not too much to see after all, as krzysztof gets the win in the first by scoring an armbar. the preview made it look like it was going to last for a while. i feel deceived.
also, some of the guys in the house are fucking disgusting.
Agree with you completely about tonights episode mookie, some of those goes are f*cking disgusting. Drinking piss, wtf!
And Kaplan made me laugh so hard, I can't be KO'd... Ya i wasn't out, i was knocked down but i wasn't out. YOU GOT THE KTFO MAN!!!!!! lol
Mir also made himself look like a douchbag during the whole coaches challenge. Actually he's been doing it alot this whole season.
question... is there any word on rampage or forest, haven't heard much from either in a while and i just rewatched their title fight and was wondering.
edit: guess i could just look on the 1st page of this thread to see what's up with forest lol, so any word on rampage?
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
Agree with you completely about tonights episode mookie, some of those goes are f*cking disgusting. Drinking piss, wtf!
And Kaplan made me laugh so hard, I can't be KO'd... Ya i wasn't out, i was knocked down but i wasn't out. YOU GOT THE KTFO MAN!!!!!! lol
Mir also made himself look like a douchbag during the whole coaches challenge. Actually he's been doing it alot this whole season.
question... is there any word on rampage or forest, haven't heard much from either in a while and i just rewatched their title fight and was wondering.
yeah, i feel bad for amir, and his opponent too after putting in the training time and thinking he would be on the main card. i feel guilty for being excited about seeing hazelett vs. mccrory!
pretty much my thoughts as well...wtf!?!?...then knocked out!
now that you mention about frank, too, he seems to be getting more arrogant as the season goes on. i don't know if that's the way they edited it for him to get worse and worse, but the comments about crushing nogueira in anything and being 200 (?) times the athlete? seemed like he was bitter about something.
oh, and forrest and rampage are both on the UFC 92 card in december. forrest is defending the belt against rashad evans and quinton is going up against wanderlei silva for the third time! no love lost in that one, those two genuinely hate each other. quinton's been training at the wolf's lair in england with michael bisping and cheick kongo, so we'll see how that works out for him.
yeah, i feel bad for amir, and his opponent too after putting in the training time and thinking he would be on the main card. i feel guilty for being excited about seeing hazelett vs. mccrory!
pretty much my thoughts as well...wtf!?!?...then knocked out!
now that you mention about frank, too, he seems to be getting more arrogant as the season goes on. i don't know if that's the way they edited it for him to get worse and worse, but the comments about crushing nogueira in anything and being 200 (?) times the athlete? seemed like he was bitter about something.
oh, and forrest and rampage are both on the UFC 92 card in december. forrest is defending the belt against rashad evans and quinton is going up against wanderlei silva for the third time! no love lost in that one, those two genuinely hate each other. quinton's been training at the wolf's lair in england with michael bisping and cheick kongo, so we'll see how that works out for him.
i'm starting to get excited for saturday, leafs!
ya you might be right about the editing that is making Mir look as bad as he is.
Guess i should have looked lower to see rampage's name lol. And I can't believe i forgot he's fighting wandy. That's awesome
Ya i'm getting excited 2... I don't think the main event is going to go the same way as you lol but hopefully it's a good fight. I think it's going to be alot like the hearing fight with brock laying on randy and controlling him with his power on the ground. Don't get me wrong, i'm hoping randy KO's brock, just don't think it's going to happen.
Just noticed that the finale of the Ultimate Fighter is on the 13th of December... that sucks, i'm leaving for Cancun on the 13th. Now i have to find a sports bar to watch the fights there lol. Guess there goes my 1st night of parties lol.
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
ya you might be right about the editing that is making Mir look as bad as he is.
Guess i should have looked lower to see rampage's name lol. And I can't believe i forgot he's fighting wandy. That's awesome
Ya i'm getting excited 2... I don't think the main event is going to go the same way as you lol but hopefully it's a good fight. I think it's going to be alot like the hearing fight with brock laying on randy and controlling him with his power on the ground. Don't get me wrong, i'm hoping randy KO's brock, just don't think it's going to happen.
Just noticed that the finale of the Ultimate Fighter is on the 13th of December... that sucks, i'm leaving for Cancun on the 13th. Now i have to find a sports bar to watch the fights there lol. Guess there goes my 1st night of parties lol.
we're on top of the rumours here! :D
oh, that's terrible...you have to go to cancun!!! haha just kidding. that's awesome! small price to pay to miss the finale, my friend! jason macdonald vs. wilson gouveia just got added, so that's a good one for free tv. one that i thought they would put on a ppv card.
i'm hoping for a good fight too. there are so many question marks, it could go so many ways. i think brock is going to surprise a lot of his skeptics and have a very good showing whether he wins or loses. his combination of speed, power, and athleticism make him dangerous already. it's scary to think of how difficult he will be to beat once he gets some experience under his belt and learns more about the other aspects of the sport. it's crazy to think he might still be learning while already holding the belt!!! randy was on best damn sports show tonight and expressed that being underneath brock was not a place he wanted to be...it will be a bad night for him if he does get caught and brock uses that incredible ground control to wear him down and win the fight.
not too much to see after all, as krzysztof gets the win in the first by scoring an armbar. the preview made it look like it was going to last for a while. i feel deceived.
also, some of the guys in the house are fucking disgusting.
The fight was definitely a disappointment. I was hoping for more out of Kingsbury. He was easily submitted by a guy who has a shitty ground game.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
i'm not sure how they got all that footage for the commercials! it was over fairly quickly and easily, as you said, mammasan. we should see better in the quarter's and semi's.
apparently some people got the edited version of last night's episode without the "urine shots"...count yourselves lucky! haha
a little heads up for leafs and ceg ...and anyone alse who may happen to be in toronto on tuesday...
