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Simple.
Profits.
Why should Exxon sell a gallon of gas to an American for 3 bucks... when there is a guy in China willing to pay 5 bucks?
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Welcome to the WTO (remember, that was that thing all those hippies rioted about in Seattle back in the 1990s). It is here.
You're correct....they were complaining.
Double standard....You can.....We can't
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My point is that it does no good to tell people how terrible they are for wasting their own gas. It's their money and gas!
Here's the problem I have with that view. People think if they can purchase something it is their right to have it.
The general public relies on oil in many ways, so when people are wasteful and/or over-consuming it has an effect on the rest of us. This can be in rising prices, not just at the pump, but also for food and other life necessities even for those who do not drive.
There has been gas rationing in the US before, it could certainly happen again.
I have no problem telling someone what I think of them being wasteful, because I DO see it as having an effect on my life.
For instance, if I had a neighbor in a neighborhood where water rationing had been introduced by assigned lawn watering days who was still watering everyday using the mentality that they pay for it and should be able to use however much they can afford, I'd tell them I didn't appreciate it and why. If they continued to water everyday, I'd turn them in.
I can't "turn people in" for being wasteful with OUR limited oil supply, but I can use social pressuring with them.
Peer Pressure - it isn't just for high school.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Here's the problem I have with that view. People think if they can purchase something it is their right to have it.
The general public relies on oil in many ways, so when people are wasteful and/or over-consuming it has an effect on the rest of us. This can be in rising prices, not just at the pump, but also for food and other life necessities even for those who do not drive.
There has been gas rationing in the US before, it could certainly happen again.
I have no problem telling someone what I think of them being wasteful, because I DO see it as having an effect on my life.
For instance, if I had a neighbor in a neighborhood where water rationing had been introduced by assigned lawn watering days who was still watering everyday using the mentality that they pay for it and should be able to use however much they can afford, I'd tell them I didn't appreciate it and why. If they continued to water everyday, I'd turn them in.
I can't "turn people in" for being wasteful with OUR limited oil supply, but I can use social pressuring with them.
Peer Pressure - it isn't just for high school.
Well said....
I think it's all in the delivery.
If you tell someone there a "big fat slob" for wasting food, they probably won't take it well.
If you tell them that they can explore some alternatives to get rid of their extra food, they may take it a little better.
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No I'm pointing out the obvious double standards of Environmentalist Hipster Elitest (as long as we're calling names)....
complaning about others complaining....Ironic
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Who's complaining? I'm not. I am simply saying that you look like a hypocritical tool if you are wasting something... and complaining about how much it costs for the stuff you are wasting. it may make sense to you... it doesn't make sense to me. Do yourself (and everyone within earshot) a favor and either stop wasting or shut the fuck up.
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Let me correct you: As long as YOU are calling names. Also, you are so far off base on your 'Name Calling', it's kind of pathetic. I don' know where this environmentalist rage comes from... were you molested as a child by Jacques Cousteau?
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Hail, Hail!!!
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This one... I don't get... at all.
You need to explain this one.
People have the right to protest, but only what "They" believe in.....
The other side is just complaining when they speak against something...
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People have the right to protest, but only what "They" believe in.....
The other side is just complaining when they speak against something...
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Sorry.. still don't get the connection... and I haven't a clue what you mean about the 'other side'.
Hippies rioting in Seattle in the 1990s warning of the pitfalls of the WTO... which have lead to the Global Economy and current gasoline prices...
vs.
People (quite possibly hippies) sitting is SUVs at McDonalds for 20 minutes with the engine idling and the A/C going full bore and complaining about the cost of gasoline.
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What if I said it was "Blue Collar Union workers", instead of hippies... because the Union guys were up there, too. I take it.. you don't care for Union guys, either.
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Still don't see the comparison. I think you're just going to have to pass on this one.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Sorry.. still don't get the connection... and I haven't a clue what you mean about the 'other side'.
Hippies rioting in Seattle in the 1990s warning of the pitfalls of the WTO... which have lead to the Global Economy and current gasoline prices...
vs.
