***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    And 6yrs isn't too many at all for Hamels.

    It is (for any pitcher, or player for that matter), but it's better than watching him pitch for the Yankees or Dodgers. The open market will deliver him at least a 6 year deal, so that's what we're looking at.

    Why's everybody trading Lee? Are we writing off 2013 already, even though we're trying to extend Hamels? Doesn't make sense to me.

    2013 Phillies = Wheeze Kids II
    We need a bat,and Lee's money coming off opens up alot.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We need a bat,and Lee's money coming off opens up alot.

    Josh Hamilton? Too many injuries methinks. I think with the barren farm system and so many contracts they need to just suck it up and keep what they have and see how it goes. Hopefully everything doesn't go wrong like this year.
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We need a bat,and Lee's money coming off opens up alot.

    Josh Hamilton? Too many injuries methinks. I think with the barren farm system and so many contracts they need to just suck it up and keep what they have and see how it goes. Hopefully everything doesn't go wrong like this year.
    I keep hearing Michael Bourn,which i like alot. And i'm hoping Brown if he ever gets a chance to stay health and play. We need a 3rd basemen with some pop badly as well.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We need a bat,and Lee's money coming off opens up alot.

    Josh Hamilton? Too many injuries methinks. I think with the barren farm system and so many contracts they need to just suck it up and keep what they have and see how it goes. Hopefully everything doesn't go wrong like this year.
    I keep hearing Michael Bourn,which i like alot. And i'm hoping Brown if he ever gets a chance to stay health and play. We need a 3rd basemen with some pop badly as well.

    Yeah 3B is a disaster. Can't have a hole in the lineup at that position.
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Maybe Lee can get us that AA 3rd basemen OLT from Texas. Dude has serious pop and he's blocked by Beltre.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Jayson Stark just said all Hamels trade talks are on hold!!!!! Hamels will be signed within a week imo :!:

    hamels will sign and lee gets traded to texas, probably in the same day. write it down

    and 6 years is too many years for a pitcher

    rumor that texas is targeting lee if they can't land hamels or greinke. makes a lot of sense for both teams, assuming dipshit can get a solid return for lee this time around.

    your second point is dumb. not surprising
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    We need a bat,and Lee's money coming off opens up alot.

    Josh Hamilton? Too many injuries methinks. I think with the barren farm system and so many contracts they need to just suck it up and keep what they have and see how it goes. Hopefully everything doesn't go wrong like this year.

    I wouldn't touch hamilton. Gonna have to overpay to land him, he's too injury prone, and he's on the wrong side of 30. Exactly the type of player amaro targets
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    edited July 2012
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Maybe Lee can get us that AA 3rd basemen OLT from Texas. Dude has serious pop and he's blocked by Beltre.

    don't think texas is trading him. he's moving to 1B next year when napoli leaves

    apparently the nats are going after bourn if he reaches free agency. they are desperate for a CF (just sent ankiel down this week) and they have a ton of cash (their owner is worth something like 4 times what mark cuban is worth). he would be a perfect fit here but there is going to be a lot of competition to sign him.

    EDIT: From Jayson Stark's column today...

    Other teams also report the Nationals haven't been focused on trying to deal for a center fielder before the deadline. They seem satisfied that they can live with an outfield of Bryce Harper, Michael Morse and Jayson Werth down the stretch, then plow into a free-agent market with lots of attractive center field options this winter. There has been speculation for months that the Nationals are gearing up for a major push to sign Michael Bourn.



    wouldn't surprise me if phils pick up polanco's option for next year. there is nothing on the FA market at 3B. more great amaro planning
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    the handling of this hamels situation continues to piss me off. how dumb is it that the phils are making their determination on whether to deal him based on what now amounts to a weeklong sample (approx 4% of the season) of game outcomes? As if a week of good or bad play means anything at all. They are losing leverage (in both a trade and contract negotiations) by the day.

