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Bathgate66

singularity wrote:

tom renney has lost complete control of this team. this is the first game since, "the hardest practice i put my guys through in my 3 years in NY" and this is how the team responds? it's a joke. they gave up on the guy.

i see a coaching change in the near future.

Looks like Brooks disagrees with your ( and mine ) point,....




GAME-BY-GAME TRIAL UNFAIR TO CLASSY RANGERS COACH

IF GLEN Sather is evalu ating Tom Renney's status on a game-by-game basis, then whether he knows it or not, the GM has made up his mind that the head coach has got to go.

It can't be that 3-1 with an empty-netter over the Islanders on Wednesday grants Renney a reprieve when 2-1 against in the same game without Yann (Mr. Softie) Danis yielding that goal to Scott (Mr. Muffin) Gomez would have meant the end for Renney.

It can't work that way.

Either Sather - who shares his thoughts with, well, with we can't quite tell you, exactly, and we can't tell you from whom the GM seeks counsel, either, if he does - believes Renney commands the authority to steer the Rangers to a fourth straight playoff berth, or he doesn't.

This coach's immediate future cannot be determined by the outcome of a one-goal game. That's lunacy. The Rangers aren't rolling over. They're not quitting.

If Renney is behind the bench tomorrow night in Buffalo, and there is no reason on earth to expect anything different, he should remain for the duration of the season.

*

Regardless of the outcome of this season, Renney has ensured his place as one the most significant head coaches in franchise history, in fact joining Mike Keenan and Emile Francis as the team's three most important and successful coaches of the modern era.

There was Sather's foresight coming out of the lockout in assembling a squad built around Jaromir Jagr and his European posse, there was the Great 68, missed so terribly this season, and there was Henrik Lundqvist.

But there also was Renney to guide a laughingstock team back to credibility, and to do it always with a sense of class and character that brought pride back to the organization.

That not only counts for something, that counts for a great deal, even if the head coach seems to be off-balance in dealing with the challenges of leading this vanilla team that misses go-to personalities even more than go-to scorers.

*

There is no question whatsoever that John Tortorella is the right man, if not the only man, for the job when and if Sather makes a change behind the bench. He's the guy.

There is, however, nothing in the GM's track record to suggest that he'd be willing to turn the team over to as strong, charismatic, hard-headed and independent a coach as Tortorella, who could care less who you are or what you make when it comes time to hold players accountable.

"I will not answer a single question about a job that is not open," Tortorella, the 2004 Cup winner in Tampa who was dismissed last summer, told The Post yesterday. "I had that happen to me for two months after last season. I believe it's unethical in our business to do that to anyone.

"I'm fortunate enough to have a job working for TSN that's been something I really enjoy, It's allowed me to learn and I'm appreciative. But if the question is would I like to make a career at TSN or return to coaching, there's no question that in my mind, I want to coach."

With Sather's resume, however, if Edmonton dismisses Craig MacTavish after the season, make book that he becomes the leading candidate to replace Renney, if replacing is needed.

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Bathgate66

Geez
Buff smacking us down
win 1 , lose 4.
at this rate, we'll be playing golf a little earlier than the 8 leading teams in our conference.


anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L

Bathgate66

Bathgate66 wrote:

Geez
Buff smacking us down
win 1 , lose 4.
at this rate, we'll be playing golf a little earlier than the 8 leading teams in our conference.


anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L

sold

patrickredeyes

Bathgate66 wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

Geez
Buff smacking us down
win 1 , lose 4.
at this rate, we'll be playing golf a little earlier than the 8 leading teams in our conference.


anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L

sold

Your Rangers jersey is burned in my mind. hehe

Bathgate66

patrickredeyes wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

Bathgate66 wrote:

Geez
Buff smacking us down
win 1 , lose 4.
at this rate, we'll be playing golf a little earlier than the 8 leading teams in our conference.


anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L

sold

Your Rangers jersey is burned in my mind. hehe

?

i dont get it
cuz of the shitty play lately?

lol

patrickredeyes

anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L[/quote]



sold[/quote]


Your Rangers jersey is burned in my mind. hehe[/quote]

?

i dont get it
cuz of the shitty play lately?

lol[/quote]


No because after the the first MSG show was over. Were all leaving and I hear this loud voice and see this guy wearing a Rangers jersey. Then the next day I meet you at the Pre-party wearing what your Rangers jersey. hehehe

Great memories from last year for sure.

btw you were the guy i saw the first nite.