People (quite possibly hippies) sitting is SUVs at McDonalds for 20 minutes with the engine idling and the A/C going full bore and complaining about the cost of gasoline.
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What if I said it was "Blue Collar Union workers", instead of hippies... because the Union guys were up there, too. I take it.. you don't care for Union guys, either.
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Still don't see the comparison. I think you're just going to have to pass on this one.
One side of an argument always bitches that the other side is simply "Complaining".
You're damn right I'm complaining because Exxon is bending me over....... but somehow that's just economics and I have to sit quietly and stop using gas.
but....
Obviously you're smarter than me....so.....I'll just "shut the fuck up" (your words)
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One side of an argument always bitches that the other side is simply "Complaining".
You're damn right I'm complaining because Exxon is bending me over....... but somehow that's just economics and I have to sit quietly and stop using gas.
but....
Obviously you're smarter than me....so.....I'll just "shut the fuck up" (your words)
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Finally... an agreement. Yay.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
One side of an argument always bitches that the other side is simply "Complaining".
You're damn right I'm complaining because Exxon is bending me over....... but somehow that's just economics and I have to sit quietly and stop using gas.
but....
Obviously you're smarter than me....so.....I'll just "shut the fuck up" (your words)
EXXON isn't bending you over. They only make $0.72 on a $4 gallon of gas... It's the taxes that are fucking you in the ass.
EXXON isn't bending you over. They only make $0.72 on a $4 gallon of gas... It's the taxes that are fucking you in the ass.
Then I'm having a shitty threesome with the man!
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Can't wait to drive to Pennsylvania next week. Should be real fun. I've got a 2.5L V-6 Camry. Hopefully I can get around 25 mpg highway. My trip is about 1,200 miles round trip, plus a couple hundo in driving between the ballpark for work and my extended family's homes for visiting. Figure 1,400 miles divided by 22 mpg is about 64 gallons o gas. I think I've got a 15-gallon tank. I guess I'll have to fill up five times to have some fuel left for driving to work when I get back home. Damn! That's like $300 in gas! Gotta get a job where I can afford a new car. Of course, I like the V-6 b/c it's nice to step on the gas and have that bitch go with some motivation.
"Almost all those politicians took money from Enron, and there they are holding hearings. That's like O.J. Simpson getting in the Rae Carruth jury pool." -- Charles Barkley
EXXON isn't bending you over. They only make $0.72 on a $4 gallon of gas... It's the taxes that are fucking you in the ass.
or $40 billion profit per quarter. or enough to send their CEO out the door with $350 million. But hey, times are tough for them too. The next CEO may be forced to retire with just a $300 million package
or $40 billion profit per quarter. or enough to send their CEO out the door with $350 million. But hey, times are tough for them too. The next CEO may be forced to retire with just a $300 million package
AWESOME! If the profit was $40 billion, then the govt. is taking in $45 billion per quarter.
YAY!! GO TAXES!
I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.
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Someone made a point on the radio here in DC today. He said I'm glad gas prices are high and getting higher. What he meant was that Americans will now have conserve what gas they get by having to walk more often, bike more often and get by without going to get fast foods or out to eat.
Cook more often at home and in general bring the family closer together. Also this may create a more healthy America and it's already known we have become an unhealthy nation. He said he hopes it gets to $10 a gallon, I can see and agree with his point but $10 a gallon?
Peace
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Someone made a point on the radio here in DC today. He said I'm glad gas prices are high and getting higher. What he meant was that Americans will now have conserve what gas they get by having to walk more often, bike more often and get by without going to get fast foods or out to eat.
Cook more often at home and in general bring the family closer together. Also this may create a more healthy America and it's already known we have become an unhealthy nation. He said he hopes it gets to $10 a gallon, I can see and agree with his point but $10 a gallon?
Peace
I'm gonna say that culture won't change that quickly.
If anything I see an increase in crime and unemployment.
However, we will see skinny criminals and unemployed people!
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EXXON isn't bending you over. They only make $0.72 on a $4 gallon of gas... It's the taxes that are fucking you in the ass.
