I chose to drink and party until my mid-30's. I had my daughter when I was 37. So for me, I think there were plusses to waiting.
I was ready to stop partying for a while and give my body a break from the abuse. I had a lot more patience than I know I had when I was younger and I wasn't so selfish. I was more mature and had a stable job and a stable relationship.
I chose to drink and party until my mid-30's. I had my daughter when I was 37. So for me, I think there were plusses to waiting.
I was ready to stop partying for a while and give my body a break from the abuse. I had a lot more patience than I know I had when I was younger and I wasn't so selfish. I was more mature and had a stable job and a stable relationship.
As long as our opinions on this subject do not become legislation, then I don't see a problem with our disagreements.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
I haven't really followed this thread very much and it's too long to read everything but I would like to add to this point. Bearing a child and giving birth is not a god given right for women, it is a blessing. I believe that nature should take it's course. If your body is not allowing you to get pregnant, there is a reason. If you can still conceive and go through pregnancy naturally at 50, there is a reason too. I don't think medicine should intervene with conception - your body is telling you something and you're messing with it. Just like the fact that more than 30% of pregnancies end in miscarriages... your body knows what is viable or not. Let it be your guide.
Don't think that I don't believe in medical interventions or things like that.. just not for getting pregnant.
exactly.
i also am not for legislating my personal beliefs on anyone either.....but i do agree, there *IS* a reason for it all.
As long as our opinions on this subject do not become legislation, then I don't see a problem with our disagreements.
Any disagreements and diverging opinions should only be fuel for a discussion! Nothing worse than a nanny state for such personal decisions. For any medical decision coming to think of it. Not all that long ago, a DNR was not even an option... one was subjected to whatever a doctor decided was best for you!
one was subjected to whatever a doctor decided was best for you!
That's it! That's what I'm rallying against! You wrote it so succinctly
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
but what about your throwing arm when you're too old to throw a pass to the kid in the backyard?
what about the arthritis in your fingers when you cant help her with her sewing project
what about the music they want to listen to?
unless its pearl jam will you have a generation gap?
Babies are wonderous and precious
and they are for the young
unless you are rich enough for a nanny who can get up five times a night and bring you your baby
"Justice cannot be for one side alone but must be for both" Eleanor Roosevelt
but what about your throwing arm when you're too old to throw a pass to the kid in the backyard?
what about the arthritis in your fingers when you cant help her with her sewing project
what about the music they want to listen to?
unless its pearl jam will you have a generation gap?
Babies are wonderous and precious
and they are for the young
unless you are rich enough for a nanny who can get up five times a night and bring you your baby
Rubbish.. you are also then discounting all the young people with any health problems, those that are handicapped (maybe in a wheelchair), those that have asthma and can't run, etc. 'And they are for the young' - such a silly statement.
And what about the music? There is already a gap between my daughter's friend who is 13 and her younger sister who is 9!
but what about your throwing arm when you're too old to throw a pass to the kid in the backyard?
what about the arthritis in your fingers when you cant help her with her sewing project
what about the music they want to listen to?
unless its pearl jam will you have a generation gap?
Babies are wonderous and precious
and they are for the young
unless you are rich enough for a nanny who can get up five times a night and bring you your baby
you whipper snapper. I'm going to come over there and beat you with my cane.
Tish - i'm not going to read this thread and if you're still reading posts here than my 2 cents is 'hell no'. Little man was born to his 35 yr old mother...just days before her 36th birthday. Although I think he's clinically insane right now at 1 1/2, he's just acting his age.
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I think 35 is the 'magic #' that i have heard problems can start to happen after that age. I am about to hit that magic # next month and I don't have kids yet, but I still plan to!!
My Mom had me when she was 35 and I came out ok
Halle Berry is 41 and pregnant with her 1st child, and JLo is 37. Gwen Stefani was 36 when she had her baby. I don't think 35 is too old.
Yes, I hear about famous and rich women having babies at older ages, which is why I figured money into my query.
I don't think it's a biological imperative to procreate. It's social. There isn't a biological pull to procreate. .
Oh I respectfully disagree. I'm going to be 35 next month, God willing. I feel like if I don't have a baby right this second I am going to explode. That's not the only reason why I want to have one now though. I feel ready now in every aspect of my life. I just need the daddy!
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Oh I respectfully disagree. I'm going to be 35 next month, God willing. I feel like if I don't have a baby right this second I am going to explode. That's not the only reason why I want to have one now though. I feel ready now in every aspect of my life. I just need the daddy!
Ok. I think my health issue has neutralized what could have been the big pull that others feel. I was feeling the big pull when I was in my 20s before I was given the "high risk" speech because of my heart. That's the thing, I've always wanted a baby. . . no more or less now.