UFC 94 media tour with Georges St. Pierre and BJ Penn to hit Canada and Hawaii
By: MMAmania
“… Toronto and Honolulu get ready, UFC President Dana White is coming to town along with UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre and UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn to formally announce UFC 94: ST-PIERRE vs. PENN 2 – the incredible rematch that fans have been waiting for…. On Tuesday, November 18, St-Pierre, Penn and White will head to downtown Toronto for a public press conference and autograph signing at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto (formerly Paramount Theatre)…. On Friday, November 21, the trio will land on the Big Island and hit Honolulu for a public press conference and free viewing party at the Waikiki Shell.”
The public relations media blitz for UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2,” which takes place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on January 31 will kickoff next week with a pair of public press conferences for the monster Super Bowl weekend show. In Toronto, doors at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto will open at 9 a.m. ET and in Honolulu three days later doors will open at 4 p.m. local time. Fans are invited to attend at no cost and will receive free t-shirts while supplies last, as well as will be able to get some autographs. Sounds awesome.
who are these people writing to someone seven months after a bad fight to tell him how much they hate him? crazies! i can see an initial email to voice your displeasure, but seven months later?!?! wow...
Negative feedback follows fighter
Tuesday November 11th, 2008
UFC Canadian still hears plenty about loss in April at Bell Centre
by Neil Davidson
THE CANADIAN PRESS
Seven months after a bad loss to Nate Quarry at UFC 83, Canadian mixed martial arts middleweight Kalib Starnes is still receiving obscenity-laced hate mail.
Starnes has been called a disgrace, pathetic joke, bitch, gutless coward, loser, the MMA's No. 1 coward and liar - and a lot worse. While some e-mails have been positive, many have been downright hateful and vicious.
"I think the joy of finding somebody to kick when they're down really appeals to people," Starnes said in a weekend interview.
"I get maybe a couple of pieces of hate e-mail still to this day, almost every day. Nobody's ever said anything to my face or mentioned anything to me when I'm going through my daily life but I do still get a lot of negative talk, negative comments and so on from that performance."
Starnes returns to action Nov. 15 in Hawaii, where he is to take on Kala (Kalohe) Hose in the main event of a Destiny card. But rightly or wrongly, he may never escape what happened April 19 in the UFC's debut show in Canada.
Starnes (8-3-1) lost a unanimous decision to Quarry but it was the way he fought that spawned the abuse. He mounted virtually no offence and spent much of the fight backpedalling.
"I'm not sure what Kalib's strategy is here," fellow fighter Kenny Florian, who was doing the colour commentary that day, said early on.
The soldout Bell Centre crowd chanted "Boring, Boring," and cheered Quarry mimicking Starnes' running. And as they waited for the decision, they cheered Quarry when the American was shown on the big screens and booed Starnes when he came on.
"It takes two guys to fight and Nate's the only one that showed up to fight tonight for that fight," UFC president Dana White said dismissively later.
In an e-mail to reporters days after the bout, Starnes said: "There is a winner and a loser in every fight. I tried to win but on that night I couldn't do it and I lost.
"Instead of allowing me to lose with dignity, I was booed and called names and ridiculed beyond anything which seems reasonable to me. I tried to box with him and I couldn't find my range, I tried to kick-box with him and I broke my foot, I tried to take him down and grapple with him but I was unable to, I tried to work in the clinch but that didn't work either. In short, I failed. No excuses."
Starnes subsequently asked to be released from his UFC contract, which called for three fights a year. But the abuse continued via his website.
The 33-year-old from Surrey, B.C., spent the next 3 1/2 months in a cast. He had broken a metatarsal bone in his fight kicking Quarry two minutes into the second round.
Starnes admits it was a "low period."
"Honestly I was sitting around, taking online courses. I couldn't really do much, I couldn't train, couldn't teach, couldn't work.
"I put in three months of training then to have an injury and spend three and a half months recovering before I could even do anything again. So that's six months of my life gone and the guaranteed purse for that fight was about (US)$10,000. If you think $10,000 covers six months of intense high-level training and then the recovery and the beating and everything else and the ruined reputation, that (money) doesn't even come close."
Starnes has gone back and watched video of the fight a couple of times. "It wasn't that interesting," he notes.
And his explanation today for what went wrong is essentially the same as it was back in April, although he offers more detail.
Starnes says he spent three months training a specific way to fight Quarry - "then when I got in there, it wasn't working."
The idea had been to circle and work off his jab. But Quarry blunted that strategy by leaning out of range of the jab and then throwing two or three heavy punches followed by a hard leg kick.
Plus Quarry was physically stronger. When the lean, six-foot-three Starnes tried to change it up in the second, Quarry stuffed a string of takedown attempts.
Unable to kick because of the broken bone in his foot, feeling the effects of a constant barrage of heavy punches and kicks, and fighting fatigue, Starnes acknowledged falling into "survival mode."
He attempted just five punches in the last two minutes, with a frustrated Quarry mocking him. "It just turned into a circus act at that point," Starnes said.
"It was a terrible performance," he added. "And at the same time I thought you know it was a bit excessive the amount of bad publicity that I got after that."
Starnes is not your ordinary fighter. The 185-pounder lists his heroes as Noam Chomsky and Bertrand Russell and talks happily of seeing Japan's cultural heritage in Kyoto during a trip to the Far East.
His website lists such favourite books as "Killing Hope: U.S. Military And CIA Interventions Since World War II" by William Blum, "Planet of Slums" by Mike Davis, "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond, The Future of Life" by Edward O. Wilson and "The New Nuclear Danger" by Helen Caldicott.
He wants to help establish a micro-credit charity, which offers small working capital loans - without interest - for worthy projects.
Starnes fights for a living, but doesn't quite understand the raw emotion his job engenders in fans.