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The National Average of combined State And Federal Taxes is about .40 per gallon (13%). Here in California... it's something like .36 per gallon (combined State and Federal Taxes).
ref. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/dn08/dn08gas.html
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So, if we subtract the .40 cents in taxes... and the .72 cents you say are what oil companies make... that leaves $3.09 per gallon (that I paid today) that is left unaccounted for. We know is doesn't go to the gas station owners... where does it go?
I do not believe that on the $4.21 per gallon of gasoline I paid today... that $3.49 of it went to taxes.
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Also... Exxon Mobile profits for the past 12 monts was 164 Billion dollars.
"And at first blush, many would agree. Over the past 12 months, for example, ExxonMobil has made pre-tax profits of $164 billion on sales of $369.5 billion. That's a lot."
ref. http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2007/20070323.html
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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The National Average of combined State And Federal Taxes is about .40 per gallon (13%). Here in California... it's something like .36 per gallon (combined State and Federal Taxes).
ref. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/dn08/dn08gas.html
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So, if we subtract the .40 cents in taxes... and the .72 cents you say are what oil companies make... that leaves $3.09 per gallon (that I paid today) that is left unaccounted for. We know is doesn't go to the gas station owners... where does it go?
I do not believe that on the $4.21 per gallon of gasoline I paid today... that $3.49 of it went to taxes.
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Also... Exxon Mobile profits for the past 12 monts was 164 Billion dollars.
"And at first blush, many would agree. Over the past 12 months, for example, ExxonMobil has made pre-tax profits of $164 billion on sales of $369.5 billion. That's a lot."
ref. http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2007/20070323.html
the station makes some dough, and the .72 per gallon is net profit, not gross revenue.
the station makes some dough, and the .72 per gallon is net profit, not gross revenue.
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Well... let's say the numbers are correct...$4.21 per gallon... 44% Oil Company Profits... 13% combined state and federal taxes...
44% of $4.21 is $1.85 per gallon (ExxonMobil profits)
.85 goes to (State and Federal) taxes and California (State and local) sales Taxes at the pump.
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$4.21 - 1.85 - .85 = 1.82 per gallon.
$1.51 per gallon is going to buying the oil, refining it and distributing it to the retaliers and retailer profits.
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Forgot to factor in State and local Sales taxes... California = .31 per gallon.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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We just have to face reality... the oil companies will charge what people are willing to pay. Why give us a break when they can sell that same gallon to someone in China willing to pay 5 bucks? You, me some guy in China... we are all the same to the oil company exec. They have no loyalty to us.. just themselves.
Reading your posts, and once again, pretty much in agreement with much of what you are saying. Wasteful society. Especially the type of cars people buy. Thing is, you can get an SUV that gets good gas mileage. Toyota highlander hybrid, ford escape hybrid, jeep patriot, Saturn somethingorother.
I havent seen you mention the american auto companies yet, though.
While demand is mostly to blame, many american people want to buy "american" cars, but american cars dont offer much in terms of MPG, at least not decent sized ones.
I read that GM is closing 4 plants in the U.S. and may discontinue the Hummer. Its about time. I know, people are consumers, and they buy what they want. But there are people like my dad who doesnt want a truck, doesnt want a tank, doesnt want a cadillac....he just wants a sedan type car that gets good mpg.....but her refuses to buy a toyota because we fought Japan in WWII. As a result, hes probably going to buy a car that is "american" but gets worse gas mileage....simply becasue its american.
Its too bad the US automakers didnt have the foresight to see this coming long ago. Jobs could have been saved, gas could have been saved, and the environment would be better off.
its too bad they are in bed with the oil companies in the first place.
We all should buy little mini fucking cars and screw them all up!
My Hyundai get 32 mpg and I spend 42.00 to fill up.
I will hold the candle until it burns up my arm. I'll keep taking punches until their will grows tired. I will stare the sun down until my eyes go blind. I won't change direction and I won't change my mind.