Gary Carter

Bathgate66 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

so whats the odds tom renney gets canned after tommrows loss.

hahaha

nice try , metsy

you guys are 1-4 against us " rags " this year.

nuff said

least i try bathy.

that is true but the RAG$ STILL SUCK

nuff staid

xavier mcdaniel

patrickredeyes wrote:

anyhow, I have 2 extra tixckets for Rangers game tomorrow ( SUNDAY ) Night-

Interested?--- get with me,...Its is a ceremony night as jersies will be retired and raised to the big round cieling,...! FACE VALUE !

section 311, row L

sold[/quote]


Your Rangers jersey is burned in my mind. hehe[/quote]

?

i dont get it
cuz of the shitty play lately?

lol[/quote]


No because after the the first MSG show was over. Were all leaving and I hear this loud voice and see this guy wearing a Rangers jersey. Then the next day I meet you at the Pre-party wearing what your Rangers jersey. hehehe

Great memories from last year for sure.

btw you were the guy i saw the first nite.[/quote]

I'm fairly we certain we met before night one while I was killing time waiting for Bathgate.

patrickredeyes

I'm fairly we certain we met before night one while I was killing time waiting for Bathgate.[/quote]





That is true.

Bathgate66

ah now that makes sense.
I upgraded my tickets for tonight- im now in the Club Section 32 , row C .
Anyone else attending tonight ?
Il'll be with the born2runqt ,.....

xavier mcdaniel

I'll be there, same spot as usual. The ceremonies should be good, don't know if I can say the same thing about the game.

Bathgate66

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

I'll be there, same spot as usual. The ceremonies should be good, don't know if I can say the same thing about the game.

i know what you mean L

I am liable to stay for just the raisings, then bolt out, if that scoreboard is 1 sidededly heavy on the Leafs.

They looked pretty lost out there last night in Buffalo.

Gary Carter

Bathgate66 wrote:

i know what you mean L

I am liable to stay for just the raisings, then bolt out, if that scoreboard is 1 sidededly heavy on the Leafs.

They looked pretty lost out there last night in Buffalo.

thats really sad you leave after the raisings but then again with the way the team has looked why bother to stay around for the fire renney chants

xavier mcdaniel

Bathgate66 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

I'll be there, same spot as usual. The ceremonies should be good, don't know if I can say the same thing about the game.

i know what you mean L

I am liable to stay for just the raisings, then bolt out, if that scoreboard is 1 sidededly heavy on the Leafs.

They looked pretty lost out there last night in Buffalo.

you know it's bad when I turned on the radio they I heard they were down 2-0 and I immediately switched it off. Good to see you briefly before tonight's game, which was a miracle it was scoreless for so long considering how sloppy they were.

chromiam

well renney is gone

xavier mcdaniel

chromiam wrote:

well renney is gone

they fired the wrong guy. too bad they couldn't take kalinin, redden, rozsival and zherdev out also.

HailHailVitalogy

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

chromiam wrote:

well renney is gone

they fired the wrong guy. too bad they couldn't take kalinin, redden, rozsival and zherdev out also.

Too bad Glen can't be crucified

chromiam

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

chromiam wrote:

well renney is gone

they fired the wrong guy. too bad they couldn't take kalinin, redden, rozsival and zherdev out also.

yeah but as always in sports its easier and cheaper to fire the coach midseason then to clean house of players or a GM.

xavier mcdaniel

chromiam wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

chromiam wrote:

well renney is gone

they fired the wrong guy. too bad they couldn't take kalinin, redden, rozsival and zherdev out also.

yeah but as always in sports its easier and cheaper to fire the coach midseason then to clean house of players or a GM.

that is true, the rumblings going around are that john tortorella is the replacement, so we'll see what he can do.

Gary Carter

sather shoulda been fired. he was the guy that bought in dury, gomez and redden. nothing can save this team not even torts or the goon avery. this team will go nowhere as long as sather is around. i'm not knocking the front office just cause im and isles fan, knocking it cause it just flat out sucks. you tell me this, if straka, shanny and jagr where around would this team be this bad.

rival.

metsfan wrote:

sather shoulda been fired. he was the guy that bought in dury, gomez and redden. nothing can save this team not even torts or the goon avery. this team will go nowhere as long as sather is around. i'm not knocking the front office just cause im and isles fan, knocking it cause it just flat out sucks. you tell me this, if straka, shanny and jagr where around would this team be this bad.

agreed. when is sather getting the axe? he is the most responsible for the underachieving that has been happening the past several years.

Gary Carter

singularity wrote:

agreed. when is sather getting the axe? he is the most responsible for the underachieving that has been happening the past several years.

wont be happening anytime soon. he's very buddy buddy with dolan, thats what insiders have said over the years.

Bathgate66

Tortorella?

what about Messier ?

igotid88

Bathgate66 wrote:

Tortorella?

what about Messier ?

That's what I thought too. Maybe he might try out for GM when they fire Sather after the season.

xavier mcdaniel

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

Bathgate66

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

nice piece L !

but where are the linbe combos that were cut off at the end ?

still interesting to read nonethel;ess.

whats with Saturdays game ?