"They're sitting in the stands, they're sitting in front of their television sets and somehow they feel like they identify with these athletes and these people, that they're personally affected by the outcome of a match. It's something that I really don't understand," he said. "I think it's tied into some kind of nationalism and irrational kind of jingoism, it's almost like they're cheering for their nation's army. They're just waving a flag, we're the best. .. it's always been to me kind of a frightening behaviour. I've always been put off by that side of an attitude, I've never understood it."
Starnes also wonders about a society where people can obsess over "what kind of hat Brad Pitt wore to the beach or something like that."
"Just the stupidest thing in the world to me and I don't understand it. ... And nobody loves it more than when you fall on your face."
Starnes can speak from experience, at least in the world of mixed martial arts.
"You should never fight again." offered one online critic. "Try a job that is better suited for you such as ballet teacher."
"You are a joke - not a fighter," adds another. "Go away and never come back."
Starnes has shown his toughness over the years, enduring a fractured fibula, broken nose, rib injury, jawbone infection, torn shoulder muscle and more than 20 stitches to close a gaping cut on his forehead after a TKO loss lost to Alan (The Talent) Belcher in October 2007 at UFC 77. There were two layers of stitches needed because the cut went to the bone.
He also sacrificed time with his family and daughter Sienna, often training down in Florida with American Top Team.
Coming back from the foot injury and the UFC 83 experience hasn't been easy, Starnes said, but in the end his love for the sport won the day.
"Some people say they measure success in how much money you make or if you're an artist, how much your paintings are worth or how much you sell. To me, if you're expressing yourself and you're doing what you love to do, you're successful.
"I feel like I'm successful whether I win or I lose and I feel like this is what I want to do. I don't have to try to make myself go and do it every day. So I feel like I really want to get back in there and I want to compete again."
He also continues to teach martial arts, asking that his e-mail (kastarnes(at)gmail.com) be included for anyone interested in learning more.
got the picks in for fantasy league, but there are a few i keep going back and forth on...stevenson vs. florian, gurgel vs. riley, bocek vs. robinson...they're all giving me fits!
UFC 91, November 15, 2008 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Main Card:
Randy Couture Vs. Brock Lesnar - couture by tko
Kenny Florian Vs. Joe Stevenson - stevenson by decision
Gabriel Gonzaga Vs. Josh Hendricks - gonzaga by submission
Demian Maia Vs. Nate Quarry - maia by submission
Tamdan McCrory Vs. Dustin Hazelett - hazelett by submission
Pre-lims:
Jorge Gurgel Vs. Aaron Riley - gurgel by submission
Jeremy Stephens Vs. Rafael dos Anjos - stephens by tko
Alvin Robinson Vs. Mark Bocek - bocek by submission
Ryan Thomas Vs. Matt Brown - brown by tko
*Amir Sadollah Vs. Nick Catone scratched. Amir Sadollah out due to illness.
hey mookie, just looking over your picks and saw that you picked Bocek over Robinson. This is a fight that i'm having a lot of trouble deciding on, i think both are great on the ground, just not sure which way it's going to go. I'm tempted to say decision, just not sure. Any reason why you went with Bocek. The only other one i'm having trouble with is Florian/Stevenson, that fight is hard as hell to pick, i think it's going to be a split decision, leaning towards florian but i'm not sure.
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
a little heads up for leafs and ceg ...and anyone alse who may happen to be in toronto on tuesday...
UFC 94 media tour with Georges St. Pierre and BJ Penn to hit Canada and Hawaii
By: MMAmania
“… Toronto and Honolulu get ready, UFC President Dana White is coming to town along with UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre and UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn to formally announce UFC 94: ST-PIERRE vs. PENN 2 – the incredible rematch that fans have been waiting for…. On Tuesday, November 18, St-Pierre, Penn and White will head to downtown Toronto for a public press conference and autograph signing at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto (formerly Paramount Theatre)…. On Friday, November 21, the trio will land on the Big Island and hit Honolulu for a public press conference and free viewing party at the Waikiki Shell.”
The public relations media blitz for UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2,” which takes place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on January 31 will kickoff next week with a pair of public press conferences for the monster Super Bowl weekend show. In Toronto, doors at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto will open at 9 a.m. ET and in Honolulu three days later doors will open at 4 p.m. local time. Fans are invited to attend at no cost and will receive free t-shirts while supplies last, as well as will be able to get some autographs. Sounds awesome.
hey mookie, just looking over your picks and saw that you picked Bocek over Robinson. This is a fight that i'm having a lot of trouble deciding on, i think both are great on the ground, just not sure which way it's going to go. I'm tempted to say decision, just not sure. Any reason why you went with Bocek. The only other one i'm having trouble with is Florian/Stevenson, that fight is hard as hell to pick, i think it's going to be a split decision, leaning towards florian but i'm not sure.
i'm having the same problems! i had bocek by decision at first, and florian by decision too. then i switched to stevenson by decision and bocek by submission.
with bocek and robinson, i was looking at the stand up first because, as you mentioned, both guys are good on the ground. robinson showed some pretty good, powerful muay thai in his fight against kenny florian before getting tko'd. bocek has shown improved striking, but i don't think he can compete with alvin there and win the fight. his chin, though, is good enough to keep him in the fight if he gets in trouble early. i have a feeling this one will come down to wrestling and bocek's ability to take robinson down. bocek's takedowns are better than robinson's takedown defense, in my opinion. when robinson has faltered, it's usually been in the first round. caught by nate diaz and dominated by gurgel in positioning until taking over the next two to win the decision handily.
so, ultimately, i thought...robinson may have a questionable start...good chance that bocek will eat a few knees or punches and get a takedown, gain good position and capitalize on an early mistake from robinson. who knows?!? i like watching both guys, so i don't want to see either lose!
