another golfer???? what'd ya shoot? I was a little off yesterday and landed up with a 91, still a decent score for me. Par'd the 1st and last hole and had an eagle chance on the 8th hole, but 2 putted. got the birdie atleast : )
hey leafs!! i would be very happy with a 91! if i'm playing my own ball, i'm well over 100+... but the tournament on Saturday was a scramble, so i didn't have to play my own ball. My game was kind of bizzaro. My drives, which are normally really good, were crap. But my short game was much better than usual... i sunk a really nice putt to get a birdie for my team. :cool: overall, our team ended up -1.
where were you golfing on the weekend? we were out at Carlisle, north of Burlington.
lol! i should mention... in order to pick door prizes at the end of the tournament, everyone is issued a hockey card, and the player names are called out randomly. my card was a 1991 Wendel Clark card! pretty sweet.
ps. GSP! <-- just to stay on topic.
~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
If not, then I hope so ... I can't afford the plane to Halifax, nor am I at all qualified to extract teeth.
Feel better soon dude!!
thanks for the offer, releash. i'll take anyone with a pair of needle nose plyers at this point. i went ot the doctor when it initially broke two years ago and there's nothing they could do (in terms of social assistance paying for the repair...as i have no dental insurance) on the train ride home from our weekend in montreal it actually cracked more, and pretty much in half. so i went to the doctor then and eventually i was able to get the red tape through the doctor and social assistance to get it extracted so i wouldn't have to pay.
that meant a referral to oral surgery on june 9th for a consult! :eek: only a consult! so i have called them every couple of days trying to get them to move my date up, but the woman handling my booking only felt it was necessary to call me back once and send me a letter with the dates and times of my consult highlighted in pink. everyone i've spoken to on the phone has been nice and said every time..."it sounds bad. i'm sure she'll move your date up for you." , but no luck.
anyway, i'm sour. if it was a broken bone, i could get it looked at right away, but because it's a tooth i have to suffer with it broken for two years until it can be declared an emergency...i wish i did have a friend who was a dentist! then again, i probably would have strangled that friend for being in dentistry by this point!
the MMA shows are the only thing getting me through. watching them over and over reminds me that i'm probably not in as much pain...:D
also, thanks for the heads up about WEC this sunday found it on 204 on rogers
looks like hermes franca is back to face edgar, leafs. sherk vs. edgar would have been good like we were saying, but...welcome back hermes!
Report: Hermes Franca likely to return in August
MMAjunkie.com
Jun 02, 2008
Former UFC lightweight contender Hermes Franca (18-6 mma, 5-3 UFC) has agreed to return from his 12-month suspension for a failed drug test in August at UFC 87, where he's expected to meet Frankie Edgar (8-1 MMA, 3-1 UFC).
Our friend Mike Chiappetta from NBCSports.com reports that a source close to the event has confirmed both fighters accepted the bout.
UFC 87 takes place Aug. 9 at the Target Center in Minneapolis.
After closing out the 2005 fight season with three consecutive losses, Franca was one of the feel-good stories of 2006. He won eight consecutive fights -- all via stoppage -- and earned an invitation back into the UFC. The performance earned him a title shot against then-champ Sean Sherk at UFC 73.
Like Sherk, though, Franca failed a drug test administered by the California State Athletic Commission after his failed bid at the title. Unlike Sherk, Franca admitted using the steroid drostanolone. Despite coming clean, the CSAC upheld his fine and full one-year suspension.
Franca is eligible return from the suspension on July 7.
As MMAjunkie.com reported last week, Edgar recently confirmed his involvement with UFC 87, which features a main event between UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and top contender Jon Fitch. His opponent wasn't known at the time.
some interesting follow up after the elite xc show on the weekend. personally, i didn't think there was any controversy about the young vs. carano stoppage, but i guess many people thought it should have continued. i agreed that the smith stoppage was ridiculous the way it was handled with the five minutes to recover confusion...it sounds like his vision took some time to come back, but he still should have had the five minutes...anyway, moot point i guess, as it sounds like he wouldn't have been able to continue.
5 Oz. Exclusive: Dr. Sherry Wulkan comments on Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith stoppages
June 02, 2008
by Sam Caplan
After reading our interview with New Jersey Athletic Control Board legal counsel Nick Lembo, Dr. Sherry Wulkan contacted the NJACB with additional comments via e-mail. The NJACB forwarded that e-mail to us with permission to publish it.
