***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Johnny Abruzzo

Mayberry seemed to hit well off the bench, and I'd like to see him platoon with Ibanez. But yeah, he's really not gonna play all that much up here, so I guess it doesn't hurt to keep him sharp in AAA. He plays a nice OF, but I think he's only hitting around .230 or so. (somebody look it up ) The team isn't really gonna lose games because John Mayberry Jr. is in AAA for a while.

PureandEasy

hey I didn't make the rules, I just know the thinking behind it

Just like I never understand the idea of using a pitcher as a set up guy and then maybe at some point in the season you need him a closer, how they say you can't do that, it fucks up their mind

Why? The purpose is the same, get the guy at the plate out. Yeah the situation is different, but the desired result is the still the same.

I never understood that, but that's another one of those things like wanting someone to play everyday instead of sitting the bench

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Unless they raised ticket prices this seasons, there's a good chance the Phillies are making less money this year than they did last year. I don't know a lot about their financial situation, but you would have to assume stuff like their tv contracts, radio contracts, and advertisements are multi year deals. So any money made off of those would be the same as last year.

1- They did raise ticket prices this year; they do every year.
2- They produce their own TV, so they would reap any increase in ad revenue. I don't know if it's multi-year deals, but with the hype going in they clearly were in a position to charge more for all of this.

Make no mistake: they are printing money.

Produce their own tv? The phillies are broadcast by Comcast and I am sure have multi year deals. They do not reap the benefits of TV like NESN or YES does. You can't even compare the situations.

No doubt the Phillies have money, their payroll has increased however much in the past 3 years which is a great thing for baseball in general, but it has to at least raise some warning flags that they have debt that is 10 times its annual earnings. Like I said, I don't think this tells you much, but I do think it says you won't be seeing them jump much if at all above the luxury tax any time soon.

The Juggler

i'd rather mayberry than francisco too but i do agree with the playing every day thing. fancisco also makes more $...

plus i think francisco is much better as a utility guy playing every few days. this is a good role for him.

numbers game. mayberry will be back.

Empty Glass

Anyone heading to PNC this weekend? My first trip to their "new" park. I'm heading out for the Sat/Sun games. Was hoping for Halladay / Lee weekend, but maybe Kendrick will put together a decent outing.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Unless they raised ticket prices this seasons, there's a good chance the Phillies are making less money this year than they did last year. I don't know a lot about their financial situation, but you would have to assume stuff like their tv contracts, radio contracts, and advertisements are multi year deals. So any money made off of those would be the same as last year.

1- They did raise ticket prices this year; they do every year.
2- They produce their own TV, so they would reap any increase in ad revenue. I don't know if it's multi-year deals, but with the hype going in they clearly were in a position to charge more for all of this.

Make no mistake: they are printing money.

Produce their own tv? The phillies are broadcast by Comcast and I am sure have multi year deals. They do not reap the benefits of TV like NESN or YES does. You can't even compare the situations.

No doubt the Phillies have money, their payroll has increased however much in the past 3 years which is a great thing for baseball in general, but it has to at least raise some warning flags that they have debt that is 10 times its annual earnings. Like I said, I don't think this tells you much, but I do think it says you won't be seeing them jump much if at all above the luxury tax any time soon.

i think their TV deal is really lacking. i remember an article for a year or two ago saying there were still in the midst of the TV deal that was signed before the current run so the rates weren't really high. expect a huge increase in revenue once that deal is up (no clue when that is). and Amaro has already stated they will never go over the luxury tax.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Produce their own tv? The phillies are broadcast by Comcast and I am sure have multi year deals. They do not reap the benefits of TV like NESN or YES does. You can't even compare the situations.

No doubt the Phillies have money, their payroll has increased however much in the past 3 years which is a great thing for baseball in general, but it has to at least raise some warning flags that they have debt that is 10 times its annual earnings. Like I said, I don't think this tells you much, but I do think it says you won't be seeing them jump much if at all above the luxury tax any time soon.

edit: somehow ended up with this post 3x. and it wasn't even one of my brilliant ones

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Produce their own tv? The phillies are broadcast by Comcast and I am sure have multi year deals. They do not reap the benefits of TV like NESN or YES does. You can't even compare the situations.