as far as florian vs. stevenson goes, i keep picking against kenny and it keeps backfiring on me! i should really go with him for the decision. he's got the clear advantage standing. he could just pick joe apart with leg kicks and strikes if joe is unable to take him down or get inside and land a strong couple of punches. joe's boxing isn't bad, but kenny will have a good reach and he's a technician. on the other hand, joe is slick at changing levels, incorporating those fakes into his striking, and getting his takedowns when he does shoot. kenny has improved in that area dramatically since the sean sherk fight.
my guess is kenny either wins a decision by fending off the takedowns and keeping the distance, or joe could finish this if he gets it to the ground. maybe a kneebar or something (not that kenny's jui-jitsu isn't great too)...maybe a decision if kenny can avoid the submissions and joe relies on staying on top and punching. so many maybes!?!? i think i may have just convinced myself to go with kenny by decision again! haha
so those are my opinions on those two. i could be way off, or i could be tired and delusional...what are you thinking on those ones? the fights, i mean. haha
hmmm....:) an interesting change of mind, maybe....
Dana White now considers Gina Carano vs Cris Cyborg fight for WEC
By: MMAmania
UFC President Dana White has softened his stance significantly in the last two weeks about promoting a possible showdown between former Elite XC female superstar Gina “Conviction” Carano (7-0) and Brazilian rival Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos (6-1).
Just don’t expect it to take place in the hallowed Octagon. If it were to happen under his watch, White says, it would more than likely take place under the Zuffa-owned World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) banner.
Here’s what he said just yesterday on ESPN’s “MMA Live:”
“I wouldn’t be opposed to it. And if I did do it, it would probably be in the WEC.”
That’s clearly not an all-out guarantee. However, it is marked change in tone from just two weeks ago. Here’s what he had to say then:
“Gina Carano’s a talented fighter, she’s a star. She should’ve been the main event (on CBS’ last EliteXC broadcast). My thing with women and fighting is there isn’t enough good women to create a whole division. Could I do some one-off fights here and there? Yeah, but that’s not really what we do.”
It’s an intriguing development to say the least. Perhaps White — who has historically gone on record saying he does not personally like to see women beat each other up — is having a change of heart because the match up between Carano and Cyborg is more than likely a huge money maker.
In fact, the WEC has designs on making its pay-per-view (PPV) debut sometime in 2009. And what better way to increase interest (and PPV buys) than putting a fight together than fans are eager to see, were told they were going to see, and then had it disappear before their very eyes when Elite XC closed its doors.
Remember, too, the Carano is very close with UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture and his wife Kim, training full-time at the X-Treme Couture facility in Las Vegas, Nevada.
There is also that ugly issue with Affliction’s Todd Beard and the Couture’s, suggesting that a fight between Carano and Cyborg would now be highly unlikely under the Affliction MMA brand because of the tensions between the parties.
Therefore, White more than likely has the upper hand, as well as the financial and television resources, to ensure that this blockbuster showdown is indeed just that.
Maybe I missed it, but I thought Randy Couture was on the outs with White.
Also, call me a mark, but I'm pulling for Brock.
PBM
"We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"
hmmm....:) an interesting change of mind, maybe....
Dana White now considers Gina Carano vs Cris Cyborg fight for WEC
By: MMAmania
UFC President Dana White has softened his stance significantly in the last two weeks about promoting a possible showdown between former Elite XC female superstar Gina “Conviction” Carano (7-0) and Brazilian rival Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos (6-1).
Just don’t expect it to take place in the hallowed Octagon. If it were to happen under his watch, White says, it would more than likely take place under the Zuffa-owned World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) banner.
Here’s what he said just yesterday on ESPN’s “MMA Live:”
“I wouldn’t be opposed to it. And if I did do it, it would probably be in the WEC.”
That’s clearly not an all-out guarantee. However, it is marked change in tone from just two weeks ago. Here’s what he had to say then:
“Gina Carano’s a talented fighter, she’s a star. She should’ve been the main event (on CBS’ last EliteXC broadcast). My thing with women and fighting is there isn’t enough good women to create a whole division. Could I do some one-off fights here and there? Yeah, but that’s not really what we do.”
It’s an intriguing development to say the least. Perhaps White — who has historically gone on record saying he does not personally like to see women beat each other up — is having a change of heart because the match up between Carano and Cyborg is more than likely a huge money maker.
In fact, the WEC has designs on making its pay-per-view (PPV) debut sometime in 2009. And what better way to increase interest (and PPV buys) than putting a fight together than fans are eager to see, were told they were going to see, and then had it disappear before their very eyes when Elite XC closed its doors.
Remember, too, the Carano is very close with UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture and his wife Kim, training full-time at the X-Treme Couture facility in Las Vegas, Nevada.
There is also that ugly issue with Affliction’s Todd Beard and the Couture’s, suggesting that a fight between Carano and Cyborg would now be highly unlikely under the Affliction MMA brand because of the tensions between the parties.
Therefore, White more than likely has the upper hand, as well as the financial and television resources, to ensure that this blockbuster showdown is indeed just that.
That is great news. My friends and I started e-mailing and writing the UFc about the Carano/Santos fight and how White should at the very least give this match a shot. I would like to think that our efforts helped but I don't care if they did or didn't as long as we get to see this fight happen.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Maybe I missed it, but I thought Randy Couture was on the outs with White.
Also, call me a mark, but I'm pulling for Brock.
PBM
they settled the issues, pbm. both sides said they were tired of the courts and suddenly one day randy's return and the match vs. lesnar was announced. it was surprising.
good luck to brock. i'll be cheering for the natural, but mostly for an exciting match!
