how is this a "therapy session for myself"??? how??? that is absolutely ridiculous.
when people say things that are improper or offensive or discriminatory in some way, I'm gonna call them out on it. I DID NOT "turn" the thread into anything. You and everyone else can respond to whatever parts of his post you want- I responded to the part I wanted to. You and everyone else do not have to respond to ME. Sorry for wanting to discuss something MORE IMPORTANT.
Sorry, but that sounded like a John McEnroe rant against a referee (perhaps even a FEMALE referee) at the U.S. open!
I'm not talking about my education, i'm just saying there's no evidence to support his claim.
and sorry, I don't care what his post was "asking" for, if you write something on a public message board, it's open for scrutiny. period. he wrote the words in question, I didn't.
I think his only claim was that he feels he should be providing financially for his family.
Whatever the reason behind his feeling, it is not the point of this post and not really worth arguing about, in my opinion.
That's exactly how AG feels, only he's a guy. I don't think his point was keeping his wife home barefoot and pregnant. He is just trying to make a choice between help supporting his family by either working or staying home.
I'm not saying that, doesn't anyone get that? I know all about his choice, but HE'S the one that brought gender roles into it, not me. I'm saying that GENDER ROLES SHOULD NOT PLAY A ROLE IN THIS DECISION. If they do play a role in his way of thinking about the problem, then he is thinking in sexist terms.
and women feel comfortable working and bringing home the bacon just as much. it has NOTHING TO DO with being man, that is one of my key points.
that women are better at raising kids. he said that somewhere above, followed by "is that wrong to say" and I'm saying "yes, it is, there have been many studies to that effect and the literature does not support it."
Mine is, dammit! I baked exceptional anise/almond biscotti this morning. Hard as nails, and perfect. I'm telcommuting today. I was able to stay at home, bake and work - yippee!
My brother's a stay-at-home dad and from growing up you'd never think that it was something he'd considered. However, both he and his wife evaluated their finances, evaluated her earning potential (BIG!) and his (small) and realized it made financial sense for him to stay home. Also, they were able to have one stay-at-home parent. He is a construction worker, and he cooks exceptional grilled asparagus.
Ms Haiku... you are a goddess! Looks like it might run in the family too!
I'm not talking about my education, i'm just saying there's no evidence to support his claim.
and sorry, I don't care what his post was "asking" for, if you write something on a public message board, it's open for scrutiny. period. he wrote the words in question, I didn't.
fair enough... from what I've read tho it seems like you feel you're superior to stay-at-home moms because you're out there working on big problems and using your master's degree. I mean, if you saw a sexist statement from acoustic guy's original post.. then this is the statements that I saw from your posts.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
fair enough... from what I've read tho it seems like you feel you're superior to stay-at-home moms because you're out there working on big problems and using your master's degree. I mean, if you saw a sexist statement from acoustic guy's original post.. then this is the statements that I saw from your posts.
I didn't say anything about being superior. I was saying that I agreed with him that I would have the same exact feelings as him if I were raising a kid instead of working at home. those are my feelings as well as his, even though I'm a woman, to argue that his feelings do not stem from being a man. other people, male and female, do not have those feelings, and the ones that can financially, may choose to stay at home. that is exactly what I said in my post.
that women are better at raising kids. he said that somewhere above, followed by "is that wrong to say" and I'm saying "yes, it is, there have been many studies to that effect and the literature does not support it."
I'm sure the studies are valid. But come on, just between you and me, how do you really feel in your gut?
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
no, above he said that he thinks women are better at raising children, I was saying there's no evidence to support this claim.
then what's the point of even talking at all? some things are important to society, and you have to jump on them when you have a chance.
On your first point, I had thought he only said that he felt his wife personally would be better staying home with his daughter. I might be wrong. I don't want to go back and dig...lol.
On your second point...I just meant that, in the context of this thread and acoustic guy's intention while making it....it's pointless to argue the reason his his feelings about child-rearing, as a discussion on a message board isn't likely to change that.
I didn't say anything about being superior. I was saying that I agreed with him that I would have the same exact feelings as him if I were raising a kid instead of working at home. those are my feelings as well as his, even though I'm a woman, to argue that his feelings do not stem from being a man. other people, male and female, do not have those feelings, and the ones that can financially, may choose to stay at home. that is exactly what I said in my post.
okay.. i don't remember you saying you agree with him, but whatever i'm over it.
Whoa, chill bro... you know you can't raise your voice like that when the lion's here.
your mother in law is ALWAYS available to watch the kid? you have been spoiled! (also kids need to be exposed to people outside their own family on a regular basis-it's called socializing. same thing you do with dogs).
I would be a fantastic parent (except I'd have trouble with the cooking part, but that's about it). News flash, I have BEEN the other person watching the kid. I was nanny in college, so yes, I know that children can be watched by other people and will not die.
you ARE providing for your family by watching the kid. It's so sexist to say that's "role reversal." Your kid has half your DNA, so you can watch her just as well as your wife could. there are no "roles" when I comes to gender/watching kids. that's all social construction.