I am making that e-mail available here, but I wanted to add that 5 Oz. of Pain contacted both Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith to get their sides of the story. Young declined to comment on the record at this time while Smith was unavailable for comment.
Here is Wulkan’s e-mail:
“When we saw Kaitlin in the cage, we were concerned about an orbital fracture. Both she and her corner were grateful that the fight was stopped and actually thanked us for stopping the fight. When she first returned to the dressing room, she said she wasn’t sure why the fight was stopped, but after looking in the mirror, she was glad we did. That is almost a quote verbatim. She said she was overwhelmed and that Carano definitely got the better of her on this occasion. I don’t read the blogs [Editor’s Note: Dr. Wulkan is referring to an alleged post by Kaitlin Young on FighterGirls.com, however, the post has yet to be verified as actually being authored by Young herself], but perhaps she was not well reviewed and this prompted the response you forwarded.
“We did not stop the fight because it looked ugly or because she was a woman, but because she had taken some major abuse, and because we were afraid she had a fracture. The risks of orbital fractures are well known to ringside physicians.
“Her response seems more like a vendetta for not being invited to the interviews . It’s a shame, because she presented herself very professionally both before and after the fight on fight night.
“As a follow up, Drago [editor’s note: Pete Sell] told me that Smith said he still was seeing double and triple 15-20 minutes after returning to the locker room. His corner was grateful we made the call we did. I want to know who told the press we didn’t pick up the foot injury at the time it happened. That’s just not precise reporting. I’m glad you cleared that up. I think it’s amazing that Smith himself, although initially disappointed, currently has no problem with the decision; he knows we’re professional and we have both their short term and long term interests at heart. At no time did we hear a complaint from Smith’s corner, so why are the blogs so insistent that an injustice was served? Besides, the rematch will prove to be a war, especially with two healthy fighters.”
just found this great shot from the opposite angle when gina attempted the gogoplata after kaitlin took her down. if i'd seen this angle on television, i would have been going silly! anyway, you can see in the photo that kaitlin's left arm isn't straight and to the mat like it should be to truly secure the submission. it was still a tough spot and the shin was across the throat, so kudos to kaitlin for escaping.
lots of other really good photos in the photo album for this fight here too, but this is the gogoplata attempt...
just found this great shot from the opposite angle when gina attempted the gogoplata after kaitlin took her down. if i'd seen this angle on television, i would have been going silly! anyway, you can see in the photo that kaitlin's left arm isn't straight and to the mat like it should be to truly secure the submission. it was still a tough spot and the shin was across the throat, so kudos to kaitlin for escaping.
lots of other really good photos in the photo album for this fight here too, but this is the gogoplata attempt...
That's a great shot. That was such a good match, along with the lawler/smith match. What a fucking joke the Kimbo/Thompson match was. Every single step forward that the UFC has made to bring MMA into the spot light as a legitimate sport was set back by Elite XC and the Kimbo match.
This weekend should be 10x better with the Hughes/Alves fight.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Tito Ortiz
Tuesday, June 3rd - 6:00pm
Mixed Martial Artist and former UFC Champion Tito Ortiz will be at Bookends on June 3rd at 6pm to sign: This Is Going To Hurt!
I'm leaving in a few hours to go see the Huntington Beach Badboy, I'm pumped. I think I'm gonna ask him who will beat Machida? I also wanna ask what organization he is going to.
Here is me and my new best friend Tito Ortiz at "Bookends" in Ridgewood, NJ.
I was the fourth person in line- got right in quick to chat with the former UFC Champ. He told me he will be fighting again in October, but couldn't say where yet. Keep your eyes and ears open for his return.
PS- Got his auto on his new book as well as on a Punishment Athletics shirt. Nice!