That is great news. My friends and I started e-mailing and writing the UFc about the Carano/Santos fight and how White should at the very least give this match a shot. I would like to think that our efforts helped but I don't care if they did or didn't as long as we get to see this fight happen.
right on, mammsan! that's awesome. i'm sure any positive feedback can help to get the ball rolling. i'd intended to write one when you suggested it before, but i forgot! i'll definitely have to sit down this weekend and write up a note to send off to them.
everybody made weight for the show, so it's all set for tomorrow night! randy weighed in very light at 220 and looked to be in fantastic shape as always.
also...go demian!
UFC 91, November 15, 2008 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Main Card:
Randy Couture (220) Vs. Brock Lesnar (265) - HW Championship
Kenny Florian (156) Vs. Joe Stevenson (156)
Gabriel Gonzaga (256) Vs. Josh Hendricks (238)
Demian Maia (185) Vs. Nate Quarry (185)
Tamdan McCrory (170) Vs. Dustin Hazelett (170)
Pre-lims:
Jorge Gurgel (155) Vs. Aaron Riley (156)
Jeremy Stephens (155) Vs. Rafael dos Anjos (155)
Alvin Robinson (155) Vs. Mark Bocek (155)
Ryan Thomas (170) Vs. Matt Brown (171)
ok here's my picks for the card....
like i said earlier, not really sure on the florian/stevenson match and the robinson/bocek match so i went with my gut in both.
Randy Couture v. Brock Lesnar
Winner: Brock Lesnar Unanimous Decision 5 5
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Unanimous Decision 3 5
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Arm Lock) 2 3
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Split Decision 3 5
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Technical Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Jeremy Stephens Unanimous Decision 3 5
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Submission (Choke) 2 2
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 4
edit: that's awesome news about the gina fight... that fight would look great on a wec card
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
ok here's my picks for the card....
like i said earlier, not really sure on the florian/stevenson match and the robinson/bocek match so i went with my gut in both.
Randy Couture v. Brock Lesnar
Winner: Brock Lesnar Unanimous Decision 5 5
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Unanimous Decision 3 5
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Arm Lock) 2 3
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Split Decision 3 5
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Technical Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Jeremy Stephens Unanimous Decision 3 5
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Submission (Choke) 2 2
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 4
edit: that's awesome news about the gina fight... that fight would look great on a wec card
good luck on the picks, leafs. try to take it easy on us this time! i think we picked all the same winners aside from two so i could actually be on the right track...haha
Randy Couture v. Brock Lesnar
Winner: Randy Couture Technical Knock Out 3 1
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Technical Knock Out 3 2
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Choke) 2 4
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Technical Knock Out 3 2
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Rafael dos Anjos Submission (Arm Lock) 2 1
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Technical Knock Out 2 3
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 3
Happy UFC night everyone!
I had trouble picking Florian v Stevenson and Robinson v Bocek too! Both fights could easily go either way. I ended up going with my gut on both ... we'll see how it turns out for me.
Randy Couture v. Brock Lesnar
Winner: Randy Couture Technical Knock Out 3 1
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Technical Knock Out 3 2
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Choke) 2 4
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Technical Knock Out 3 2
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Rafael dos Anjos Submission (Arm Lock) 2 1
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Technical Knock Out 2 3
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 3
Happy UFC night everyone!
I had trouble picking Florian v Stevenson and Robinson v Bocek too! Both fights could easily go either way. I ended up going with my gut on both ... we'll see how it turns out for me.
I'll be around tonight for the event.
good luck to you, releash. we're all pretty close on the picks, which should mean prizes for all of us! haha
umm when did ppv's get so expensive? I just looked and for the hd ppv its 55bux... that's crazy...
Trying to convince myself that it's worth it since it seems thats the only way i'm going to get to see the ppv tonight :(
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
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yeah, they went up 5 bones a while back, leafs. i suppose yours is more because it's HD? used to be 39.99 here for standard, then it went up to 44.99.
it may be streamed online somewhere. some of the shows from korea and japan i've watched that way, but never found a ufc that worked. sorry i'm not much help.
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also, some of the guys in the house are fucking disgusting.
Agree with you completely about tonights episode mookie, some of those goes are f*cking disgusting. Drinking piss, wtf!
And Kaplan made me laugh so hard, I can't be KO'd... Ya i wasn't out, i was knocked down but i wasn't out. YOU GOT THE KTFO MAN!!!!!! lol
Mir also made himself look like a douchbag during the whole coaches challenge. Actually he's been doing it alot this whole season.
question... is there any word on rampage or forest, haven't heard much from either in a while and i just rewatched their title fight and was wondering.
edit: guess i could just look on the 1st page of this thread to see what's up with forest lol, so any word on rampage?
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yeah, i feel bad for amir, and his opponent too after putting in the training time and thinking he would be on the main card. i feel guilty for being excited about seeing hazelett vs. mccrory!
pretty much my thoughts as well...wtf!?!?...then knocked out!
now that you mention about frank, too, he seems to be getting more arrogant as the season goes on. i don't know if that's the way they edited it for him to get worse and worse, but the comments about crushing nogueira in anything and being 200 (?) times the athlete? seemed like he was bitter about something.
oh, and forrest and rampage are both on the UFC 92 card in december. forrest is defending the belt against rashad evans and quinton is going up against wanderlei silva for the third time! no love lost in that one, those two genuinely hate each other. quinton's been training at the wolf's lair in england with michael bisping and cheick kongo, so we'll see how that works out for him.
i'm starting to get excited for saturday, leafs!
ya you might be right about the editing that is making Mir look as bad as he is.
Guess i should have looked lower to see rampage's name lol. And I can't believe i forgot he's fighting wandy. That's awesome
Ya i'm getting excited 2... I don't think the main event is going to go the same way as you lol but hopefully it's a good fight. I think it's going to be alot like the hearing fight with brock laying on randy and controlling him with his power on the ground. Don't get me wrong, i'm hoping randy KO's brock, just don't think it's going to happen.