I'm feeling a pull for a house, car, companionship. I still want a baby, but I can realistically see my later life without one . . .I'm thinking of retirement plans.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Ok. I think my health issue has neutralized what could have been the big pull that others feel. I was feeling the big pull when I was in my 20s before I was given the "high risk" speech because of my heart. That's the thing, I've always wanted a baby. . . no more or less now.
I'm feeling a pull for a house, car, companionship. I still want a baby, but I can realistically see my later life without one . . .I'm thinking of retirement plans.
not to get personal, but even with all THAT......you could always adopt, no? whether your health, age, etc....why is adoption not an option? and i do realize for some, their prior and/or current health issues may make them inillegible for adoption consideration....but barring that, if all one wants is a *baby*.....being a parent, is it really such a need/desire that the baby be *yours*.....?
and i am not trying to focus on you ms. haiku, it is all merely curiosity on my part, open to anyone.
not to get personal, but even with all THAT......you could always adopt, no? whether your health, age, etc....why is adoption not an option? and i do realize for some, their prior and/or current health issues may make them inillegible for adoption consideration....but barring that, if all one wants is a *baby*.....being a parent, is it really such a need/desire that the baby be *yours*.....?
and i am not trying to focus on you ms. haiku, it is all merely curiosity on my part, open to anyone.
I'm just not interested in adoption. I'm not saying it couldn't be an option later, but for now I'm not thinking along that path. I'm willing to wait (obviously, I'm 39 ) for the right decision, whatever that is for me at the time.
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Oh I respectfully disagree. I'm going to be 35 next month, God willing. I feel like if I don't have a baby right this second I am going to explode. That's not the only reason why I want to have one now though. I feel ready now in every aspect of my life. I just need the daddy!
I didn't have the 'urge' to be a mother. It was my husband who became broody! I am happy with a child but could also have been happy without. It was not a necessity.
i see the euro peeps had to turn this into another treatise on your socialist healthcare system. :rolleyes:
my mom was 43 when she had my youngest sib - both a-ok & 100% healthy & that sib outsmarts us all in many ways. lol
i have a cousin whose wife was about 31 when she had a down's syndrome baby. don't take statistics personally.
Oh I respectfully disagree. I'm going to be 35 next month, God willing. I feel like if I don't have a baby right this second I am going to explode. That's not the only reason why I want to have one now though. I feel ready now in every aspect of my life. I just need the daddy!
Me too, Allie. (Except a slight age difference.) You can have Rzeznik, if I can have Ament! j/k! Is this creating much havoc in your sex life during ovulation? I swear, I'm nuttier than ever about this!
i see the euro peeps had to turn this into another treatise on your socialist healthcare system. :rolleyes:
....
australia has a socialised health care system too. and i am very fortunate and appreciative of being able to access it. i have never had private health insurance and i never will.
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at 24, I could NEVER see myself having a baby. I am so far removed from that right now. My mother had me, the first born, at 24. She had my brother at 31.
I just can't imagine having a baby for at least 10 more years. I haven't been able to travel, buy a home, get my masters yet, start to build a career, afford to actually save money, pay down debt etc. While we are working towards all of these things we feel that having a child at our ages would only be a detriment to the child.
I don't know if in 10 + years I will ever be ready to be a parent, or want to have children at that point. I am a big supporter of adoption.. so we'll see.. If I chose to have children at 35 or so, and it doesn't happen for me, then I will see that as a sign that it wasn't meant to be.
I was high risk for complications due to my heart. I don't think I'm high risk due to my age (39). There so many other things to worry about.
I still find those statistics suspect, but I guess it doesn't really matter in my life since I'm not close to having a baby.
just wanted to say a couple of things, and I don't mean to be pushy...
I don't know anything about your medical condition but if you have a health problem to begin with then couldn't you be at risk of more complications the longer you wait? I have a kidney problem which means I have "high risk" pregnancies, but the risks aren't particularly bad at this point in my life (26)as my kidneys aren't excessively damaged. I have been told though that it would be in my best interest to have all the children I want to have before I am 30 because my kidneys have the potential of going down hill very fast at around that point in time. I was only told this, however, when I was already pregnant with baby number one. Now if I had decided to wait until my mid 30s or even early 30s to have babies I may have had to throw those plans out the window (and having children is particulay important to me, above career, etc).
