). 2. If you fail on the 'current' 2 point conversion... you can try going for 2 again (to tie) on your subsequent TD conversion. 3. If you can convert the 2 point conversion... two field goals gets you into OT (in the event your next drive stalls).
So yeah, basically your chances are as follows and it seems to come down to the fact that OT is still a bit of a crap shoot, right? Seems to be all about avoiding OT. Idk.
1. Score 2 TDs, convert the first, kick the 2nd and win 2. Score 2 TDs, kick both points + win in OT 3. Score 2 TDs, don't convert 2 on the first, convert the 2nd + go to OT and win 4. Score TD, convert 2, kick two field goals + win in OT.
These numbers are based on years of games. But for a 16 game schedule I don't think it works like in baseball where you have 162 to work with. And like what was stated with bad o line and tight coverage. I don't know how the numbers are that much better?
All I am saying is that it may not be as an egregious decision as it seemed. I don't disagree with what you're saying. That said. you have any confident in that team winning in OT either?
All I am saying is that it may not be as an egregious decision as it seemed. I don't disagree with what you're saying. That said. you have any confident in that team winning in OT either?
like I said earlier the Falcons most likely win on 80 yard pass td with .01 left. That's how much bad luck we had this season
I stopped watching at halftime and stopped following after the 4th and goal from the 1, but saw an article about how the odds are better for winning the game if you go for 2 there.
i saw that but this is a team that has trouble getting a td from that area.
I'd need to see the data that says going for two instead of 1 (when you've just scored a touchdown to make it 20-12) is a solid move.
The logic is obviously that you are expecting/hoping for some of these things to happen: 1. Your team is going to score another TD (which it had to do). 2. If you fail on the 'current' 2 point conversion... you can try going for 2 again (to tie) on your subsequent TD conversion. 3. If you can convert the 2 point conversion... two field goals gets you into OT (in the event your next drive stalls).
So yeah, basically your chances are as follows and it seems to come down to the fact that OT is still a bit of a crap shoot, right? Seems to be all about avoiding OT. Idk.
1. Score 2 TDs, convert the first, kick the 2nd and win 2. Score 2 TDs, kick both points + win in OT 3. Score 2 TDs, don't convert 2 on the first, convert the 2nd + go to OT and win 4. Score TD, convert 2, kick two field goals + win in OT.
Score 2 TD's fail on both 2 point conversions, lose in regulation.
The Giants haven't been a good team in years. Even when they won the Super Bowls they were lucky and got hot. They seem to win SB's when they are a wildcard.
When is the team going to realize that Manning is not the future? I figured it was last year but nope...
I feel like this season could have turned around. Like I said we were losing close games. Why couldn't they trade for an offensive linemen?
They’re not one piece away. These are good moves man
I agree. I think they should keep going too. Build around Barkley.
Y'all are nuts. They need to rebuild.
So has anyone looked at it like this:
New coach wanted to give Eli the benefit of the doubt and use him to try and win. He isn't winning and can't so it's time to move on and rebuild hence the sell off.
The Giants have a good RB and WR locked up for a few years so now the good drafting will have to come into play because this team isn't trading to fix all the holes that they have.
The Giants haven't been a good team in years. Even when they won the Super Bowls they were lucky and got hot. They seem to win SB's when they are a wildcard.
When is the team going to realize that Manning is not the future? I figured it was last year but nope...
Maybe every team that has made it into the Superbowl as a wildcard should give back their Super Bowl rings? You and I part company on this opinion. There were years that Eli held the team together when they were wracked with injuries. Does he have problems the last few years, yeah, but the Giants 'problem' cannot be held out as Eli, Eli, Eli. And when we won Superbowls, we won through skill and luck - the same as any other team. I can't believe that we're going to go back and say that they sucked when they won Superbowls. No. I do not agree.
And Manning signed a multi year contract so that he could finish out his career as a Giant. But let's bench him before that and the team will be so much better? Sounds like a MacAdoo move.
And i do not know why I am in your quote with you.
I for one couldn’t give half a fuck how good the giants were over a 5 month period the 2 times they beat the patriots. 2 super bowl wins is 2 super bowl wins, so eat a fat one. Two of the better nights of my life at that
I for one couldn’t give half a fuck how good the giants were over a 5 month period the 2 times they beat the patriots. 2 super bowl wins is 2 super bowl wins, so eat a fat one. Two of the better nights of my life at that
I feel like this season could have turned around. Like I said we were losing close games. Why couldn't they trade for an offensive linemen?
They’re not one piece away. These are good moves man
I agree. I think they should keep going too. Build around Barkley.
Y'all are nuts. They need to rebuild.
So has anyone looked at it like this:
New coach wanted to give Eli the benefit of the doubt and use him to try and win. He isn't winning and can't so it's time to move on and rebuild hence the sell off.
The Giants have a good RB and WR locked up for a few years so now the good drafting will have to come into play because this team isn't trading to fix all the holes that they have.
I was agreeing with Cliffy and the trades. They do need to rebuild (around Barkley). Keep Odell.
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Praise came because they converted successfully....its really stupid coaching, and the league is rife with stupid coaching this season.
The logic is obviously that you are expecting/hoping for some of these things to happen:
1. Your team is going to score another TD (which it had to do).
2. If you fail on the 'current' 2 point conversion... you can try going for 2 again (to tie) on your subsequent TD conversion.
3. If you can convert the 2 point conversion... two field goals gets you into OT (in the event your next drive stalls).
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1. Score 2 TDs, convert the first, kick the 2nd and win
2. Score 2 TDs, kick both points + win in OT
3. Score 2 TDs, don't convert 2 on the first, convert the 2nd + go to OT and win
4. Score TD, convert 2, kick two field goals + win in OT.
You are welcome - they even helped this Giant's fan in the last seconds last night. And that would be ma'am.
When is the team going to realize that Manning is not the future? I figured it was last year but nope...
So has anyone looked at it like this:
New coach wanted to give Eli the benefit of the doubt and use him to try and win. He isn't winning and can't so it's time to move on and rebuild hence the sell off.
The Giants have a good RB and WR locked up for a few years so now the good drafting will have to come into play because this team isn't trading to fix all the holes that they have.
-Bill Parcels
He can’t wear 10 obviously
I was agreeing with Cliffy and the trades. They do need to rebuild (around Barkley). Keep Odell.