I'd love to know why people don't get banned for posts like this when I got banned for calling someone an idiot once.
No, I honestly think you would not be a fantastic parent. You are waaaay too self absorbed for that. Also, are you aware from up there on your soapbox that you are talking to a guy who is a stay-home-dad? Are you?
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
exactly, and my point is, I would want to work too. I would go nuts stuck in the house looking after a little kid every single day, not earning money, not being on a team
Saying that raising kids and taking care of the house is not being part of the team is saying that whoever is raising the kids is not contributing for the family which is just ridiculous!!
It's like getting a dog because you like to play fetch at the beach on weekends, but then expecting someone else get up at 5am to walk it and pick up its poop.
...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
Cincinnati '03 Flooded venue!
Bridge School '06 Night 1 & 2
Venice '07 pummeled by the sleet!
Nijmegen '07
Werchter '07
April Fools ~ LA1
I believe that a woman can do everything a man can do.I don't think her place is in the kitchen by any means. But, I feel that a woman has a softer touch when it comes to raising a child. Is that wrong to say? I think I do a awesome job raising my daughter, but I know my wife would be better.
Because she is a woman?
"a woman has a softer touch" is a little sexist, I'll agree.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
Considering the source, I can't be the only one busting up laughing right about now ..
You aren't for sure.
Accoustic, let me say that I wrestled with this idea when mine was around 2. Alot of it was more about ME not wanting to leave HIM. I am sure she will be fine. It is so difficult when you are around them so much. It will be a change for both of you, but it could also be a good change for both of you.
Good luck with your decision.
Cause I'm broken when I'm lonesome
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
i got to pg 5 and realized what champ was talking about holy fuck ,the man asks for advice and it turns into a fight the people who have no children should just shut the f up you haven't a clue till one day you have to deal with the emotional ride that is the up bringing of your own children ....
I've read this whole thread, each page. I'm so baffled how a simple question turned into this mess. Props to the funny one's that tried to lighten this up.
Kudos to AG..........I'm sorry but, I think I would have lost it already at some of these accusations. AG, you've responded well, I don't think I could have kept my cool. I've had one of my own threads turned into something it wasn't about and then the thread quickly disappeard. Not locked, Just gone. I'm sure it had to do with someone running to Kat and Sea because they didn't like what was being said even tho they were guilty of twisting it that way. Some things never change..............
Any way, I'm a parent and both of my kids have gone thru the daycare/pre-school system. It was tough at first. You want the best for your kids and it seems that only YOU as the PARENT can understand them and PROVIDE that for them. My kids are older now and I will say that they are very well rounded and socially adjusted kids. I have to give credit to the providers of care they have had. It's such a tough medium, to find that balance........I'd love to say that I was able to keep them home with me thru their toddler years, until kinder, but it just wasn't possible. I had to work to provide for them (single parent). They're fine now!! Any parent would love to be able to stay home with their child, but the times.........they are a-changin' , you do what you have to do. Good Luck AG! You will find the perfect provider, i'm sure of this.
The best use of Life is Love.
The best expression of Love is Time.
The best time to Love is Now.
To the ones who understand me and my question?
Thanks yall. A lot of help in a lot of ways. I really appreciate it.
To the ones that did not...........huh...........go to hell.
Gotta clean the kitchen so my wife has a nice clean home to come home too.
Uh oh. Maybe she should clean it when she comes home?
I'm confused, which way makes me sexist.
Have a great weekend people.
you sound like a good man & really i din't get involved i thought it would be an easy thing to get advice on how wrong was i , go with your heart i'm a parent of two kids so i wen't thru the whole day care ,babysitting experience you & your family will be fine i'm sure .....
I've read this whole thread, each page. I'm so baffled how a simple question turned into this mess. Props to the funny one's that tried to lighten this up.
Kudos to AG..........I'm sorry but, I think I would have lost it already at some of these accusations. AG, you've responded well, I don't think I could have kept my cool. I've had one of my own threads turned into something it wasn't about and then the thread quickly disappeard. Not locked, Just gone. I'm sure it had to do with someone running to Kat and Sea because they didn't like what was being said even tho they were guilty of twisting it that way. Some things never change..............
Any way, I'm a parent and both of my kids have gone thru the daycare/pre-school system. It was tough at first. You want the best for your kids and it seems that only YOU as the PARENT can understand them and PROVIDE that for them. My kids are older now and I will say that they are very well rounded and socially adjusted kids. I have to give credit to the providers of care they have had. It's such a tough medium, to find that balance........I'd love to say that I was able to keep them home with me thru their toddler years, until kinder, but it just wasn't possible. I had to work to provide for them (single parent). They're fine now!! Any parent would love to be able to stay home with their child, but the times.........they are a-changin' , you do what you have to do. Good Luck AG! You will find the perfect provider, i'm sure of this.
AG definitely kept his cool..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
i got to pg 5 and realized what champ was talking about holy fuck ,the man asks for advice and it turns into a fight the people who have no children should just shut the f up you haven't a clue till one day you have to deal with the emotional ride that is the up bringing of your own children ....