Also, if you are 39 and still far off of having children then you should just be aware that some people go through menopause or pre-menopause at a very young age (from mid 30s onwards), making it difficult to impossible to have children. Maybe you should ask your female family when they went through menopause to get an idea of when you are likely to. I have a feeling that my family may go through an early menopause, but that has not been an issue that has need discussing since we all had families before mid 30s, so I could be wrong. There are other things to that could happen out of your control, such as my mum had a cysts in her uterus and had to have a hysterectomy at around 39/40. Luckily that did not effect her too much as she was a grandmother by that point and had already had her tubes tied many years earlier, but if she had wanted children it waould have been too late. That was not a genetic issue, and she was in very good health otherwise, it was just one of those things that happens. And the older you are the more chance you have of things 'just happening' to you.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say hurry up and have your kids already or even say that you will have major problems (although I do believe the statisics and do believe you have more of a chance of having complicationc now then you would have if you had had children in your twenties), but I am trying to say you can risk leaving it too long to have children and I just hope that if you do leave it too long you will not be bitterly disappointed. I hope that if you are leaving the choice until you are ready that you are also ready to live without children if need be. Hope that doesn't sound rude, it's more concern, a kind of "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" statement.
just wanted to say a couple of things, and I don't mean to be pushy...
I don't know anything about your medical condition but if you have a health problem to begin with then couldn't you be at risk of more complications the longer you wait? I have a kidney problem which means I have "high risk" pregnancies, but the risks aren't particularly bad at this point in my life (26)as my kidneys aren't excessively damaged. I have been told though that it would be in my best interest to have all the children I want to have before I am 30 because my kidneys have the potential of going down hill very fast at around that point in time. I was only told this, however, when I was already pregnant with baby number one. Now if I had decided to wait until my mid 30s or even early 30s to have babies I may have had to throw those plans out the window (and having children is particulay important to me, above career, etc).
Also, if you are 39 and still far off of having children then you should just be aware that some people go through menopause or pre-menopause at a very young age (from mid 30s onwards), making it difficult to impossible to have children. Maybe you should ask your female family when they went through menopause to get an idea of when you are likely to. I have a feeling that my family may go through an early menopause, but that has not been an issue that has need discussing since we all had families before mid 30s, so I could be wrong. There are other things to that could happen out of your control, such as my mum had a cysts in her uterus and had to have a hysterectomy at around 39/40. Luckily that did not effect her too much as she was a grandmother by that point and had already had her tubes tied many years earlier, but if she had wanted children it waould have been too late. That was not a genetic issue, and she was in very good health otherwise, it was just one of those things that happens. And the older you are the more chance you have of things 'just happening' to you.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say hurry up and have your kids already or even say that you will have major problems (although I do believe the statisics and do believe you have more of a chance of having complicationc now then you would have if you had had children in your twenties), but I am trying to say you can risk leaving it too long to have children and I just hope that if you do leave it too long you will not be bitterly disappointed. I hope that if you are leaving the choice until you are ready that you are also ready to live without children if need be. Hope that doesn't sound rude, it's more concern, a kind of "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" statement.
I don't believe in rushing this type of life altering decision "just in case." My mom went through menapause at 56. I don't see how someone can try to push me to get it over with just in case. That suggestion oversteps polite boundaries. Is that the right attitude for the parent and the child? Also, I'm not desperate. Does it make sense for someone to want a child as long as me, and not be desperate? I guess so. Here I am. As I wrote before I have weighed how I lived my life, and I see that I may be without children.
I'm 33 years surgery-free. That's the only age of importance. No one in my family is pushing me. No one around me is pushing me. Are they doing that to you?
Why I most likely won't have children isn't age, isn't health - it's the man! I want to be in a committed relationship . . . where is he?! Oh knight, knight, knight in shining armour where are you? Really bottom line, this is it. If I'm in a committed relationship, we can decide how we want to live our lives taking all issues into consideration. Just like most people, eh?
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
Ok. I think my health issue has neutralized what could have been the big pull that others feel. I was feeling the big pull when I was in my 20s before I was given the "high risk" speech because of my heart. That's the thing, I've always wanted a baby. . . no more or less now.
I'm feeling a pull for a house, car, companionship. I still want a baby, but I can realistically see my later life without one . . .I'm thinking of retirement plans.
wow. could you have a baby via a surrogate though? I'd be afraid! Like I don't mean that rudely, I'm just saying if my life and my baby's were at risk like that, I'd be genuinely scared but then I don't think anything would take away that feeling to want to have a baby. That must be a hard situation to be in .
