***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

A bar with an arcade - all old school ones. http://barcadephiladelphia.com/

Yeah, looked it up right after I posted that and realized I knew about that and had been tothe one in Brooklyn a long time ago. Should be an interesting crowd.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

A bar with an arcade - all old school ones. http://barcadephiladelphia.com/

Yeah, looked it up right after I posted that and realized I knew about that and had been tothe one in Brooklyn a long time ago. Should be an interesting crowd.

Haha. It sucks that all the hipster doofuses like what I like.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

A bar with an arcade - all old school ones. http://barcadephiladelphia.com/

Yeah, looked it up right after I posted that and realized I knew about that and had been tothe one in Brooklyn a long time ago. Should be an interesting crowd.

Haha. It sucks that all the hipster doofuses like what I like.

haha, yeah man. I went to the one in Brooklyn before the hispter shit got to where it is now. I would have smoke coming out of my ears if I went back to that one now. I would definitely like to check out the one here though. Would imagine it would be a good time.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

A bar with an arcade - all old school ones. http://barcadephiladelphia.com/

Yeah, looked it up right after I posted that and realized I knew about that and had been tothe one in Brooklyn a long time ago. Should be an interesting crowd.

Haha. It sucks that all the hipster doofuses like what I like.

Do they have TV's? We're hoping to watch the dual Temple games in the American Southwest. The b-boy and I go to all the hoops games together.

polaris_x

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.

honestly ... if it was me - i wouldn't trade hamels for lawrie straight up right now ... every good player starts off unproven ... having a controllable asset at a good salary with tons of upside is something i wouldn't give up ... plus, kid has great passion for the game and he obviously is currently happy being part of the organization ...

Jearlpam0925

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Yeah, looked it up right after I posted that and realized I knew about that and had been tothe one in Brooklyn a long time ago. Should be an interesting crowd.

Haha. It sucks that all the hipster doofuses like what I like.

Do they have TV's? We're hoping to watch the dual Temple games in the American Southwest. The b-boy and I go to all the hoops games together.

No idea, but I would assume so.

Cliffy6745

The one picture on their website doesn't look like they have TV's. I fucking hate bars without TV's. I'm looking at you National Mechanics. What a waste of an awesome bloody mary bar if I cant watch football.

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Maybe not Morrow, but a back-end rotation guy or pitching prospect could make that deal happen. Hamels makes you a better team in the next 5 years than Lawrie does. He's proven and young. Lawrie is young but not proven.

honestly ... if it was me - i wouldn't trade hamels for lawrie straight up right now ... every good player starts off unproven ... having a controllable asset at a good salary with tons of upside is something i wouldn't give up ... plus, kid has great passion for the game and he obviously is currently happy being part of the organization ...

I don't know dude. Definitely great to have a controllable but even better to have a legit ace. Only problem for you guys is that I can't see you extending him so it's one and done. If the Yanks got him, they would extend him, no doubt.

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The one picture on their website doesn't look like they have TV's. I fucking hate bars without TV's. I'm looking at you National Mechanics. What a waste of an awesome bloody mary bar if I cant watch football.

The epitome of douche hipster doofus bar.

Cliffy6745

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The one picture on their website doesn't look like they have TV's. I fucking hate bars without TV's. I'm looking at you National Mechanics. What a waste of an awesome bloody mary bar if I cant watch football.

The epitome of douche hipster doofus bar.

Yeah, man. Gotta catch it at the right time.

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I don't know dude. Definitely great to have a controllable but even better to have a legit ace. Only problem for you guys is that I can't see you extending him so it's one and done. If the Yanks got him, they would extend him, no doubt.

i guess it would depend on whether you would trade a tom glavine in his prime for a young david wright ... and similar to what i've been posting ... when these guys it UFA status - it's hard to get the returns on the money ... i like what the rays are doing ... as soon as a guy gets to that stage - they let them go ... the new system will hurt teams like the rays and jays so, maybe that'll change ... dunno

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The one picture on their website doesn't look like they have TV's. I fucking hate bars without TV's. I'm looking at you National Mechanics. What a waste of an awesome bloody mary bar if I cant watch football.

I asked because I thought you might have known from being at the one in Brooklyn (i think that's what you said).

The beer selection sure does look spectacular.

Guess I'll have to DVR one or both of these games.

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I don't know dude. Definitely great to have a controllable but even better to have a legit ace. Only problem for you guys is that I can't see you extending him so it's one and done. If the Yanks got him, they would extend him, no doubt.

i guess it would depend on whether you would trade a tom glavine in his prime for a young david wright ... and similar to what i've been posting ... when these guys it UFA status - it's hard to get the returns on the money ... i like what the rays are doing ... as soon as a guy gets to that stage - they let them go ... the new system will hurt teams like the rays and jays so, maybe that'll change ... dunno

I hear you, and definitely a good point about the Rays, but they haven't won anything. The fact that they got Longoria and Moore to those contracts is incredible. Why do you say the new system will hurt those teams? I think it hurts big markets more. Huge luxury tax penalities, tougher to sign international free agents, less money for drafts means players won't fall in the draft to big markets.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The one picture on their website doesn't look like they have TV's. I fucking hate bars without TV's. I'm looking at you National Mechanics. What a waste of an awesome bloody mary bar if I cant watch football.