    Their stupidity is extremely frustrating. How the fuck did amaro get into and graduate from Stanford?????
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    The Fixer wrote:
    How the fuck did amaro get into and graduate from Stanford?????

    Not everyone can make a good GM - you don't know until you try to do it.

    Pretty sure I would suck at it. :lol:
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    How the fuck did amaro get into and graduate from Stanford?????

    Not everyone can make a good GM - you don't know until you try to do it.

    Pretty sure I would suck at it. :lol:

    You'd still be better than amaro. You certainly couldn't be any worse

    They need to trade pence

    Such a disaster
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    The Fixer wrote:
    You'd still be better than amaro. You certainly couldn't be any worse

    Well I sure wouldn't have handed out the Papelbon contract. :lol:
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    apparently the MLB players union (arguably the strongest union in the country) is putting a ton of pressure on hamels to test free agency. They believe that he can top the deals that santana and sabathia got on the open market.

    I really hope I'm wrong but I think he is as good as gone.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    finally some good news. figures that the '13 draft is supposed to be the worst talent crop in a decade

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2012
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    The Fixer wrote:
    finally some good news. figures that the '13 draft is supposed to be the worst talent crop in a decade

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2012

    These kind of generalized statements are stupid. If your scouting is good you ought to be able to find a really good prospect with a Top 10 draft choice.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    finally some good news. figures that the '13 draft is supposed to be the worst talent crop in a decade

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings2012

    These kind of generalized statements are stupid. If your scouting is good you ought to be able to find a really good prospect with a Top 10 draft choice.

    Of course. But it's kinda like when the flyers ended up getting screwed out of the first overall pick when patrick kane was the consensus #1 prospect. We know how that ended up. Some drafts are better than others. For example 2005 is considered one of the best draft classes of all time (Justin Upton, Alex Gordon, Braun, Tulo, McCutchen, ellsubury, bruce, rasumus, etc)...would be nice to have a top 10 pick in a year with a loaded class.

    Pretty much blows to be discussing the draft in July. What year is this, 1996?
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Hypothetical question someone asked me today...

    If you could only choose one of weber/hamels to play in philly for the next decade who would you choose?

    Baseball and the Phils are my favorite. Always have been, always will be. That said I don't think amaro is capable of winning a WS. The flyers young core reminds me of the phils in '06-'07. Difficult choice...and I'm on the record as saying I really want the phils to sign hamels, but in this scenario I chose Weber.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,521
    Love the Flyers and all, but hockey will always be 4th on my list of sports. Nothing in hockey will ever be monumental enough for me to go, "OH MY GOD." Love the Flyers, but I'll take a parade in three other sports over it any day of the week.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    The Fixer wrote:
    Hypothetical question someone asked me today...

    If you could only choose one of weber/hamels to play in philly for the next decade who would you choose?

    Baseball and the Phils are my favorite. Always have been, always will be. That said I don't think amaro is capable of winning a WS. The flyers young core reminds me of the phils in '06-'07. Difficult choice...and I'm on the record as saying I really want the phils to sign hamels, but in this scenario I chose Weber.

    I've gotten my Phillies parade. I would take a Flyers Stanley Cup parade over any other sport at this point, with the far-fetched exception of a Temple Owls National Championship parade.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Hypothetical question someone asked me today...

    If you could only choose one of weber/hamels to play in philly for the next decade who would you choose?

    Baseball and the Phils are my favorite. Always have been, always will be. That said I don't think amaro is capable of winning a WS. The flyers young core reminds me of the phils in '06-'07. Difficult choice...and I'm on the record as saying I really want the phils to sign hamels, but in this scenario I chose Weber.

    I've gotten my Phillies parade. I would take a Flyers Stanley Cup parade over any other sport at this point, with the far-fetched exception of a Temple Owls National Championship parade.

    Dude, I completely agree. Feel like the flyers have given us the most parade teases at this point in our lifetimes, so their parade would also be the most gratifying in a 'they finally did it' sorta way.
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