welcome to the losers club Sox fans...sucks to be here, and you did give it a good/exciting run so congrats on a decent, if disappointing season. I'm wondering who you guys are going to go after in the off-season, especially in an offseason where everyone has money to blow. Solat I'm looking in your direction on this one...I kept hearing about how the Sox never commit errors and the like, but, aside from another Manny-like bopper, don't you guys have a need with range in the field? I guess Ellsbury and Youk are well above average, but everywhere else you could do with an upgrade right? Is my eyesight right on this or do the stats prove otherwise?
welcome to the losers club Sox fans...sucks to be here, and you did give it a good/exciting run so congrats on a decent, if disappointing season. I'm wondering who you guys are going to go after in the off-season, especially in an offseason where everyone has money to blow. Solat I'm looking in your direction on this one...I kept hearing about how the Sox never commit errors and the like, but, aside from another Manny-like bopper, don't you guys have a need with range in the field? I guess Ellsbury and Youk are well above average, but everywhere else you could do with an upgrade right? Is my eyesight right on this or do the stats prove otherwise?
I'm heading to lunch, but I can't call the season a disappointment at all. They won one less game in the regular season than in 2007 and almost made the World Series again. That could never be considered a disappointment. Plus they have resurrected their farm system.
I'll address offseason needs later, but Pedroia is a plus fielder and so is Lowell and Youk in the infield. And their OF defense is fine. Jacoby and Coco are plus fielders in center with below average arms, but high range. Drew is as adequate in right and Bay is an upgrade over Manny.
Well it was a tremendous series. I truly felt like the Sox would pull the improbable comeback last night, but alas, they just couldn't outlast the Rays. Really a good series. The Sox do have some needs and it starts with another strong arm for the rotation, an excellent hitting catcher and some bullpen help. Can you imagine a rotation with a healthy Beckett, Dice-K, Lester and Jake Peavy? Byrd is not an answer in my opinion. V-tek should be a backup catcher at this point. Timlin has to go. Aardsma might be okay for the bullpen. I still have a question mark at SS. If Lowell and Drew are 100% healthy next year we should be okay, but adding Texiera in some capacity would be good.
Can you imagine a rotation with a healthy Beckett, Dice-K, Lester and Jake Peavy?
Peavy has a full no trade clause, and I think he's stated he really wants to stay in the NL. He's a hell of a talent, but, don't expect him in the AL next year.
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Peavy has a full no trade clause, and I think he's stated he really wants to stay in the NL. He's a hell of a talent, but, don't expect him in the AL next year.
i'm not a boston fan but that team has more heart than both of the NY teams combined ...
Well I'm a hardcore, and completely agree. Everyone was hurt in some capacity. Who knows, if Drew was 100% healthy (I don't think he was) with the bases loaded things may have been different, but that's not to shortchange Price or the Rays staff. Their pitching really is very good. If they get one more slugger (Texiera?) they may be incredible.
I said this before... "WE NEED MORE PITCHING"!!!!!!!
I never understood why they got rid of Arroyo or Orlando Cabrera SS.
Theo has his flaws. He wanted Renteria, who knows why? I liked Orlando, too but his bat has slowed. Bronson, dollar for dollar was a good move and we moved him for Wily Mo....wrong Pena, Theo! Should've got Carlos back!!! And too bad we couldn't hold onto Hanley and moved Clay Buchholtz in the Florida deal for Lowell/Beckett. That would've helped a lot.
I would go after Dempster. Probably won't be as much as C.C., Sheets, Lowe, Burnett, etc. and he has a high K/BB ratio and a high GB/FB ration which are things the Sox look for in pitchers.
True! What was he thinking when they signed Colon :rolleyes: and why didn't Schilling have the surgery in off season? He never even played all year, but I think it kind of hurt us without Lowell in the past month or so. He played while he was in so much pain..
As for Schilling, he came through with his promise when he signed on with the team. We did not only get 1 World Series, but 2...
Colon was a million dollar insurance plan. He went 4-2 with a 3.92 era in 7 starts. Considering how little he cost, it was worth taking the flier on him. He was never brought in to be a part of the rotation fulltime unless a disaster hit.
Colon was a million dollar insurance plan. He went 4-2 with a 3.92 era in 7 starts. Considering how little he cost, it was worth taking the flier on him. He was never brought in to be a part of the rotation fulltime unless a disaster hit.
Yeah, dollar for dollar it was worth the investment since he won a CY Young award recently, but what was the story that he took his ball and went home, so to speak.
Yeah, dollar for dollar it was worth the investment since he won a CY Young award recently, but what was the story that he took his ball and went home, so to speak.