Here are a few photos of me and Tito. Hope the link works.
thanks, leafs. still up...considering calling emergency to get this thing taken out. seriously though, my jaw is starting to get stiff and my ear is starting to get very painful too. driving me crazy! :mad:
...to calm down though, i just saw this post-fight press conference clip of gina from last night. it sounds like a "letting the pressure go" moment as she re-iterates her passion for the sport and why she loves it. no doubt it was a relief for her after all the negativity this last while leading up to the fight. she seemed pretty emotional, and praised kaitlin as well...
hey leafs!! i would be very happy with a 91! if i'm playing my own ball, i'm well over 100+... but the tournament on Saturday was a scramble, so i didn't have to play my own ball. My game was kind of bizzaro. My drives, which are normally really good, were crap. But my short game was much better than usual... i sunk a really nice putt to get a birdie for my team. :cool: overall, our team ended up -1.
where were you golfing on the weekend? we were out at Carlisle, north of Burlington.
lol! i should mention... in order to pick door prizes at the end of the tournament, everyone is issued a hockey card, and the player names are called out randomly. my card was a 1991 Wendel Clark card! pretty sweet.
ps. GSP! <-- just to stay on topic.
i love scramble tourny's... always makes you feel better about your game when you get into the -'s lol... congrats on the birdie for the team and the -1 score.
I was up at mill run, it's further northeast from burlington, up in uxbridge. I'm further north, so i usually play courses around here.
oh, and i would have kept the card lol, Clark is my favourite leaf ever. He led the team for my childhood pretty much, actually, i think 91 was the year he became captain wasn't it?
oh and ya GSP!!!!
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
looks like hermes franca is back to face edgar, leafs. sherk vs. edgar would have been good like we were saying, but...welcome back hermes!
Report: Hermes Franca likely to return in August
MMAjunkie.com
Jun 02, 2008
Former UFC lightweight contender Hermes Franca (18-6 mma, 5-3 UFC) has agreed to return from his 12-month suspension for a failed drug test in August at UFC 87, where he's expected to meet Frankie Edgar (8-1 MMA, 3-1 UFC).
Our friend Mike Chiappetta from NBCSports.com reports that a source close to the event has confirmed both fighters accepted the bout.
UFC 87 takes place Aug. 9 at the Target Center in Minneapolis.
After closing out the 2005 fight season with three consecutive losses, Franca was one of the feel-good stories of 2006. He won eight consecutive fights -- all via stoppage -- and earned an invitation back into the UFC. The performance earned him a title shot against then-champ Sean Sherk at UFC 73.
Like Sherk, though, Franca failed a drug test administered by the California State Athletic Commission after his failed bid at the title. Unlike Sherk, Franca admitted using the steroid drostanolone. Despite coming clean, the CSAC upheld his fine and full one-year suspension.
Franca is eligible return from the suspension on July 7.
As MMAjunkie.com reported last week, Edgar recently confirmed his involvement with UFC 87, which features a main event between UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and top contender Jon Fitch. His opponent wasn't known at the time.
That's a great shot. That was such a good match, along with the lawler/smith match. What a fucking joke the Kimbo/Thompson match was. Every single step forward that the UFC has made to bring MMA into the spot light as a legitimate sport was set back by Elite XC and the Kimbo match.
This weekend should be 10x better with the Hughes/Alves fight.
that is a great shot, thanks for posting mookie, i didn't even realize it was that close.
I agree that the Kimbo/Thompson match was a joke but it did expose Kimbo and i'm happy about that. I don't think the show set back mma, there were some good fights on the card, and a couple great fights on the card. The stoppages were not that good, but every causual fan that i talk to thought it was a good night of fights so i think they succeeded to a degree. Could it have been better? definatly, hell the next night there was a better card on. But did it set them back, i don't think so.
I agree, this weekend will be alot better
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
Here is me and my new best friend Tito Ortiz at "Bookends" in Ridgewood, NJ.
I was the fourth person in line- got right in quick to chat with the former UFC Champ. He told me he will be fighting again in October, but couldn't say where yet. Keep your eyes and ears open for his return.
PS- Got his auto on his new book as well as on a Punishment Athletics shirt. Nice!
Here are a few photos of me and Tito. Hope the link works.
that's awsome dude, good pic 2. Glad to hear he'll be fighting again in October but wish he would get back in there a bit earlier. Did you ask who he thinks will beat machida???
Also, have you read his book yet? What did you think? I haven't read it yet, but was thinking of picking up that or chuck's...
"I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
that is a great shot, thanks for posting mookie, i didn't even realize it was that close.
I agree that the Kimbo/Thompson match was a joke but it did expose Kimbo and i'm happy about that. I don't think the show set back mma, there were some good fights on the card, and a couple great fights on the card. The stoppages were not that good, but every causual fan that i talk to thought it was a good night of fights so i think they succeeded to a degree. Could it have been better? definatly, hell the next night there was a better card on. But did it set them back, i don't think so.