Against Colorado?
Its on WPIX Channel 11 ? It took me back about 35 years when i saw that commercial ,....

wow

Bathgate66

found it

Naslund-Gomez-Zherdev
Dubinsky-Drury-Callahan
Dawes-Korpikoski-Prucha
Sjostrom-Betts-Orr/Voros

Rozsival-Staal
Mara-Girardi
Reitz/Kalinin-Redden

Mara, who played 46 games under Tortorella in Tampa in 2000-01, practiced with the team for the first time. But his shoulder, which he injured nine days ago, was still not healed and will miss tomorrow night's game and several more at least.

Plenty more to come here on newsday.com and in tomorrow's paper. Newsday's Katie Strang shot some video, and Mark Herrmann and Arthur Staple all were on hand.....

xavier mcdaniel

Bathgate66 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

From tortorella's first practice - from newsday

For Brandon Dubinsky and Henrik Lundqvist, the initial practice this morning under new head coach John Tortorella reminded them of something: "The first day of training camp," said Lundqvist. "Yeah, a lot of nervous energy," said Dubinsky. "You want to make a good first impression."

So, first impressions. Here's some of Tortorella's thoughts---and tactical changes---revealed during a 25-minute gathering with writers:

"I have always liked the pressure game. We're gonna try to pressure... We're not trapping. Everybody thinks it's a defensive system; it's a transition mechanism. But I've gotta be careful; I made a major mistake last year with our team in Tampa where I was too aggressive and our D couldn't handle it and it cost us. I made a huge mistake in not changing that a little bit. I waited too long."

****
"I'm going to give Schoney the penalty killing and he's going to handle the D during the games and I'm going to do the power play. I think it's important that the head coach has the power play. You're dealing with a lot of your top people and I think that's an important aspect of a head coach, getting the most out of your top people. You get to converse with them, they see the game differently than the coach does. Obviously if we're going to win it's going to have to produce."

****
"I'm not a four-line guy. Your best players need to be your decision-makers. They're going to get every opportunity to win hockey games for us. They're going to be put in those situations, as long as they show me they're going to be able to compete hard. If they're playing hard, I'm going to send them right back out there."

****

Assistant coach Mike Pelino, who was not on the ice, has been reassigned. "Mike is going to help me in pre-scouting and tape work, hand-in-hand with Jerry Dineen. I talked to him about this and I think we need a clean break. It's nothing to do with Mike. I think it's good (for players) mentally to wipe the slate clean. I've had the trainers take down the standings and all the stats, we'll clean that up and start over. There is going to be a philosophical change here, but there's a couple of good guys who are out and I just don't want them blamed."

****
"I'm not going to stand behind the bench and just calmly go about it. I'm just not built that way. I think honesty is what players want. They're going to get pushed, they're going to be held accountable, and there are going to be some bumps in the road, there may be some conflict along the way, but I don't think we should be afraid of conflict."

****
"I'll be meeting with them one on one, slowly but surely, sometimes on the ice, sometimes on the plane, when it needs to be. I had some major one-on-one battles in an office along the way. And it turns into some conflict. We're not going to overload them with a quarter of the season left. I talked to a couple players today in a casual way. When you put a player in an office, they clam up."

***
"Initally, I just want them to relax a little here. I think the team's been paralyzed with all the things going on with the club....And losing knocks you down. I am gonna push them, but as a coach you have to understand when you need to be with them. I think this is a time to get them to feel decent about themselves. There would be nothing better than a win. I think they're a little bit beat up. This reputation that I just kick the hell out of people takes on a life of its own. I think they need to get a little self confidence."

****
Assistant coach Mike Sullivan will not join the team this season, although Tortorella wanted him here. Tampa balked. So Torts, who worked under Schoenfeld in Phoenix, said the assistant GM is "doing him a favor" and will be behind the bench for the rest of the year. Benoit Allaire will continue mentoring Lundqvist, who Torts called "the best goalie in the league", and Steve Valiquette. Schoenfeld ran yesterday's drills and Tortorella used these lines or versions of them:

nice piece L !

but where are the linbe combos that were cut off at the end ?

still interesting to read nonethel;ess.

whats with Saturdays game ?

Against Colorado?
Its on WPIX Channel 11 ? It took me back about 35 years when i saw that commercial ,....

wow

It took me back to the mid-1980s. If I'm not mistaken the Rangers put a few games on WWOR-TV (Channel 9) back then.

rival.

good reads up above. anyone else find it a bit suspicious that pelino's job was spared? not saying he should have been fired too, but maybe sather got a few key players opinions on who was helping and who was hurting the team from a coach's perspective? if that's the case, a few players may have known renney and pearn would be gone way before it happened.

Bathgate66

yes i thought that was odd also - usually the entire coaching staff is let go ,.....


well, at least maybe now we will see more of petr prucha , .... and maybe less of voros.