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Reading your posts, and once again, pretty much in agreement with much of what you are saying. Wasteful society. Especially the type of cars people buy. Thing is, you can get an SUV that gets good gas mileage. Toyota highlander hybrid, ford escape hybrid, jeep patriot, Saturn somethingorother.
I havent seen you mention the american auto companies yet, though.
While demand is mostly to blame, many american people want to buy "american" cars, but american cars dont offer much in terms of MPG, at least not decent sized ones.
I read that GM is closing 4 plants in the U.S. and may discontinue the Hummer. Its about time. I know, people are consumers, and they buy what they want. But there are people like my dad who doesnt want a truck, doesnt want a tank, doesnt want a cadillac....he just wants a sedan type car that gets good mpg.....but her refuses to buy a toyota because we fought Japan in WWII. As a result, hes probably going to buy a car that is "american" but gets worse gas mileage....simply becasue its american.
Its too bad the US automakers didnt have the foresight to see this coming long ago. Jobs could have been saved, gas could have been saved, and the environment would be better off.
its too bad they are in bed with the oil companies in the first place.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Yes I know we're living the good life but this hits suddenly it's a shocking wake up call.
I live in the fricking USA, 6 months in Palm Beach FL, and 6 months in The Nation's Capital.
I found the lowest in town and that was $3.92 reg, The subway is MORE expensive however riding the 32 miles roundtrip to work is looking more enticing.
Peace
its just a number (oh wait thats the response when someone mentions the Iraq war death toll) although i do feel US citizens have lived irresponsibly. Paying an extra 20-30 dollars to fill your tanks shouldnt be a deal breaker. Time to look at the choices you made in your life.
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You're correct....they were complaining.
Double standard....You can.....We can't
Here's the problem I have with that view. People think if they can purchase something it is their right to have it.
The general public relies on oil in many ways, so when people are wasteful and/or over-consuming it has an effect on the rest of us. This can be in rising prices, not just at the pump, but also for food and other life necessities even for those who do not drive.
There has been gas rationing in the US before, it could certainly happen again.
I have no problem telling someone what I think of them being wasteful, because I DO see it as having an effect on my life.
For instance, if I had a neighbor in a neighborhood where water rationing had been introduced by assigned lawn watering days who was still watering everyday using the mentality that they pay for it and should be able to use however much they can afford, I'd tell them I didn't appreciate it and why. If they continued to water everyday, I'd turn them in.
I can't "turn people in" for being wasteful with OUR limited oil supply, but I can use social pressuring with them.
Peer Pressure - it isn't just for high school.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Well said....
I think it's all in the delivery.
If you tell someone there a "big fat slob" for wasting food, they probably won't take it well.
If you tell them that they can explore some alternatives to get rid of their extra food, they may take it a little better.
Who's complaining? I'm not. I am simply saying that you look like a hypocritical tool if you are wasting something... and complaining about how much it costs for the stuff you are wasting. it may make sense to you... it doesn't make sense to me. Do yourself (and everyone within earshot) a favor and either stop wasting or shut the fuck up.
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Let me correct you: As long as YOU are calling names. Also, you are so far off base on your 'Name Calling', it's kind of pathetic. I don' know where this environmentalist rage comes from... were you molested as a child by Jacques Cousteau?
Hail, Hail!!!
This one... I don't get... at all.
You need to explain this one.
Hail, Hail!!!
People have the right to protest, but only what "They" believe in.....
The other side is just complaining when they speak against something...
try a different route
That would waste gas
Sorry.. still don't get the connection... and I haven't a clue what you mean about the 'other side'.
Hippies rioting in Seattle in the 1990s warning of the pitfalls of the WTO... which have lead to the Global Economy and current gasoline prices...
vs.
People (quite possibly hippies) sitting is SUVs at McDonalds for 20 minutes with the engine idling and the A/C going full bore and complaining about the cost of gasoline.
...
What if I said it was "Blue Collar Union workers", instead of hippies... because the Union guys were up there, too. I take it.. you don't care for Union guys, either.
...
Still don't see the comparison. I think you're just going to have to pass on this one.
Hail, Hail!!!
Unless you're on a skateboard.