I asked because I thought you might have known from being at the one in Brooklyn (i think that's what you said).

The beer selection sure does look spectacular.

Guess I'll have to DVR one or both of these games.

Yeah, I have been to that one, was a few years ago though and I don't remember at all. Beer list does look great.

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I hear you, and definitely a good point about the Rays, but they haven't won anything. The fact that they got Longoria and Moore to those contracts is incredible. Why do you say the new system will hurt those teams? I think it hurts big markets more. Huge luxury tax penalities, tougher to sign international free agents, less money for drafts means players won't fall in the draft to big markets.

well ... they've been in the post season and as we all know ... that's all you can hope for ... i do think the shitty fans they got there plays a factor in their non-playoff success ...

i think it will hurt the small teams because of the compensatory draft picks aren't what they used to be ... and it's building that talent pool in the draft that allows the small market teams to compete ...

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I hear you, and definitely a good point about the Rays, but they haven't won anything. The fact that they got Longoria and Moore to those contracts is incredible. Why do you say the new system will hurt those teams? I think it hurts big markets more. Huge luxury tax penalities, tougher to sign international free agents, less money for drafts means players won't fall in the draft to big markets.

well ... they've been in the post season and as we all know ... that's all you can hope for ... i do think the shitty fans they got there plays a factor in their non-playoff success ...

i think it will hurt the small teams because of the compensatory draft picks aren't what they used to be ... and it's building that talent pool in the draft that allows the small market teams to compete ...

Very true, and the playoffs are a crapshoot. The Rays are obviously a very impressive organization over the past 5 years. I never thought I would say those words.

I hear you but look at Darvish, it looks like the Jays are already reaping the benefits of the new CBA. The Yankees are trying to get down to $189 million for 2014 and that could be a major reason they didn't go harder after Darvish. The compensatory picks are obviously a pretty big deal but I think there is going to be more talent getting drafted at the top of the draft now.

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Very true, and the playoffs are a crapshoot. The Rays are obviously a very impressive organization over the past 5 years. I never thought I would say those words.

I hear you but look at Darvish, it looks like the Jays are already reaping the benefits of the new CBA. The Yankees are trying to get down to $189 million for 2014 and that could be a major reason they didn't go harder after Darvish. The compensatory picks are obviously a pretty big deal but I think there is going to be more talent getting drafted at the top of the draft now.

i don't think the jays are reaping the benefits ... the posting fee doesn't affect salary cap so really ... it's about whether the yankees want to pay a pitcher $15 million a year that is unproven ... and it's that once bitten twice shy thing with the yanks ... and i'm not necessarily saying the new CBA is bad for small market teams ... just that based on current philosophy of rays and jays ... it affected them more negatively than the big market teams is all ... i'm sure the smart teams will work with what's given ...

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Very true, and the playoffs are a crapshoot. The Rays are obviously a very impressive organization over the past 5 years. I never thought I would say those words.

I hear you but look at Darvish, it looks like the Jays are already reaping the benefits of the new CBA. The Yankees are trying to get down to $189 million for 2014 and that could be a major reason they didn't go harder after Darvish. The compensatory picks are obviously a pretty big deal but I think there is going to be more talent getting drafted at the top of the draft now.

i don't think the jays are reaping the benefits ... the posting fee doesn't affect salary cap so really ... it's about whether the yankees want to pay a pitcher $15 million a year that is unproven ... and it's that once bitten twice shy thing with the yanks ... and i'm not necessarily saying the new CBA is bad for small market teams ... just that based on current philosophy of rays and jays ... it affected them more negatively than the big market teams is all ... i'm sure the smart teams will work with what's given ...

I don't know man, I think it does have to do with it even though the posting won't go towards it. They are going to have a tough go of it to get under the $189 as it as and it looks like they don't think Darvish is worth the money and that space for 2014, especially if Cain and Hamels don't sign extensions. So it's a combination, I think, in a previous world the Yankees wouldn't have to think twice about taking such a risk, now they do. I hear you what you are saying from a draft perspective, I just think the luxury tax hits are so big it's going to even out the playing field a bit at least for a little while.

Cliffy6745

Meant to mention this. Went to Perch Pub yesterday at Broad and Locust. Half priced beers for happy hour and a pretty good beer list. Recommended.

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I don't know man, I think it does have to do with it even though the posting won't go towards it. They are going to have a tough go of it to get under the $189 as it as and it looks like they don't think Darvish is worth the money and that space for 2014, especially if Cain and Hamels don't sign extensions. So it's a combination, I think, in a previous world the Yankees wouldn't have to think twice about taking such a risk, now they do. I hear you what you are saying from a draft perspective, I just think the luxury tax hits are so big it's going to even out the playing field a bit at least for a little while.

well ... the absurdity is that the cap is like $180 million ... how many friggin' teams even came close to that number? ... like 5?

sure ... the yanks are gonna think twice about spending now but in the end - they will still be most likely able to overspend ...

edit: just want to reiterate that it's great for them and fans ... wish the leafs did that when they could ...