Just noticed that the finale of the Ultimate Fighter is on the 13th of December... that sucks, i'm leaving for Cancun on the 13th. Now i have to find a sports bar to watch the fights there lol. Guess there goes my 1st night of parties lol.
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we're on top of the rumours here!
oh, that's terrible...you have to go to cancun!!!
i'm hoping for a good fight too. there are so many question marks, it could go so many ways. i think brock is going to surprise a lot of his skeptics and have a very good showing whether he wins or loses. his combination of speed, power, and athleticism make him dangerous already. it's scary to think of how difficult he will be to beat once he gets some experience under his belt and learns more about the other aspects of the sport. it's crazy to think he might still be learning while already holding the belt!!! randy was on best damn sports show tonight and expressed that being underneath brock was not a place he wanted to be...it will be a bad night for him if he does get caught and brock uses that incredible ground control to wear him down and win the fight.
The fight was definitely a disappointment. I was hoping for more out of Kingsbury. He was easily submitted by a guy who has a shitty ground game.
apparently some people got the edited version of last night's episode without the "urine shots"...count yourselves lucky! haha
UFC 94 media tour with Georges St. Pierre and BJ Penn to hit Canada and Hawaii
By: MMAmania
“… Toronto and Honolulu get ready, UFC President Dana White is coming to town along with UFC Welterweight Champion Georges St-Pierre and UFC Lightweight Champion BJ Penn to formally announce UFC 94: ST-PIERRE vs. PENN 2 – the incredible rematch that fans have been waiting for…. On Tuesday, November 18, St-Pierre, Penn and White will head to downtown Toronto for a public press conference and autograph signing at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto (formerly Paramount Theatre)…. On Friday, November 21, the trio will land on the Big Island and hit Honolulu for a public press conference and free viewing party at the Waikiki Shell.”
The public relations media blitz for UFC 94: “St. Pierre vs. Penn 2,” which takes place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, on January 31 will kickoff next week with a pair of public press conferences for the monster Super Bowl weekend show. In Toronto, doors at the Scotiabank Theatre Toronto will open at 9 a.m. ET and in Honolulu three days later doors will open at 4 p.m. local time. Fans are invited to attend at no cost and will receive free t-shirts while supplies last, as well as will be able to get some autographs. Sounds awesome.
http://mmamania.com/2008/11/14/ufc-94-media-tour-with-georges-st-pierre-and-bj-penn-to-hit-canada-and-hawaii/
Negative feedback follows fighter
Tuesday November 11th, 2008
UFC Canadian still hears plenty about loss in April at Bell Centre
by Neil Davidson
THE CANADIAN PRESS
Seven months after a bad loss to Nate Quarry at UFC 83, Canadian mixed martial arts middleweight Kalib Starnes is still receiving obscenity-laced hate mail.
Starnes has been called a disgrace, pathetic joke, bitch, gutless coward, loser, the MMA's No. 1 coward and liar - and a lot worse. While some e-mails have been positive, many have been downright hateful and vicious.
"I think the joy of finding somebody to kick when they're down really appeals to people," Starnes said in a weekend interview.
"I get maybe a couple of pieces of hate e-mail still to this day, almost every day. Nobody's ever said anything to my face or mentioned anything to me when I'm going through my daily life but I do still get a lot of negative talk, negative comments and so on from that performance."
Starnes returns to action Nov. 15 in Hawaii, where he is to take on Kala (Kalohe) Hose in the main event of a Destiny card. But rightly or wrongly, he may never escape what happened April 19 in the UFC's debut show in Canada.
Starnes (8-3-1) lost a unanimous decision to Quarry but it was the way he fought that spawned the abuse. He mounted virtually no offence and spent much of the fight backpedalling.
"I'm not sure what Kalib's strategy is here," fellow fighter Kenny Florian, who was doing the colour commentary that day, said early on.
The soldout Bell Centre crowd chanted "Boring, Boring," and cheered Quarry mimicking Starnes' running. And as they waited for the decision, they cheered Quarry when the American was shown on the big screens and booed Starnes when he came on.
"It takes two guys to fight and Nate's the only one that showed up to fight tonight for that fight," UFC president Dana White said dismissively later.
In an e-mail to reporters days after the bout, Starnes said: "There is a winner and a loser in every fight. I tried to win but on that night I couldn't do it and I lost.
"Instead of allowing me to lose with dignity, I was booed and called names and ridiculed beyond anything which seems reasonable to me. I tried to box with him and I couldn't find my range, I tried to kick-box with him and I broke my foot, I tried to take him down and grapple with him but I was unable to, I tried to work in the clinch but that didn't work either. In short, I failed. No excuses."
Starnes subsequently asked to be released from his UFC contract, which called for three fights a year. But the abuse continued via his website.
The 33-year-old from Surrey, B.C., spent the next 3 1/2 months in a cast. He had broken a metatarsal bone in his fight kicking Quarry two minutes into the second round.
Starnes admits it was a "low period."
"Honestly I was sitting around, taking online courses. I couldn't really do much, I couldn't train, couldn't teach, couldn't work.
"I put in three months of training then to have an injury and spend three and a half months recovering before I could even do anything again. So that's six months of my life gone and the guaranteed purse for that fight was about (US)$10,000. If you think $10,000 covers six months of intense high-level training and then the recovery and the beating and everything else and the ruined reputation, that (money) doesn't even come close."
Starnes has gone back and watched video of the fight a couple of times. "It wasn't that interesting," he notes.
And his explanation today for what went wrong is essentially the same as it was back in April, although he offers more detail.
Starnes says he spent three months training a specific way to fight Quarry - "then when I got in there, it wasn't working."