No doubt the Phillies have money, their payroll has increased however much in the past 3 years which is a great thing for baseball in general, but it has to at least raise some warning flags that they have debt that is 10 times its annual earnings. Like I said, I don't think this tells you much, but I do think it says you won't be seeing them jump much if at all above the luxury tax any time soon.

i think their TV deal is really lacking. i remember an article for a year or two ago saying there were still in the midst of the TV deal that was signed before the current run so the rates weren't really high. expect a huge increase in revenue once that deal is up (no clue when that is). and Amaro has already stated they will never go over the luxury tax.

The Juggler

the one owner just sold that cigar company for billions. not concerned.

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

the one owner just sold that cigar company for billions. not concerned.

And Ted Lerner is worth $3 billion or whatever, not really the point.

Johnny Abruzzo

Yes, they do produce their own TV. That's why the Channel 17 broadcasts are the same as the CSN broadcasts.

I wouldn't argue with you about in-depth Yankees knowledge. Why? Because I know you know more than me. Vice versa with the Phillies.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Yes, they do produce their own TV. That's why the Channel 17 broadcasts are the same as the CSN broadcasts.

I wouldn't argue with you about in-depth Yankees knowledge. Why? Because I know you know more than me. Vice versa with the Phillies.

I don't disagree and I never said the Phillies don't have money, I just think it has to be a little concerning that the Phillies have that amount of debt. They are the only team on that list of teams in that situation who are not a joke or have a specific reason.

http://blogs.forbes.com/mikeozanian/201 ... cliff-lee/

The Juggler

anyone doing anything for the bike race?

another reminder of me getting older happened today when someone said it was this weekend and i had no idea.

this used to be a yearly event for me and my crew back in the day. friends of mine had a place on shurs lane for years after college. hanging out drinking all day long (god bless out-door day time drinking)...followed by a blackout...then a whole lot of uneccessary rowdiness all over the yunk in the evening. oh, and a bike race. good times.

jamminpearls

Francisco should have been sent down before Mayberry,since Mayberry brings alot more to the team. Martinez should have been the real one to go but we like holding onto rule 5 guys.

tvismyfriend

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Unless they raised ticket prices this seasons, there's a good chance the Phillies are making less money this year than they did last year. I don't know a lot about their financial situation, but you would have to assume stuff like their tv contracts, radio contracts, and advertisements are multi year deals. So any money made off of those would be the same as last year.

1- They did raise ticket prices this year; they do every year.
2- They produce their own TV, so they would reap any increase in ad revenue. I don't know if it's multi-year deals, but with the hype going in they clearly were in a position to charge more for all of this.

Make no mistake: they are printing money.

I mean really raise ticket prices. Enough to offset a decent portion of the increase in payroll.

The Juggler

finally:

1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Chase Utley
3. Placido Polanco
4. Ryan Howard
5. Shane Victorino
6. Raul Ibanez
7. Dom Brown
8. Carlos Ruiz
9. Cole Hamels

:thumbup:

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

finally:

1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Chase Utley
3. Placido Polanco
4. Ryan Howard
5. Shane Victorino
6. Raul Ibanez
7. Dom Brown
8. Carlos Ruiz
9. Cole Hamels

:thumbup:

victorino 5th is interesting. looks a hell of a lot better than about 2 weeks ago doesn't it?

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

finally:

1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Chase Utley
3. Placido Polanco
4. Ryan Howard
5. Shane Victorino
6. Raul Ibanez
7. Dom Brown
8. Carlos Ruiz
9. Cole Hamels

:thumbup:

victorino 5th is interesting. looks a hell of a lot better than about 2 weeks ago doesn't it?

sure does. hopefully we stay injury free. still have a solid 2 months to evaluate it before trade deadline...

Johnny Abruzzo

tvismyfriend wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

tvismyfriend wrote:

Unless they raised ticket prices this seasons, there's a good chance the Phillies are making less money this year than they did last year. I don't know a lot about their financial situation, but you would have to assume stuff like their tv contracts, radio contracts, and advertisements are multi year deals. So any money made off of those would be the same as last year.

1- They did raise ticket prices this year; they do every year.
2- They produce their own TV, so they would reap any increase in ad revenue. I don't know if it's multi-year deals, but with the hype going in they clearly were in a position to charge more for all of this.

Make no mistake: they are printing money.

I mean really raise ticket prices. Enough to offset a decent portion of the increase in payroll.

$3 per ticket increase x 3,000,000 tixx = $9,000,000.

Glad our regular lineup scored so many runs tonight. :roll:

Johnny Abruzzo

Well at least we have Kendrick pitching tomorrow. :twisted: