***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Jearlpam0925

Yeah, that'd be decent. I think Ethier is hitting arbitration soon or has? Figure to be around 13-15 mil. I guess that wouldn't be worth it. Not a whole lot of control. Looks to be a FA in '13 so you'd be spending probably close to what Hamels would be, sans about 4-6 per. I didn't see much of him this year, but I like the way he swings the bat.

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

This is on my mind. I think it will suck in the short-term but the only decent move for the Phils to get exponentially better offensively is to trade Hamels. As much as I'd hate it, I think it's necessary. How do you lock up another long-term arm and burden your salary constraints with a number as high as Hamels's will be? I don't think you can do that and think you're going to get younger and more talented on the offensive side of the ball.

Someone take the bait. I'm bored.

makes sense..he's really just a jonathan sanchez type pitcher anyway

Sanchez will definitely never cost 20 mil per.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

This is on my mind. I think it will suck in the short-term but the only decent move for the Phils to get exponentially better offensively is to trade Hamels. As much as I'd hate it, I think it's necessary. How do you lock up another long-term arm and burden your salary constraints with a number as high as Hamels's will be? I don't think you can do that and think you're going to get younger and more talented on the offensive side of the ball.

Someone take the bait. I'm bored.

makes sense..he's really just a jonathan sanchez type pitcher anyway

Sanchez will definitely never cost 20 mil per.

And also not have an ERA under 3.

polaris_x

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I was looking around at teams at who would need pitching to get them to contention or put them over the top. This is what I got -

Yanks - would they do Montero AND Benuelos?
Jays - Lawrie and a pitcher like Morrow?
Arizona - Upton
LA - Ethier and a pitcher to go into the rotation?
Reds - Alonso and somone again to go into the rotation like Bailey

no way AA would make that deal ... we do need another starter ... but trading for one and giving up one doesn't solve that ... and we like lawrie ... if he even comes close to replicating what he did when we brought him up last year ... it'll be awesome ... although injuries are something i see with brett throughout his career ...

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Yeah, that'd be decent. I think Ethier is hitting arbitration soon or has? Figure to be around 13-15 mil. I guess that wouldn't be worth it. Not a whole lot of control. Looks to be a FA in '13 so you'd be spending probably close to what Hamels would be, sans about 4-6 per. I didn't see much of him this year, but I like the way he swings the bat.

Made $9.5 last year. Arbitration this year I think, so yeah. I don't see him play enough, but one of the defensive metrics has him as the worst outfielder in the big leagues, I think. Better offensive numbers than I thought though.

Jearlpam0925

polaris_x wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I was looking around at teams at who would need pitching to get them to contention or put them over the top. This is what I got -

Yanks - would they do Montero AND Benuelos?
Jays - Lawrie and a pitcher like Morrow?
Arizona - Upton
LA - Ethier and a pitcher to go into the rotation?
Reds - Alonso and somone again to go into the rotation like Bailey

no way AA would make that deal ... we do need another starter ... but trading for one and giving up one doesn't solve that ... and we like lawrie ... if he even comes close to replicating what he did when we brought him up last year ... it'll be awesome ... although injuries are something i see with brett throughout his career ...

Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Yeah, that'd be decent. I think Ethier is hitting arbitration soon or has? Figure to be around 13-15 mil. I guess that wouldn't be worth it. Not a whole lot of control. Looks to be a FA in '13 so you'd be spending probably close to what Hamels would be, sans about 4-6 per. I didn't see much of him this year, but I like the way he swings the bat.

Made $9.5 last year. Arbitration this year I think, so yeah. I don't see him play enough, but one of the defensive metrics has him as the worst outfielder in the big leagues, I think. Better offensive numbers than I thought though.

Haha. That shows you how much gold gloves are worth.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Yeah, that'd be decent. I think Ethier is hitting arbitration soon or has? Figure to be around 13-15 mil. I guess that wouldn't be worth it. Not a whole lot of control. Looks to be a FA in '13 so you'd be spending probably close to what Hamels would be, sans about 4-6 per. I didn't see much of him this year, but I like the way he swings the bat.

Made $9.5 last year. Arbitration this year I think, so yeah. I don't see him play enough, but one of the defensive metrics has him as the worst outfielder in the big leagues, I think. Better offensive numbers than I thought though.

Haha. That shows you how much gold gloves are worth.

Ha, yeah. Fangraphs actually has him a whole lot better last year then the previous years, but he had a huge jump this year. From -16 runs in 2010 to +5 runs in 2011.

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Sanchez will definitely never cost 20 mil per.

And also not have an ERA under 3.

call me crazy (or stupid) but I could see JS under 3.00.....especially in no pressure KC.

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Sanchez will definitely never cost 20 mil per.

And also not have an ERA under 3.

call me crazy (or stupid) but I could see JS under 3.00.....especially in no pressure KC.

Fine. It's official - you're crazy. Not with the way he walks people. Plus, going to the AL? Sha. I say he doesn't do any better than 4.

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Sanchez will definitely never cost 20 mil per.