For the adoption question, I mean I don't think there's anything wrong with that but for me personally, I want the whole 9 months pregnant experience and everything that comes with it. I want to give my parents a grand baby too. I want to carry on the genes. I'm the only one that can, in my family. I want to have my own biological child and experience giving birth
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I don't believe in rushing this type of life altering decision "just in case." My mom went through menapause at 56. I don't see how someone can try to push me to get it over with just in case. That suggestion oversteps polite boundaries. Is that the right attitude for the parent and the child? Also, I'm not desperate. Does it make sense for someone to want a child as long as me, and not be desperate? I guess so. Here I am. As I wrote before I have weighed how I lived my life, and I see that I may be without children.
I'm 33 years surgery-free. That's the only age of importance. No one in my family is pushing me. No one around me is pushing me. Are they doing that to you?
Why I most likely won't have children isn't age, isn't health - it's the man! I want to be in a committed relationship . . . where is he?! Oh knight, knight, knight in shining armour where are you? Really bottom line, this is it. If I'm in a committed relationship, we can decide how we want to live our lives taking all issues into consideration. Just like most people, eh?
Oh no I wasn't suggesting having a baby "just in case". Like I said, I didn't mean to sound pushy. I just worry sometimes when women put off the decision to have children that they are doing so believing that when the time comes it will just happen. If you are just as satisfied to live life without children then there is definately no rush. Plus I just assumed (always a bad thing to do) that you were in a relationship. I definately don't believe in having kids for the sack of having kids, best to wait to have them with the right caring loving person of your choice. There is/was noone rushing me but myself and even then I couldn't rush because I didn't find mr right until years after I was wanting to have kids. I always had a feeling though (I don't know why) that I wouldn't be able to have children so I was thinking about adoption if that was the case.
PS about the "just in case" idea. Although that is not what I was trying to say I do, hypotetically, believe that if I had wanted to leave having children until my mid to late 30's and THEN had been told by the doctor that it is quite possible that my kidneys will start to deteriate quickly around the age of 30, then yes I believe I probably would have made the decision to have children earlier than I was planning to, but that is a completely different scenary to your circumstances. Plus I am married. I wouldn't make the choice to have children earlier if I wasn't married. I have a number of friends with medical problems who have been told if they want children they should have them early, but they are in no rush particularly because they need the partner first, then they will think about it. Anyway, I am being completely side tracked here.
PPS I was just concerned, but you seem well informed and your plans seem well thought out, so concern over sorry, it's in my nature to be concerned about everything and worry for everyone.
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I was ready to stop partying for a while and give my body a break from the abuse.
Same here.
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exactly.
i also am not for legislating my personal beliefs on anyone either.....but i do agree, there *IS* a reason for it all.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
what about the arthritis in your fingers when you cant help her with her sewing project
what about the music they want to listen to?
unless its pearl jam will you have a generation gap?
Babies are wonderous and precious
and they are for the young
unless you are rich enough for a nanny who can get up five times a night and bring you your baby
Rubbish.. you are also then discounting all the young people with any health problems, those that are handicapped (maybe in a wheelchair), those that have asthma and can't run, etc. 'And they are for the young' - such a silly statement.
And what about the music? There is already a gap between my daughter's friend who is 13 and her younger sister who is 9!
Unless you were jesting?
you whipper snapper. I'm going to come over there and beat you with my cane.
Yup, I'm sifting through the S**t. Next time, I'll just ask a girlfriend to reassure me!
true, but being broke makes it a helluva lot harder to raise kids.
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Yes, I hear about famous and rich women having babies at older ages, which is why I figured money into my query.
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I'm feeling a pull for a house, car, companionship. I still want a baby, but I can realistically see my later life without one . . .I'm thinking of retirement plans.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
not to get personal, but even with all THAT......you could always adopt, no? whether your health, age, etc....why is adoption not an option? and i do realize for some, their prior and/or current health issues may make them inillegible for adoption consideration....but barring that, if all one wants is a *baby*.....being a parent, is it really such a need/desire that the baby be *yours*.....?
and i am not trying to focus on you ms. haiku, it is all merely curiosity on my part, open to anyone.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
my mom was 43 when she had my youngest sib - both a-ok & 100% healthy & that sib outsmarts us all in many ways. lol
i have a cousin whose wife was about 31 when she had a down's syndrome baby. don't take statistics personally.
Me too, Allie. (Except a slight age difference.) You can have Rzeznik, if I can have Ament! j/k! Is this creating much havoc in your sex life during ovulation? I swear, I'm nuttier than ever about this!
australia has a socialised health care system too. and i am very fortunate and appreciative of being able to access it. i have never had private health insurance and i never will.
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what does broke mean to you? what is considered as having enough money to raise your children is subjective.
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I just can't imagine having a baby for at least 10 more years. I haven't been able to travel, buy a home, get my masters yet, start to build a career, afford to actually save money, pay down debt etc. While we are working towards all of these things we feel that having a child at our ages would only be a detriment to the child.