I agree, this weekend will be alot better
You are probably right that it didn't hurt the sport and it probably did bring in some more casual fans. I'm just not a huge fan of Kimbo and the way EliteXC is hyping him up.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
that's awsome dude, good pic 2. Glad to hear he'll be fighting again in October but wish he would get back in there a bit earlier. Did you ask who he thinks will beat machida???
Also, have you read his book yet? What did you think? I haven't read it yet, but was thinking of picking up that or chuck's...
I said Tito who will beat Machida's ass. He smiled and said whoever can catch him, since all he does is run!! I told him I was going nuts when he applied the triangle and he said thanks for the suport. It turned out to be a great day, nice people in line and I got to meet my favorite fighter.
I said Tito who will beat Machida's ass. He smiled and said whoever can catch him, since all he does is run!! I told him I was going nuts when he applied the triangle and he said thanks for the suport. It turned out to be a great day, nice people in line and I got to meet my favorite fighter.
sounds exciting LBC!!! great pictures too!
Mookie, ReleasH and I had so much fun meeting the fighters in Montreal! We were laughing about how we are now officially "super-fans" of all the guys we met!
(i disagree about Machida's so-called running though! ) hehehe...
~~*~~ ...i surfaced and all of my being was enlightend... ~~*~~
Here is me and my new best friend Tito Ortiz at "Bookends" in Ridgewood, NJ.
I was the fourth person in line- got right in quick to chat with the former UFC Champ. He told me he will be fighting again in October, but couldn't say where yet. Keep your eyes and ears open for his return.
PS- Got his auto on his new book as well as on a Punishment Athletics shirt. Nice!
Here are a few photos of me and Tito. Hope the link works.
i leave the thread for a day or so and come back to find you suddenly met tito ortz! :eek: that's awesome, lbc! complete with punishment athletics gear on, eh?!
man, that must have been amazing to meet a guy you've been a fan of for a long time. the link definitely works, and thanks for sharing your pics with us. baddass, my friend!
i was reading today that donlad trump is partnering up with affliction somehow and that there are rumours tito may be involved with them, in part, because of that. we'll have to keep our eyes and ears open, i guess.
for now, i'm sure a meeting like that will tide you over until he gets back in to fight. very happy for you, lbc.
That's a great shot. That was such a good match, along with the lawler/smith match. What a fucking joke the Kimbo/Thompson match was. Every single step forward that the UFC has made to bring MMA into the spot light as a legitimate sport was set back by Elite XC and the Kimbo match.
This weekend should be 10x better with the Hughes/Alves fight.
they really got some great pictures from the event in their slideshow. both good fights had some good captures. i wish the tv broadcast had those angles!
i'm hoping the two awesome matches from the show will be what people remember...haha
starting to get excited for this weekend, as i'm an alves fan and am anxious to see how he does against matt hughes.
that sucks man, hope you get it all fixed up soon. My sister works at a dentist office, she could get you in if you come up to newmarket
watched the interview and i can't believe gina was that good on only 3 weeks of training. definatly a "letting the pressure go" moment for her
damn, i wish i was closer to "upper canada"...i could get fixed up, meet up with you and ceg for the show this weekend! for now, sorry again about complaining!
i'm ok with this... seems like another great fight added to a fully stacked card. I'm pretty sure i'll be picking Edgar though
we shall be at odds, my friend. i'm biased for hermes. i think edgar will get some easy takedown here, though. hermes doesn't have the best takedown defense, but he does time an excellent knee on wrestlers when they shoot. you're right, another great fight on a great card, in any case.
that is a great shot, thanks for posting mookie, i didn't even realize it was that close.
I agree that the Kimbo/Thompson match was a joke but it did expose Kimbo and i'm happy about that. I don't think the show set back mma, there were some good fights on the card, and a couple great fights on the card. The stoppages were not that good, but every causual fan that i talk to thought it was a good night of fights so i think they succeeded to a degree. Could it have been better? definatly, hell the next night there was a better card on. But did it set them back, i don't think so.