The Sox asked him in September to try working out of the bullpen because that's what they deemed him as most valuable to them down the stretch since he couldn't go deep into games but still had pretty good stuff. Well Colon didn't take kindly to the request and left the team.
I never said Colon was a good guy, but the production they got out of him for 1 mil is not too bad considering they paid Clement like 12 mil in 07 and never got a start and Schilling 8 this year and never got a start either.
The Sox asked him in September to try working out of the bullpen because that's what they deemed him as most valuable to them down the stretch since he couldn't go deep into games but still had pretty good stuff. Well Colon didn't take kindly to the request and left the team.
I never said Colon was a good guy, but the production they got out of him for 1 mil is not too bad considering they paid Clement like 12 mil in 07 and never got a start and Schilling 8 this year and never got a start either.
Clement was like our Pavano..sorta but cheaper. Not sure I'd want Lowe in 09 but he is a ground ball pitcher. AJ is a lefty...that might be the way to go but Yanks may go that way too.
Clement was like our Pavano..sorta but cheaper. Not sure I'd want Lowe in 09 but he is a ground ball pitcher. AJ is a lefty...that might be the way to go but Yanks may go that way too.
aj burnett is a righty and an oft injured one at that. no thanks.
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apparently lowe has put the red sox at the top of his list of teams he would want to sign with...but, i doubt that the sox would have interest. he'll cost too much and he had off-field issues when he was here.
manny...he'll go to the team that puts up the most $$$. i would be shocked if he didn't.
You don't think Manny will go to the Yankees $$$$$$$$$$$
As far as Lowe I wouldn't mind getting him back, but the rumor when they didn't sign him again was he was cheating on his wife, and they didn't approve of that...
I think Manny wants to play the field still. And The Yanks have a log jam in the OF with Nady in Right and Damon/Matsui in Left.
Though if they gave him enough Manny wouldn't care about dhing.
I think Manny wants to play the field still. And The Yanks have a log jam in the OF with Nady in Right and Damon/Matsui in Left.
Though if they gave him enough Manny wouldn't care about dhing.
yea but Matsui's always hurt, Damons got a noodle arm and doesnt put up numbers like Manny does
I heard the other day on the broadcast that Manny might wanna join Charlie Manuel in Philly??
and that The Brewers are ready to throw tons of $$$$ to CC Sabathia?
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
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Manny cares about 2 things: Manny & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He has earned the right to as many $$$$$$, on the other hand you have A-Rod, Nuff said
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yea but Matsui's always hurt, Damons got a noodle arm and doesnt put up numbers like Manny does
I heard the other day on the broadcast that Manny might wanna join Charlie Manuel in Philly??
and that The Brewers are ready to throw tons of $$$$ to CC Sabathia?
As a fan of the Brewers, I can say that they do have a TON of money coming off the books this year (for them of course) just with Sheets and Gagne leaving. However, they are going to have to pay a pissed off Prince, and J.J. Hardy which will cut into that. As such, I really don't see how they keep C.C., other than he loved playing there, has friends in Cameron and Riske, and has a chance to be a huge star in a small town. I'm afraid these are small-time things in a world where he can go home to L.A. and hit, or to the Yankees to become a superstar.
IF the magic happens it would be a pretty stellar staff of four with Sabathia (29 y/o LH), Gallardo (22 y/o RH), Parra (24 y/o LH), Bush (28 y/o RH), and "former Red Sox great" Suppan (RH). Just to let you know you DO NOT want Dumpster NL-AL pitching rarely works out, and, aside from the fact that he's a Pearl Jam fan, there's nothing really good about him outside of Wrigley Field.
Also Solat...I realize the Sox catch the ball well, but my question was what is their range factor? I know you know stats like that pretty well, so that's all I was wondering.
I hear that.
All I know is the Yankees better come up with SOME kind of a quality no.1 or 2 pitcher side by side with Wang and I guess Joba. One more big time batter like Manny wouldnt hurt either
Aah, fuck it, I’m just gonna go home, turn on the fuckin’ TV...
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
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I hear that.
All I know is the Yankees better come up with SOME kind of a quality no.1 or 2 pitcher side by side with Wang and I guess Joba. One more big time batter like Manny wouldnt hurt either
they need teixiera more than manny imo
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yea I dunno whats gonna happen at 1st base, but sure I'd take Texiera in a heartbeat.
Even tho I dont think he did much when he got traded this yr did he?
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all of major league baseball. why would it work for 29 teams, but not one?