Hail, Hail!!!
One side of an argument always bitches that the other side is simply "Complaining".
You're damn right I'm complaining because Exxon is bending me over....... but somehow that's just economics and I have to sit quietly and stop using gas.
but....
Obviously you're smarter than me....so.....I'll just "shut the fuck up" (your words)
Finally... an agreement. Yay.
Hail, Hail!!!
EXXON isn't bending you over. They only make $0.72 on a $4 gallon of gas... It's the taxes that are fucking you in the ass.
Then I'm having a shitty threesome with the man!
OR better yet horses...Plus, we can solve Paula Cole's question back in '96 http://youtube.com/watch?v=ja8Jz2tmTuc
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
or $40 billion profit per quarter. or enough to send their CEO out the door with $350 million. But hey, times are tough for them too. The next CEO may be forced to retire with just a $300 million package
AWESOME! If the profit was $40 billion, then the govt. is taking in $45 billion per quarter.
YAY!! GO TAXES!
Cook more often at home and in general bring the family closer together. Also this may create a more healthy America and it's already known we have become an unhealthy nation. He said he hopes it gets to $10 a gallon, I can see and agree with his point but $10 a gallon?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'm gonna say that culture won't change that quickly.
If anything I see an increase in crime and unemployment.
However, we will see skinny criminals and unemployed people!
The National Average of combined State And Federal Taxes is about .40 per gallon (13%). Here in California... it's something like .36 per gallon (combined State and Federal Taxes).
ref. http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/dn08/dn08gas.html
...
So, if we subtract the .40 cents in taxes... and the .72 cents you say are what oil companies make... that leaves $3.09 per gallon (that I paid today) that is left unaccounted for. We know is doesn't go to the gas station owners... where does it go?
I do not believe that on the $4.21 per gallon of gasoline I paid today... that $3.49 of it went to taxes.
...
Also... Exxon Mobile profits for the past 12 monts was 164 Billion dollars.
"And at first blush, many would agree. Over the past 12 months, for example, ExxonMobil has made pre-tax profits of $164 billion on sales of $369.5 billion. That's a lot."
ref. http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2007/20070323.html
Hail, Hail!!!
the station makes some dough, and the .72 per gallon is net profit, not gross revenue.
Well... let's say the numbers are correct...$4.21 per gallon... 44% Oil Company Profits... 13% combined state and federal taxes...
44% of $4.21 is $1.85 per gallon (ExxonMobil profits)
.85 goes to (State and Federal) taxes and California (State and local) sales Taxes at the pump.
...
$4.21 - 1.85 - .85 = 1.82 per gallon.
$1.51 per gallon is going to buying the oil, refining it and distributing it to the retaliers and retailer profits.
...
Forgot to factor in State and local Sales taxes... California = .31 per gallon.
Hail, Hail!!!
Reading your posts, and once again, pretty much in agreement with much of what you are saying. Wasteful society. Especially the type of cars people buy. Thing is, you can get an SUV that gets good gas mileage. Toyota highlander hybrid, ford escape hybrid, jeep patriot, Saturn somethingorother.
I havent seen you mention the american auto companies yet, though.
While demand is mostly to blame, many american people want to buy "american" cars, but american cars dont offer much in terms of MPG, at least not decent sized ones.
I read that GM is closing 4 plants in the U.S. and may discontinue the Hummer. Its about time. I know, people are consumers, and they buy what they want. But there are people like my dad who doesnt want a truck, doesnt want a tank, doesnt want a cadillac....he just wants a sedan type car that gets good mpg.....but her refuses to buy a toyota because we fought Japan in WWII. As a result, hes probably going to buy a car that is "american" but gets worse gas mileage....simply becasue its american.
Its too bad the US automakers didnt have the foresight to see this coming long ago. Jobs could have been saved, gas could have been saved, and the environment would be better off.
its too bad they are in bed with the oil companies in the first place.
Nuclear fission
My Hyundai get 32 mpg and I spend 42.00 to fill up.
Hummer's Dead End
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I guess they can keep raising the price.