I agree, this weekend will be alot better
good post. i can see what you are saying, mammasan, but i think you said it well here, leafs.
i've been watching the elite xc shows since the beginning (not long ago..haha...and i think we have been commenting on the last couple here in the thread, too...) and there are almost always two really good fights on each card, a couple of matches that could be "thrown away" and a contorversial finish or stoppage! it's weird...
in their very first show, frank shamrock vs. renzo gracie - frank threw at least two illegal knees to the back of renzo's neck and the fight had to be stopped when renzo couldn't contintue. gina carano vs. julie kedzie saved that show, as the only other highlight was antonio silva catching cabbage with a flying knee (a super HW throwing a flying knee!)
nick diaz vs. mike aina - the judges gave it to nick in what most people thought was a fight aina won. it was a good match, though, and robbie lawler vs. ninja probably stole that show.
nick diaz vs. kj noons and kimbo slice vs. bo cantrell - people thought cantrell took a dive (it was pretty clear he was just there to collect a cheque), and noons won by doctor stoppage when he opened up a huge cut on diaz that had still not healed proerly after the gomi and aina fights. noons was "overly zealous" in his celebration and diaz stormed out of the arena, flipping off whoever was in his way. jake shileds vs. mike pyle, and kyle noke were the only highlights here.
there are quite a few good matches from other shows too, involving people like yves edwards, shayna baszler (pretty much any match with yves or shayna in it has the chance to be exciting!), joey villasenor, etc....and that frank shamrock vs. cung le match they co-promoted with strikeforce was outstanding.
anyway, just trying to say, i guess, that one of elite xc's major problems is that they only have a couple of really talented mixed martial artists in each division and then there are others they bring in for good matches sometimes. they try to market some of their low level fighters (like a kimbo slice or brett rogers) as top teir, when they really aren't close. anotonio silva is their only relevant HW, and i don't even think they mentioned him on the cbs show!
they chose to put together a card of mostly fighters who would keep the matches standing. i'm hoping for the next one, they will put a little more variety into it. as you said, casual fans or new fans seemed to be entertained by the show, so if the catch 22 is kimbo as a headliner, then it's not so bad if other, more talented and experienced fighters are getting exposure too. as long as the arena audience doesn't have the balls to boo a match like lawler vs. smith again. that was perplexing?!
i can't believe i keep forgetting joey getting the tko on phil baroni...:)...maybe it just feels like a happy place for me...:D
edit: i'll shut up now...and start spell checking my posts before i hit submit. i think i have had to edit almost every post!
Mookie, ReleasH and I had so much fun meeting the fighters in Montreal! We were laughing about how we are now officially "super-fans" of all the guys we met!
(i disagree about Machida's so-called running though! ) hehehe...
i will always pick jorge gurgel and matt hamill to win from now on!
Mookie, ReleasH and I had so much fun meeting the fighters in Montreal! We were laughing about how we are now officially "super-fans" of all the guys we met!
(i disagree about Machida's so-called running though! ) hehehe...
That must have been cool , which fighters did you guys get to meet??
i leave the thread for a day or so and come back to find you suddenly met tito ortz! :eek: that's awesome, lbc! complete with punishment athletics gear on, eh?!
man, that must have been amazing to meet a guy you've been a fan of for a long time. the link definitely works, and thanks for sharing your pics with us. baddass, my friend!
i was reading today that donlad trump is partnering up with affliction somehow and that there are rumours tito may be involved with them, in part, because of that. we'll have to keep our eyes and ears open, i guess.
for now, i'm sure a meeting like that will tide you over until he gets back in to fight. very happy for you, lbc.
Hey Mook, Yeah I was pumped the rest of the day after meeting him. I didn't hear the Donlad Trump thing , but he did say something about supposedly making his own fighting organization. If he went to Affliction that would be cool.
Hey Mook, Yeah I was pumped the rest of the day after meeting him. I didn't hear the Donlad Trump thing , but he did say something about supposedly making his own fighting organization. If he went to Affliction that would be cool.
i'm sure you were pumped! that's exciting!
oh yeah, that's right too about tito's thing. i forgot. i think affliction has said they'll be doing cross-promotion, so maybe tito's new organization will be setting up a deal there...?...i don't know, i speculate! haha
great first fight on the ultimate fighter tonight! it didn't last long, but there were tons of scrambles and dan cramer was throwing lots of punches on the feet, even doing well on the ground against tim until he got caught in that heel hook. i was wanting to see more! wish it would have lasted longer.
my cable konked out for the first minute of the second match, but it looked like a pretty dominating win for cb. he gets the tko on cale in the first and moves on to the semi's.
