Okay, sometimes I get really upset over this...

decides2dream

Saturnal wrote:

I think cheating because of an unfilled emotional need is worse actually. I don't wanna say men have no control, but our physical needs play a MUCH greater role in this stuff...and that part of it is involuntary. With the woman, it's usually completely voluntary.

i call BULLSHIT on that...that is called a copout. i don't care what your *physical needs* are, there is NO proof that men *need* it more, and as MCKB so eloquently put it, you can wank away your *needs* if need be....plenty of women have strong physical sexual needs as well. it's a CHOICE, plain and simple. and i am not being moralistic, b/c i am very much a *grey area* thinker...but i am just calling it as it IS.

TrixieCat

mookie9999 wrote:

That could also be an emotional issue if the lad wasn't breast fed as a child.

Or even if he was.
I can tell you right now that my child will be a breast man.
It is amazing how this stuff is burned into your brains at such a young age.

in_hiding79

Phantom Pain wrote:

What's Green and smells like Pork ??

Kermit the Frog's fingers :eek:

ewwwwww........

failedpersephone

mookie9999 wrote:

Speaking as a child of the '70's, it hurts like a sombitch, regardless.

I am in a Smokey and the Bandit mood. you caught me. (the god-dammed germans got nothin' to do wit' it!)

you are right, it would hurt too, but the physical "I really really really wanted to fuck a redhead" would be easier for me to deal with (I am talking about me and not all womankind) than to hear that he was talking and laughing and just hanging out and screwing someone else...because, that is something that would make me feel inadequate. and screw THAT feeling! screw it long with a pointy stick.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

decides2dream wrote:

you can wank away your *needs* if need be

That's what I do (not like I'm in this situation very often, but that's what I've done haha). I agree for humans, it's a choice. That's what makes us different from other animals. But I still don't think that physical need is equal between men and women. No way. And I don't think that inequality is rooted purely in societal norms or something.

GreenTeaDisease

Saturnal wrote:

That's what I do (not like I'm in this situation very often, but that's what I've done haha). I agree for humans, it's a choice. That's what makes us different from other animals. But I still don't think that physical need is equal between men and women. No way. And I don't think that inequality is rooted purely in societal norms or something.

ok...if that's true...what physical need are we talking about here? are you saying that men just need to have sex, because then why would they cheat, they could just have sex with the person they always have sex with. or are you saying they have a physical need to have sex with someone else?

and it can't really be a physical need because there are so many men and women who don't have sex at all, and they don't die from it. it's not like water and food.

Cree Nations

in_hiding79 wrote:

why is it always the "man" that is a pig that cheats on his wife/girlfriend when women cheat JUST AS MUCH AS GUYS DO??? In every single magazine I received this month, it has something about a man cheating, like "how to tell if your man cheats", or "why do men cheat"? Ummm, women cheat too and I think the percentage has gone up higher the last couple of years....it pisses me off that some of us women come off looking like angels when in reality we can be just as bad as men! (sometimes even worse)

sure men are usually the cheaters but women cheat too and maybe just as much but they are always good at hiding things or changing the subject.

failedpersephone

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

ok...if that's true...what physical need are we talking about here? are you saying that men just need to have sex, because then why would they cheat, they could just have sex with the person they always have sex with. or are you saying they have a physical need to have sex with someone else?

and it can't really be a physical need because there are so many men and women who don't have sex at all, and they don't die from it. it's not like water and food.

isn't there a perky chick flick movie with that as the premise...maybe sandra bullock pouts and pratfalls her way through it. :cool:

in_hiding79

Cree Nations wrote:

sure men are usually the cheaters but women cheat too and maybe just as much but they are always good at hiding things or changing the subject.

Very true!!

GreenTeaDisease

failedpersephone wrote:

isn't there a perky chick flick movie with that as the premise...maybe sandra bullock pouts and pratfalls her way through it. :cool:

what premise?

mookie9999

failedpersephone wrote:

I am in a Smokey and the Bandit mood. you caught me. (the god-dammed germans got nothin' to do wit' it!)

you are right, it would hurt too, but the physical "I really really really wanted to fuck a redhead" would be easier for me to deal with (I am talking about me and not all womankind) than to hear that he was talking and laughing and just hanging out and screwing someone else...because, that is something that would make me feel inadequate. and screw THAT feeling! screw it long with a pointy stick.