The idea had been to circle and work off his jab. But Quarry blunted that strategy by leaning out of range of the jab and then throwing two or three heavy punches followed by a hard leg kick.
Plus Quarry was physically stronger. When the lean, six-foot-three Starnes tried to change it up in the second, Quarry stuffed a string of takedown attempts.
Unable to kick because of the broken bone in his foot, feeling the effects of a constant barrage of heavy punches and kicks, and fighting fatigue, Starnes acknowledged falling into "survival mode."
He attempted just five punches in the last two minutes, with a frustrated Quarry mocking him. "It just turned into a circus act at that point," Starnes said.
"It was a terrible performance," he added. "And at the same time I thought you know it was a bit excessive the amount of bad publicity that I got after that."
Starnes is not your ordinary fighter. The 185-pounder lists his heroes as Noam Chomsky and Bertrand Russell and talks happily of seeing Japan's cultural heritage in Kyoto during a trip to the Far East.
His website lists such favourite books as "Killing Hope: U.S. Military And CIA Interventions Since World War II" by William Blum, "Planet of Slums" by Mike Davis, "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond, The Future of Life" by Edward O. Wilson and "The New Nuclear Danger" by Helen Caldicott.
He wants to help establish a micro-credit charity, which offers small working capital loans - without interest - for worthy projects.
Starnes fights for a living, but doesn't quite understand the raw emotion his job engenders in fans.
"They're sitting in the stands, they're sitting in front of their television sets and somehow they feel like they identify with these athletes and these people, that they're personally affected by the outcome of a match. It's something that I really don't understand," he said. "I think it's tied into some kind of nationalism and irrational kind of jingoism, it's almost like they're cheering for their nation's army. They're just waving a flag, we're the best. .. it's always been to me kind of a frightening behaviour. I've always been put off by that side of an attitude, I've never understood it."
Starnes also wonders about a society where people can obsess over "what kind of hat Brad Pitt wore to the beach or something like that."
"Just the stupidest thing in the world to me and I don't understand it. ... And nobody loves it more than when you fall on your face."
Starnes can speak from experience, at least in the world of mixed martial arts.
"You should never fight again." offered one online critic. "Try a job that is better suited for you such as ballet teacher."
"You are a joke - not a fighter," adds another. "Go away and never come back."
Starnes has shown his toughness over the years, enduring a fractured fibula, broken nose, rib injury, jawbone infection, torn shoulder muscle and more than 20 stitches to close a gaping cut on his forehead after a TKO loss lost to Alan (The Talent) Belcher in October 2007 at UFC 77. There were two layers of stitches needed because the cut went to the bone.
He also sacrificed time with his family and daughter Sienna, often training down in Florida with American Top Team.
Coming back from the foot injury and the UFC 83 experience hasn't been easy, Starnes said, but in the end his love for the sport won the day.
"Some people say they measure success in how much money you make or if you're an artist, how much your paintings are worth or how much you sell. To me, if you're expressing yourself and you're doing what you love to do, you're successful.
"I feel like I'm successful whether I win or I lose and I feel like this is what I want to do. I don't have to try to make myself go and do it every day. So I feel like I really want to get back in there and I want to compete again."
He also continues to teach martial arts, asking that his e-mail (kastarnes(at)gmail.com) be included for anyone interested in learning more.
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/sports/article/477235
hey mookie, just looking over your picks and saw that you picked Bocek over Robinson. This is a fight that i'm having a lot of trouble deciding on, i think both are great on the ground, just not sure which way it's going to go. I'm tempted to say decision, just not sure. Any reason why you went with Bocek. The only other one i'm having trouble with is Florian/Stevenson, that fight is hard as hell to pick, i think it's going to be a split decision, leaning towards florian but i'm not sure.
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sounds awesome, thanks for the heads up. I'll see if i'm awake in time to go, i work till midnight every night so it's hard to wake up that early lol
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thought i would post it just in case.
i'm having the same problems!
with bocek and robinson, i was looking at the stand up first because, as you mentioned, both guys are good on the ground. robinson showed some pretty good, powerful muay thai in his fight against kenny florian before getting tko'd. bocek has shown improved striking, but i don't think he can compete with alvin there and win the fight. his chin, though, is good enough to keep him in the fight if he gets in trouble early. i have a feeling this one will come down to wrestling and bocek's ability to take robinson down. bocek's takedowns are better than robinson's takedown defense, in my opinion. when robinson has faltered, it's usually been in the first round. caught by nate diaz and dominated by gurgel in positioning until taking over the next two to win the decision handily.
so, ultimately, i thought...robinson may have a questionable start...good chance that bocek will eat a few knees or punches and get a takedown, gain good position and capitalize on an early mistake from robinson. who knows?!?
as far as florian vs. stevenson goes, i keep picking against kenny and it keeps backfiring on me! i should really go with him for the decision. he's got the clear advantage standing. he could just pick joe apart with leg kicks and strikes if joe is unable to take him down or get inside and land a strong couple of punches. joe's boxing isn't bad, but kenny will have a good reach and he's a technician. on the other hand, joe is slick at changing levels, incorporating those fakes into his striking, and getting his takedowns when he does shoot. kenny has improved in that area dramatically since the sean sherk fight.
my guess is kenny either wins a decision by fending off the takedowns and keeping the distance, or joe could finish this if he gets it to the ground. maybe a kneebar or something (not that kenny's jui-jitsu isn't great too)...maybe a decision if kenny can avoid the submissions and joe relies on staying on top and punching. so many maybes!?!?
so those are my opinions on those two. i could be way off, or i could be tired and delusional...what are you thinking on those ones? the fights, i mean. haha
Dana White now considers Gina Carano vs Cris Cyborg fight for WEC
By: MMAmania
UFC President Dana White has softened his stance significantly in the last two weeks about promoting a possible showdown between former Elite XC female superstar Gina “Conviction” Carano (7-0) and Brazilian rival Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos (6-1).