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i wish i could get this thing out myself, but i can't get a grip on it!
hey leafs!! i would be very happy with a 91!
where were you golfing on the weekend? we were out at Carlisle, north of Burlington.
lol! i should mention... in order to pick door prizes at the end of the tournament, everyone is issued a hockey card, and the player names are called out randomly. my card was a 1991 Wendel Clark card! pretty sweet.
ps. GSP! <-- just to stay on topic.
:( :( :(
i'm sorry mookie.... submission by toothache is not fun.
*hugs, hugs, hugs* and pain relieving vibes your way...........
hey ceg, thanks so much.
Have you gone to the doctor yet, Mookie?
If not, then I hope so ... I can't afford the plane to Halifax, nor am I at all qualified to extract teeth.
Feel better soon dude!!
thanks for the offer, releash. i'll take anyone with a pair of needle nose plyers at this point. i went ot the doctor when it initially broke two years ago and there's nothing they could do (in terms of social assistance paying for the repair...as i have no dental insurance) on the train ride home from our weekend in montreal it actually cracked more, and pretty much in half.
that meant a referral to oral surgery on june 9th for a consult! :eek: only a consult! so i have called them every couple of days trying to get them to move my date up, but the woman handling my booking only felt it was necessary to call me back once and send me a letter with the dates and times of my consult highlighted in pink. everyone i've spoken to on the phone has been nice and said every time..."it sounds bad. i'm sure she'll move your date up for you." , but no luck.
anyway, i'm sour. if it was a broken bone, i could get it looked at right away, but because it's a tooth i have to suffer with it broken for two years until it can be declared an emergency...i wish i did have a friend who was a dentist! then again, i probably would have strangled that friend for being in dentistry by this point!
the MMA shows are the only thing getting me through. watching them over and over reminds me that i'm probably not in as much pain...:D
looks like hermes franca is back to face edgar, leafs. sherk vs. edgar would have been good like we were saying, but...welcome back hermes!
Report: Hermes Franca likely to return in August
MMAjunkie.com
Jun 02, 2008
Former UFC lightweight contender Hermes Franca (18-6 mma, 5-3 UFC) has agreed to return from his 12-month suspension for a failed drug test in August at UFC 87, where he's expected to meet Frankie Edgar (8-1 MMA, 3-1 UFC).
Our friend Mike Chiappetta from NBCSports.com reports that a source close to the event has confirmed both fighters accepted the bout.
UFC 87 takes place Aug. 9 at the Target Center in Minneapolis.
After closing out the 2005 fight season with three consecutive losses, Franca was one of the feel-good stories of 2006. He won eight consecutive fights -- all via stoppage -- and earned an invitation back into the UFC. The performance earned him a title shot against then-champ Sean Sherk at UFC 73.
Like Sherk, though, Franca failed a drug test administered by the California State Athletic Commission after his failed bid at the title. Unlike Sherk, Franca admitted using the steroid drostanolone. Despite coming clean, the CSAC upheld his fine and full one-year suspension.
Franca is eligible return from the suspension on July 7.
As MMAjunkie.com reported last week, Edgar recently confirmed his involvement with UFC 87, which features a main event between UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and top contender Jon Fitch. His opponent wasn't known at the time.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/4481/report-hermes-franca-likely-to-return-in-august.mma
5 Oz. Exclusive: Dr. Sherry Wulkan comments on Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith stoppages
June 02, 2008
by Sam Caplan
After reading our interview with New Jersey Athletic Control Board legal counsel Nick Lembo, Dr. Sherry Wulkan contacted the NJACB with additional comments via e-mail. The NJACB forwarded that e-mail to us with permission to publish it.
I am making that e-mail available here, but I wanted to add that 5 Oz. of Pain contacted both Kaitlin Young and Scott Smith to get their sides of the story. Young declined to comment on the record at this time while Smith was unavailable for comment.
Here is Wulkan’s e-mail:
“When we saw Kaitlin in the cage, we were concerned about an orbital fracture. Both she and her corner were grateful that the fight was stopped and actually thanked us for stopping the fight. When she first returned to the dressing room, she said she wasn’t sure why the fight was stopped, but after looking in the mirror, she was glad we did. That is almost a quote verbatim. She said she was overwhelmed and that Carano definitely got the better of her on this occasion. I don’t read the blogs [Editor’s Note: Dr. Wulkan is referring to an alleged post by Kaitlin Young on FighterGirls.com, however, the post has yet to be verified as actually being authored by Young herself], but perhaps she was not well reviewed and this prompted the response you forwarded.