I know it has nothing to do with this thread but I can't get:

"The First Thing I'm Gonna Do When I Get Home Is Punch Your Momma In The Mouth"

Out of my head.

Urban Hiker

Saturnal wrote:

These are women's magazines right? If they start criticizing women for cheating, I doubt they'd sell as many subscriptions

Maybe they should do an article on how to "get away with cheating on your man" and see what happens to their sales.

in_hiding79

I still think that men get blamed for failed marriages/relaitionships when it could have been the woman's fault. I don't know, but both cheat.

failedpersephone

mookie9999 wrote:

I know it has nothing to do with this thread but I can't get:

"The First Thing I'm Gonna Do When I Get Home Is Punch Your Momma In The Mouth"

Out of my head.

there's no way you came from MY loins.

in_hiding79

mookie9999 wrote:

I know it has nothing to do with this thread but I can't get:

"The First Thing I'm Gonna Do When I Get Home Is Punch Your Momma In The Mouth"

Out of my head.

LOL

That's funny!

mookie9999

failedpersephone wrote:

there's no way you came from MY loins.

"Daddy, can we stay and watch the game?"

decides2dream

Saturnal wrote:

That's what I do (not like I'm in this situation very often, but that's what I've done haha). I agree for humans, it's a choice. That's what makes us different from other animals. But I still don't think that physical need is equal between men and women. No way. And I don't think that inequality is rooted purely in societal norms or something.

not between ALL men and women, but sure some. even amongst men, or just women, i am sure the *needs* vary greatly. i think the rest is all cultural myth, or at most...lsight edge to male needs, but none the less...not a statistically significant enough difference. i think i't s acrutch, a copout, bullshit. it IS all choice. bottomline...it's no *excuse*....that's all.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

ok...if that's true...what physical need are we talking about here? are you saying that men just need to have sex, because then why would they cheat, they could just have sex with the person they always have sex with. or are you saying they have a physical need to have sex with someone else?

and it can't really be a physical need because there are so many men and women who don't have sex at all, and they don't die from it. it's not like water and food.

Fine, replace "need" with "desire". It's not a necessity like breathing or something.

Why would a man cheat if he could just have sex with the person he always want to have sex with? Because it doesn't work that way (assuming he's not a rapist). Females select the best mate, not men. This is common to many many species, and you can see this reflected in so many ways in humanity alone. Go on craigslist and post a wanted ad for a sexual encounter and tell me how many responses you get. I guarantee you it'll be 100 times the number I'd get. And you can't attribute that totally to women being shunned in society for wanting sex. That's part of it, but a smaller part I think.

And again, I'm not saying any of this to make it seem like it's ok for men to cheat. They're still human, and they ultimately have the choice. I'm just saying that involuntary element plays a larger role in men cheating than women.

decides2dream

in_hiding79 wrote:

I still think that men get blamed for failed marriages/relaitionships when it could have been the woman's fault. I don't know, but both cheat.

people who dont know shit or don';t bother to care or know....may do this. who cares? i think anyone with half a brain and any thought process knows this is not the case, every relationship is different, etc...so why bother worry what "other" people think? and who gives a shite who gets 'blamed'...i't's ALL BS except for the people involved and that's their business. i think to lump ALL relationships...or all of anything together and say ALL do X...is foolhardy at best, ignorant at worst...and not worth any time. none of this is news in this day and age, and most know this.

Saturnal wrote:

I'm just saying that involuntary element plays a larger role in men cheating than women.

and i STILL 100% disagree with this. there is NOTHING *involuntary* about it.

justam

in_hiding79 wrote:

why is it always the "man" that is a pig that cheats on his wife/girlfriend when women cheat JUST AS MUCH AS GUYS DO??? In every single magazine I received this month, it has something about a man cheating, like "how to tell if your man cheats", or "why do men cheat"? Ummm, women cheat too and I think the percentage has gone up higher the last couple of years....it pisses me off that some of us women come off looking like angels when in reality we can be just as bad as men! (sometimes even worse)

Why waste time reading trash like that anyway??