I'd agree with this..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
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Sorry, but that sounded like a John McEnroe rant against a referee (perhaps even a FEMALE referee) at the U.S. open!
I think his only claim was that he feels he should be providing financially for his family.
Whatever the reason behind his feeling, it is not the point of this post and not really worth arguing about, in my opinion.
I'm not saying that, doesn't anyone get that? I know all about his choice, but HE'S the one that brought gender roles into it, not me. I'm saying that GENDER ROLES SHOULD NOT PLAY A ROLE IN THIS DECISION. If they do play a role in his way of thinking about the problem, then he is thinking in sexist terms.
and women feel comfortable working and bringing home the bacon just as much. it has NOTHING TO DO with being man, that is one of my key points.
I once dated a kosher girl who refused to bring home the bacon. That was the end of that relationship.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
that women are better at raising kids. he said that somewhere above, followed by "is that wrong to say" and I'm saying "yes, it is, there have been many studies to that effect and the literature does not support it."
Ms Haiku... you are a goddess!
Now you are a sexist and an anti-semite!
I am a jew, and I love bacon!
Ah man that one got me.
no, above he said that he thinks women are better at raising children, I was saying there's no evidence to support this claim.
then what's the point of even talking at all? some things are important to society, and you have to jump on them when you have a chance.
fair enough... from what I've read tho it seems like you feel you're superior to stay-at-home moms because you're out there working on big problems and using your master's degree. I mean, if you saw a sexist statement from acoustic guy's original post.. then this is the statements that I saw from your posts.
Well if your name wasn't Joe we could date! Unless it's "Joe" as in Jo from the Facts of Life. Then we have a shot!
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I didn't say anything about being superior. I was saying that I agreed with him that I would have the same exact feelings as him if I were raising a kid instead of working at home. those are my feelings as well as his, even though I'm a woman, to argue that his feelings do not stem from being a man. other people, male and female, do not have those feelings, and the ones that can financially, may choose to stay at home. that is exactly what I said in my post.
I'm sure the studies are valid. But come on, just between you and me, how do you really feel in your gut?
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
On your first point, I had thought he only said that he felt his wife personally would be better staying home with his daughter. I might be wrong. I don't want to go back and dig...lol.
On your second point...I just meant that, in the context of this thread and acoustic guy's intention while making it....it's pointless to argue the reason his his feelings about child-rearing, as a discussion on a message board isn't likely to change that.
Well, when I dress in drag, I drop the E from my name!
Whaddaya say there, Jerky; paint the town, night on the town?
okay.. i don't remember you saying you agree with him, but whatever i'm over it.
No, I honestly think you would not be a fantastic parent. You are waaaay too self absorbed for that. Also, are you aware from up there on your soapbox that you are talking to a guy who is a stay-home-dad? Are you?
...riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....
Bridge School '06 Night 1 & 2
Venice '07 pummeled by the sleet!
Nijmegen '07
Werchter '07
April Fools ~ LA1
Because she is a woman?
"a woman has a softer touch" is a little sexist, I'll agree.
Accoustic, let me say that I wrestled with this idea when mine was around 2. Alot of it was more about ME not wanting to leave HIM.
Good luck with your decision.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
Kudos to AG..........I'm sorry but, I think I would have lost it already at some of these accusations. AG, you've responded well, I don't think I could have kept my cool. I've had one of my own threads turned into something it wasn't about and then the thread quickly disappeard. Not locked, Just gone. I'm sure it had to do with someone running to Kat and Sea because they didn't like what was being said even tho they were guilty of twisting it that way. Some things never change..............
Any way, I'm a parent and both of my kids have gone thru the daycare/pre-school system. It was tough at first. You want the best for your kids and it seems that only YOU as the PARENT can understand them and PROVIDE that for them. My kids are older now and I will say that they are very well rounded and socially adjusted kids. I have to give credit to the providers of care they have had. It's such a tough medium, to find that balance........I'd love to say that I was able to keep them home with me thru their toddler years, until kinder, but it just wasn't possible. I had to work to provide for them (single parent). They're fine now!! Any parent would love to be able to stay home with their child, but the times.........they are a-changin' , you do what you have to do. Good Luck AG! You will find the perfect provider, i'm sure of this.
The best expression of Love is Time.
The best time to Love is Now.
I'm never as good as when you're there.........
Thanks yall. A lot of help in a lot of ways. I really appreciate it.
To the ones that did not...........huh...........go to hell.
Gotta clean the kitchen so my wife has a nice clean home to come home too.
Uh oh. Maybe she should clean it when she comes home?
I'm confused, which way makes me sexist.
Have a great weekend people.
Sweep the Leg Johnny.
WORD!!
The best expression of Love is Time.
The best time to Love is Now.
I'm never as good as when you're there.........
you sound like a good man & really i din't get involved i thought it would be an easy thing to get advice on how wrong was i , go with your heart i'm a parent of two kids so i wen't thru the whole day care ,babysitting experience you & your family will be fine i'm sure .....
Have agreat weekend and good luck w/the daycare visit Monday.
I would say keep us posted.......but
AG definitely kept his cool..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I'd agree with this..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'