“We did not stop the fight because it looked ugly or because she was a woman, but because she had taken some major abuse, and because we were afraid she had a fracture. The risks of orbital fractures are well known to ringside physicians.
“Her response seems more like a vendetta for not being invited to the interviews . It’s a shame, because she presented herself very professionally both before and after the fight on fight night.
“As a follow up, Drago [editor’s note: Pete Sell] told me that Smith said he still was seeing double and triple 15-20 minutes after returning to the locker room. His corner was grateful we made the call we did. I want to know who told the press we didn’t pick up the foot injury at the time it happened. That’s just not precise reporting. I’m glad you cleared that up. I think it’s amazing that Smith himself, although initially disappointed, currently has no problem with the decision; he knows we’re professional and we have both their short term and long term interests at heart. At no time did we hear a complaint from Smith’s corner, so why are the blogs so insistent that an injustice was served? Besides, the rematch will prove to be a war, especially with two healthy fighters.”
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/06/02/5-oz-exclusive-dr-sherry-wulkan-comments-on-kaitlin-young-and-scott-smith-stoppage/#more-3417
lots of other really good photos in the photo album for this fight here too, but this is the gogoplata attempt...
http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/view_image.php?id=35587
That's a great shot. That was such a good match, along with the lawler/smith match. What a fucking joke the Kimbo/Thompson match was. Every single step forward that the UFC has made to bring MMA into the spot light as a legitimate sport was set back by Elite XC and the Kimbo match.
This weekend should be 10x better with the Hughes/Alves fight.
Tuesday, June 3rd - 6:00pm
Mixed Martial Artist and former UFC Champion Tito Ortiz will be at Bookends on June 3rd at 6pm to sign: This Is Going To Hurt!
I'm leaving in a few hours to go see the Huntington Beach Badboy, I'm pumped. I think I'm gonna ask him who will beat Machida? I also wanna ask what organization he is going to.
I was the fourth person in line- got right in quick to chat with the former UFC Champ. He told me he will be fighting again in October, but couldn't say where yet. Keep your eyes and ears open for his return.
PS- Got his auto on his new book as well as on a Punishment Athletics shirt. Nice!
Here are a few photos of me and Tito. Hope the link works.
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=2EbtGbJu4YsPO
that sucks man, hope you get it all fixed up soon. My sister works at a dentist office, she could get you in if you come up to newmarket
watched the interview and i can't believe gina was that good on only 3 weeks of training. definatly a "letting the pressure go" moment for her
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
i love scramble tourny's... always makes you feel better about your game when you get into the -'s lol... congrats on the birdie for the team and the -1 score.
I was up at mill run, it's further northeast from burlington, up in uxbridge. I'm further north, so i usually play courses around here.
oh, and i would have kept the card lol, Clark is my favourite leaf ever. He led the team for my childhood pretty much, actually, i think 91 was the year he became captain wasn't it?
oh and ya GSP!!!!
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
i'm ok with this... seems like another great fight added to a fully stacked card. I'm pretty sure i'll be picking Edgar though
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
that is a great shot, thanks for posting mookie, i didn't even realize it was that close.
I agree that the Kimbo/Thompson match was a joke but it did expose Kimbo and i'm happy about that. I don't think the show set back mma, there were some good fights on the card, and a couple great fights on the card. The stoppages were not that good, but every causual fan that i talk to thought it was a good night of fights so i think they succeeded to a degree. Could it have been better? definatly, hell the next night there was a better card on. But did it set them back, i don't think so.
I agree, this weekend will be alot better
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
that's awsome dude, good pic 2. Glad to hear he'll be fighting again in October but wish he would get back in there a bit earlier. Did you ask who he thinks will beat machida???
Also, have you read his book yet? What did you think? I haven't read it yet, but was thinking of picking up that or chuck's...
09/19/05, 05/09/06, 05/10/06
You are probably right that it didn't hurt the sport and it probably did bring in some more casual fans. I'm just not a huge fan of Kimbo and the way EliteXC is hyping him up.
I said Tito who will beat Machida's ass. He smiled and said whoever can catch him, since all he does is run!! I told him I was going nuts when he applied the triangle and he said thanks for the suport. It turned out to be a great day, nice people in line and I got to meet my favorite fighter.
sounds exciting LBC!!!