I'm heading to lunch, but I can't call the season a disappointment at all. They won one less game in the regular season than in 2007 and almost made the World Series again. That could never be considered a disappointment. Plus they have resurrected their farm system.
I'll address offseason needs later, but Pedroia is a plus fielder and so is Lowell and Youk in the infield. And their OF defense is fine. Jacoby and Coco are plus fielders in center with below average arms, but high range. Drew is as adequate in right and Bay is an upgrade over Manny.
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Peavy has a full no trade clause, and I think he's stated he really wants to stay in the NL. He's a hell of a talent, but, don't expect him in the AL next year.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
How about C.C.?
I expect the Brewers to push hard on him ... and if that doesn't get him signed, expect the Yankees to far overpay.
I think I remember him saying he'd like to pitch in California, as he's from the state (maybe L.A.?).
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Well I'm a hardcore, and completely agree. Everyone was hurt in some capacity. Who knows, if Drew was 100% healthy (I don't think he was) with the bases loaded things may have been different, but that's not to shortchange Price or the Rays staff. Their pitching really is very good. If they get one more slugger (Texiera?) they may be incredible.
Theo has his flaws. He wanted Renteria, who knows why? I liked Orlando, too but his bat has slowed. Bronson, dollar for dollar was a good move and we moved him for Wily Mo....wrong Pena, Theo! Should've got Carlos back!!! And too bad we couldn't hold onto Hanley and moved Clay Buchholtz in the Florida deal for Lowell/Beckett. That would've helped a lot.
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Colon was a million dollar insurance plan. He went 4-2 with a 3.92 era in 7 starts. Considering how little he cost, it was worth taking the flier on him. He was never brought in to be a part of the rotation fulltime unless a disaster hit.
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Yeah, dollar for dollar it was worth the investment since he won a CY Young award recently, but what was the story that he took his ball and went home, so to speak.
The Sox asked him in September to try working out of the bullpen because that's what they deemed him as most valuable to them down the stretch since he couldn't go deep into games but still had pretty good stuff. Well Colon didn't take kindly to the request and left the team.
I never said Colon was a good guy, but the production they got out of him for 1 mil is not too bad considering they paid Clement like 12 mil in 07 and never got a start and Schilling 8 this year and never got a start either.
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Clement was like our Pavano..sorta but cheaper. Not sure I'd want Lowe in 09 but he is a ground ball pitcher. AJ is a lefty...that might be the way to go but Yanks may go that way too.
aj burnett is a righty and an oft injured one at that. no thanks.
who is the Toronto pitcher that's lefty...is it BJ Ryan? He's a pen guy tho, thought they had a lefty starter? Doc is a righty, no?
Manny might go to the Angels as who is their DH? Not sure about Lowe.
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Sadly, that's pretty close ... lol.
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bj ryan is their closer. the jays don't have a lefty starter. they did have ted lilly a couple years ago. maybe that is who you are thinking of.
apparently lowe has put the red sox at the top of his list of teams he would want to sign with...but, i doubt that the sox would have interest. he'll cost too much and he had off-field issues when he was here.
manny...he'll go to the team that puts up the most $$$. i would be shocked if he didn't.
I think Manny wants to play the field still. And The Yanks have a log jam in the OF with Nady in Right and Damon/Matsui in Left.
Though if they gave him enough Manny wouldn't care about dhing.
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I heard the other day on the broadcast that Manny might wanna join Charlie Manuel in Philly??
and that The Brewers are ready to throw tons of $$$$ to CC Sabathia?
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
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anyone hear anything like this??
Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
He has earned the right to as many $$$$$$, on the other hand you have A-Rod, Nuff said
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
IF the magic happens it would be a pretty stellar staff of four with Sabathia (29 y/o LH), Gallardo (22 y/o RH), Parra (24 y/o LH), Bush (28 y/o RH), and "former Red Sox great" Suppan (RH). Just to let you know you DO NOT want Dumpster NL-AL pitching rarely works out, and, aside from the fact that he's a Pearl Jam fan, there's nothing really good about him outside of Wrigley Field.
Also Solat...I realize the Sox catch the ball well, but my question was what is their range factor? I know you know stats like that pretty well, so that's all I was wondering.
All I know is the Yankees better come up with SOME kind of a quality no.1 or 2 pitcher side by side with Wang and I guess Joba. One more big time batter like Manny wouldnt hurt either
Watch the nightly news and drink a beer...
Like I could even change the world, yeah right...
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Once I get out of this town
9/29/04;6/27/08;6/30/08;8/23/09;08/24/09;5/17/10
Even tho I dont think he did much when he got traded this yr did he?
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