And also not have an ERA under 3.

call me crazy (or stupid) but I could see JS under 3.00.....especially in no pressure KC.

I can't see it. Between his control and the DH

Wobbie

I withdraw my argument.

still, I'm down with your idea of trading the pretty boy to improve your team. send him to LA for ethier....he would fit right in and be instantly hateable in the blue and white. :x

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

I withdraw my argument.

still, I'm down with your idea of trading the pretty boy to improve your team. send him to LA for ethier....he would fit right in and be instantly hateable in the blue and white. :x

Yo, who's this googly eyed chick at Giants game who bellows like a man that was getting all this pub on TV? Freaked. Me. Out. And it's god awful. But then I learned she's mostly blind. And then I felt awful.

Wobbie

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

I withdraw my argument.

still, I'm down with your idea of trading the pretty boy to improve your team. send him to LA for ethier....he would fit right in and be instantly hateable in the blue and white. :x

Yo, who's this googly eyed chick at Giants game who bellows like a man that was getting all this pub on TV? Freaked. Me. Out. And it's god awful. But then I learned she's mostly blind. And then I felt awful.

I have no idea about this :?

but I'm glad it made you feel awful

tvismyfriend

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I was looking around at teams at who would need pitching to get them to contention or put them over the top. This is what I got -

Yanks - would they do Montero AND Benuelos?
Jays - Lawrie and a pitcher like Morrow?
Arizona - Upton
LA - Ethier and a pitcher to go into the rotation?
Reds - Alonso and somone again to go into the rotation like Bailey

no way AA would make that deal ... we do need another starter ... but trading for one and giving up one doesn't solve that ... and we like lawrie ... if he even comes close to replicating what he did when we brought him up last year ... it'll be awesome ... although injuries are something i see with brett throughout his career ...

Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.

Lawrie might be the only untouchable player on the team. They're not going to give up on a Canadian with that much potential.

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

I withdraw my argument.

still, I'm down with your idea of trading the pretty boy to improve your team. send him to LA for ethier....he would fit right in and be instantly hateable in the blue and white. :x

Yo, who's this googly eyed chick at Giants game who bellows like a man that was getting all this pub on TV? Freaked. Me. Out. And it's god awful. But then I learned she's mostly blind. And then I felt awful.

I have no idea about this :?

but I'm glad it made you feel awful

That's right - forgot you didn't live in SF. I think it was on HBO Sports or something, but all I could think was if this is the kind of heckling that goes on in other ballparks, then we are definitely savages here.

Johnny Abruzzo

I don't think they can trade Hamels. The rest of the staff is going to get old in a couple years and he is just in the start of his prime, having really figured everything out the past 2 years. And he's proven the past 2 years he's a primetime postseason pitcher. Also, the rest of the division is trying to catch up, and nothing gets you to the playoffs better than an ace.

I know it was a real shitty loss to StL but everyone needs to take a deep breath. Baseball playoffs are and always have been a crapshoot.


So, on another note, I'm going to Barcade for a birthday party tomorrow. Enough of this baseball talk.

Jearlpam0925

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I don't think they can trade Hamels. The rest of the staff is going to get old in a couple years and he is just in the start of his prime, having really figured everything out the past 2 years. And he's proven the past 2 years he's a primetime postseason pitcher. Also, the rest of the division is trying to catch up, and nothing gets you to the playoffs better than an ace.

I know it was a real shitty loss to StL but everyone needs to take a deep breath. Baseball playoffs are and always have been a crapshoot.


So, on another note, I'm going to Barcade for a birthday party tomorrow. Enough of this baseball talk.

Nice! I've been wanting to go to this place. I gotta check this out. I honestly didn't know it opened yet.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I don't think they can trade Hamels. The rest of the staff is going to get old in a couple years and he is just in the start of his prime, having really figured everything out the past 2 years. And he's proven the past 2 years he's a primetime postseason pitcher. Also, the rest of the division is trying to catch up, and nothing gets you to the playoffs better than an ace.

I know it was a real shitty loss to StL but everyone needs to take a deep breath. Baseball playoffs are and always have been a crapshoot.


So, on another note, I'm going to Barcade for a birthday party tomorrow. Enough of this baseball talk.

Nice! I've been wanting to go to this place. I gotta check this out. I honestly didn't know it opened yet.

What is it? Edit: Nevermind, I know this. Went to the one in Brooklyn a while back. Hipster central.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I don't think they can trade Hamels. The rest of the staff is going to get old in a couple years and he is just in the start of his prime, having really figured everything out the past 2 years. And he's proven the past 2 years he's a primetime postseason pitcher. Also, the rest of the division is trying to catch up, and nothing gets you to the playoffs better than an ace.

I know it was a real shitty loss to StL but everyone needs to take a deep breath. Baseball playoffs are and always have been a crapshoot.


So, on another note, I'm going to Barcade for a birthday party tomorrow. Enough of this baseball talk.

Nice! I've been wanting to go to this place. I gotta check this out. I honestly didn't know it opened yet.

What is it?

A bar with an arcade - all old school ones. http://barcadephiladelphia.com/