Just don’t expect it to take place in the hallowed Octagon. If it were to happen under his watch, White says, it would more than likely take place under the Zuffa-owned World Extreme Cagefighting (WEC) banner.
Here’s what he said just yesterday on ESPN’s “MMA Live:”
“I wouldn’t be opposed to it. And if I did do it, it would probably be in the WEC.”
That’s clearly not an all-out guarantee. However, it is marked change in tone from just two weeks ago. Here’s what he had to say then:
“Gina Carano’s a talented fighter, she’s a star. She should’ve been the main event (on CBS’ last EliteXC broadcast). My thing with women and fighting is there isn’t enough good women to create a whole division. Could I do some one-off fights here and there? Yeah, but that’s not really what we do.”
It’s an intriguing development to say the least. Perhaps White — who has historically gone on record saying he does not personally like to see women beat each other up — is having a change of heart because the match up between Carano and Cyborg is more than likely a huge money maker.
In fact, the WEC has designs on making its pay-per-view (PPV) debut sometime in 2009. And what better way to increase interest (and PPV buys) than putting a fight together than fans are eager to see, were told they were going to see, and then had it disappear before their very eyes when Elite XC closed its doors.
Remember, too, the Carano is very close with UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture and his wife Kim, training full-time at the X-Treme Couture facility in Las Vegas, Nevada.
There is also that ugly issue with Affliction’s Todd Beard and the Couture’s, suggesting that a fight between Carano and Cyborg would now be highly unlikely under the Affliction MMA brand because of the tensions between the parties.
Therefore, White more than likely has the upper hand, as well as the financial and television resources, to ensure that this blockbuster showdown is indeed just that.
Cha-ching! … hopefully.
http://mmamania.com/2008/11/14/dana-white-now-considers-gina-carano-vs-cris-cyborg-fight-for-wec/
Also, call me a mark, but I'm pulling for Brock.
PBM
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That is great news. My friends and I started e-mailing and writing the UFc about the Carano/Santos fight and how White should at the very least give this match a shot. I would like to think that our efforts helped but I don't care if they did or didn't as long as we get to see this fight happen.
they settled the issues, pbm. both sides said they were tired of the courts and suddenly one day randy's return and the match vs. lesnar was announced. it was surprising.
good luck to brock.
right on, mammsan! that's awesome. i'm sure any positive feedback can help to get the ball rolling. i'd intended to write one when you suggested it before, but i forgot! i'll definitely have to sit down this weekend and write up a note to send off to them.
also...go demian!
UFC 91, November 15, 2008 - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - PPV
Main Card:
Randy Couture (220) Vs. Brock Lesnar (265) - HW Championship
Kenny Florian (156) Vs. Joe Stevenson (156)
Gabriel Gonzaga (256) Vs. Josh Hendricks (238)
Demian Maia (185) Vs. Nate Quarry (185)
Tamdan McCrory (170) Vs. Dustin Hazelett (170)
Pre-lims:
Jorge Gurgel (155) Vs. Aaron Riley (156)
Jeremy Stephens (155) Vs. Rafael dos Anjos (155)
Alvin Robinson (155) Vs. Mark Bocek (155)
Ryan Thomas (170) Vs. Matt Brown (171)
p.s. demian!
like i said earlier, not really sure on the florian/stevenson match and the robinson/bocek match so i went with my gut in both.
Randy Couture v. Brock Lesnar
Winner: Brock Lesnar Unanimous Decision 5 5
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Unanimous Decision 3 5
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Arm Lock) 2 3
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Split Decision 3 5
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Technical Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Jeremy Stephens Unanimous Decision 3 5
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Submission (Choke) 2 2
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 4
edit: that's awesome news about the gina fight... that fight would look great on a wec card
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good luck on the picks, leafs. try to take it easy on us this time!
+1 on the gina vs. cristiane match!
Winner: Randy Couture Technical Knock Out 3 1
Alvin Robinson v. Mark Bocek
Winner: Alvin Robinson Technical Knock Out 3 2
Dustin Hazelett v. Tamdan McCrory
Winner: Dustin Hazelett Submission (Choke) 2 4
Kenny Florian v. Joe Stevenson
Winner: Kenny Florian Technical Knock Out 3 2
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Josh Hendricks
Winner: Gabriel Gonzaga Knock Out 1 3
Jeremy Stephens v. Rafael dos Anjos
Winner: Rafael dos Anjos Submission (Arm Lock) 2 1
Jorge Gurgel v. Aaron Riley
Winner: Jorge Gurgel Unanimous Decision 3 5
Nate Quarry v. Demian Maia
Winner: Demian Maia Technical Knock Out 2 3
Matt Brown v. Ryan Thomas
Winner: Matt Brown Technical Knock Out 1 3
Happy UFC night everyone!
I had trouble picking Florian v Stevenson and Robinson v Bocek too! Both fights could easily go either way. I ended up going with my gut on both ... we'll see how it turns out for me.
I'll be around tonight for the event.
good luck to you, releash.
i shall be around also. go maia!
Trying to convince myself that it's worth it since it seems thats the only way i'm going to get to see the ppv tonight :(
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
it may be streamed online somewhere. some of the shows from korea and japan i've watched that way, but never found a ufc that worked. sorry i'm not much help.
we should have all just gone to vegas!
o well guess i'm going to dish out the cash since the sat is down. probably be back up tomorrow but i prefer to watch the ppv live
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...and damn, that would be a good time tonight. all of us watching the ppv together and having a few pops.
http://sherdog.com/news/articles/pros-picks-couture-vs-lesnar-15167
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