I don't know if in 10 + years I will ever be ready to be a parent, or want to have children at that point. I am a big supporter of adoption.. so we'll see.. If I chose to have children at 35 or so, and it doesn't happen for me, then I will see that as a sign that it wasn't meant to be.
just wanted to say a couple of things, and I don't mean to be pushy...
I don't know anything about your medical condition but if you have a health problem to begin with then couldn't you be at risk of more complications the longer you wait? I have a kidney problem which means I have "high risk" pregnancies, but the risks aren't particularly bad at this point in my life (26)as my kidneys aren't excessively damaged. I have been told though that it would be in my best interest to have all the children I want to have before I am 30 because my kidneys have the potential of going down hill very fast at around that point in time. I was only told this, however, when I was already pregnant with baby number one. Now if I had decided to wait until my mid 30s or even early 30s to have babies I may have had to throw those plans out the window (and having children is particulay important to me, above career, etc).
Also, if you are 39 and still far off of having children then you should just be aware that some people go through menopause or pre-menopause at a very young age (from mid 30s onwards), making it difficult to impossible to have children. Maybe you should ask your female family when they went through menopause to get an idea of when you are likely to. I have a feeling that my family may go through an early menopause, but that has not been an issue that has need discussing since we all had families before mid 30s, so I could be wrong. There are other things to that could happen out of your control, such as my mum had a cysts in her uterus and had to have a hysterectomy at around 39/40. Luckily that did not effect her too much as she was a grandmother by that point and had already had her tubes tied many years earlier, but if she had wanted children it waould have been too late. That was not a genetic issue, and she was in very good health otherwise, it was just one of those things that happens. And the older you are the more chance you have of things 'just happening' to you.
Anyway, I'm not trying to say hurry up and have your kids already or even say that you will have major problems (although I do believe the statisics and do believe you have more of a chance of having complicationc now then you would have if you had had children in your twenties), but I am trying to say you can risk leaving it too long to have children and I just hope that if you do leave it too long you will not be bitterly disappointed. I hope that if you are leaving the choice until you are ready that you are also ready to live without children if need be. Hope that doesn't sound rude, it's more concern, a kind of "hope for the best, prepare for the worst" statement.
I'm 33 years surgery-free. That's the only age of importance. No one in my family is pushing me. No one around me is pushing me. Are they doing that to you?
Why I most likely won't have children isn't age, isn't health - it's the man! I want to be in a committed relationship . . . where is he?! Oh knight, knight, knight in shining armour where are you? Really bottom line, this is it. If I'm in a committed relationship, we can decide how we want to live our lives taking all issues into consideration. Just like most people, eh?
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
wow. could you have a baby via a surrogate though? I'd be afraid! Like I don't mean that rudely, I'm just saying if my life and my baby's were at risk like that, I'd be genuinely scared but then I don't think anything would take away that feeling to want to have a baby. That must be a hard situation to be in .
For the adoption question, I mean I don't think there's anything wrong with that but for me personally, I want the whole 9 months pregnant experience and everything that comes with it. I want to give my parents a grand baby too. I want to carry on the genes. I'm the only one that can, in my family. I want to have my own biological child and experience giving birth
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"Sometimes life should be consumed in measured doses"
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6/25/08
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and Metsy!
Oh no I wasn't suggesting having a baby "just in case". Like I said, I didn't mean to sound pushy. I just worry sometimes when women put off the decision to have children that they are doing so believing that when the time comes it will just happen. If you are just as satisfied to live life without children then there is definately no rush. Plus I just assumed (always a bad thing to do) that you were in a relationship. I definately don't believe in having kids for the sack of having kids, best to wait to have them with the right caring loving person of your choice. There is/was noone rushing me but myself and even then I couldn't rush because I didn't find mr right until years after I was wanting to have kids. I always had a feeling though (I don't know why) that I wouldn't be able to have children so I was thinking about adoption if that was the case.
PS about the "just in case" idea. Although that is not what I was trying to say I do, hypotetically, believe that if I had wanted to leave having children until my mid to late 30's and THEN had been told by the doctor that it is quite possible that my kidneys will start to deteriate quickly around the age of 30, then yes I believe I probably would have made the decision to have children earlier than I was planning to, but that is a completely different scenary to your circumstances. Plus I am married. I wouldn't make the choice to have children earlier if I wasn't married. I have a number of friends with medical problems who have been told if they want children they should have them early, but they are in no rush particularly because they need the partner first, then they will think about it. Anyway, I am being completely side tracked here.
PPS I was just concerned, but you seem well informed and your plans seem well thought out, so concern over
But the conversation moved on from there....
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