Mookie, ReleasH and I had so much fun meeting the fighters in Montreal! We were laughing about how we are now officially "super-fans" of all the guys we met!
(i disagree about Machida's so-called running though!
i leave the thread for a day or so and come back to find you suddenly met tito ortz! :eek: that's awesome, lbc!
man, that must have been amazing to meet a guy you've been a fan of for a long time. the link definitely works, and thanks for sharing your pics with us. baddass, my friend!
i was reading today that donlad trump is partnering up with affliction somehow and that there are rumours tito may be involved with them, in part, because of that. we'll have to keep our eyes and ears open, i guess.
for now, i'm sure a meeting like that will tide you over until he gets back in to fight. very happy for you, lbc.
they really got some great pictures from the event in their slideshow. both good fights had some good captures. i wish the tv broadcast had those angles!
i'm hoping the two awesome matches from the show will be what people remember...haha
starting to get excited for this weekend, as i'm an alves fan and am anxious to see how he does against matt hughes.
damn, i wish i was closer to "upper canada"...i could get fixed up, meet up with you and ceg for the show this weekend!
we shall be at odds, my friend.
good post. i can see what you are saying, mammasan, but i think you said it well here, leafs.
i've been watching the elite xc shows since the beginning (not long ago..haha...and i think we have been commenting on the last couple here in the thread, too...) and there are almost always two really good fights on each card, a couple of matches that could be "thrown away" and a contorversial finish or stoppage! it's weird...
in their very first show, frank shamrock vs. renzo gracie - frank threw at least two illegal knees to the back of renzo's neck and the fight had to be stopped when renzo couldn't contintue. gina carano vs. julie kedzie saved that show, as the only other highlight was antonio silva catching cabbage with a flying knee (a super HW throwing a flying knee!)
nick diaz vs. mike aina - the judges gave it to nick in what most people thought was a fight aina won. it was a good match, though, and robbie lawler vs. ninja probably stole that show.
nick diaz vs. kj noons and kimbo slice vs. bo cantrell - people thought cantrell took a dive (it was pretty clear he was just there to collect a cheque), and noons won by doctor stoppage when he opened up a huge cut on diaz that had still not healed proerly after the gomi and aina fights. noons was "overly zealous" in his celebration and diaz stormed out of the arena, flipping off whoever was in his way. jake shileds vs. mike pyle, and kyle noke were the only highlights here.
there are quite a few good matches from other shows too, involving people like yves edwards, shayna baszler (pretty much any match with yves or shayna in it has the chance to be exciting!), joey villasenor, etc....and that frank shamrock vs. cung le match they co-promoted with strikeforce was outstanding.
anyway, just trying to say, i guess, that one of elite xc's major problems is that they only have a couple of really talented mixed martial artists in each division and then there are others they bring in for good matches sometimes. they try to market some of their low level fighters (like a kimbo slice or brett rogers) as top teir, when they really aren't close. anotonio silva is their only relevant HW, and i don't even think they mentioned him on the cbs show!
they chose to put together a card of mostly fighters who would keep the matches standing. i'm hoping for the next one, they will put a little more variety into it. as you said, casual fans or new fans seemed to be entertained by the show, so if the catch 22 is kimbo as a headliner, then it's not so bad if other, more talented and experienced fighters are getting exposure too. as long as the arena audience doesn't have the balls to boo a match like lawler vs. smith again. that was perplexing?!
i can't believe i keep forgetting joey getting the tko on phil baroni...:)...maybe it just feels like a happy place for me...:D
edit: i'll shut up now...and start spell checking my posts before i hit submit. i think i have had to edit almost every post!
i will always pick jorge gurgel and matt hamill to win from now on!
That must have been cool , which fighters did you guys get to meet??
Hey Mook, Yeah I was pumped the rest of the day after meeting him. I didn't hear the Donlad Trump thing , but he did say something about supposedly making his own fighting organization. If he went to Affliction that would be cool.
i'm sure you were pumped! that's exciting!
oh yeah, that's right too about tito's thing. i forgot. i think affliction has said they'll be doing cross-promotion, so maybe tito's new organization will be setting up a deal there...?...i don't know, i speculate! haha
great first fight on the ultimate fighter tonight! it didn't last long, but there were tons of scrambles and dan cramer was throwing lots of punches on the feet, even doing well on the ground against tim until he got caught in that heel hook. i was wanting to see more! wish it would have lasted longer.