I'm not sure the pitching will be enjough to win it all this year.
I'm concerned about Wang. Last year he did well but can he put together a similar performance?
Shef's bat will be missed he was one hell of clutch hitter.
I'm interested in what Bobby can do in a full year in the bronx.
I hope cano can continue to develop as he has.
Should be an exciting season. The sox have great pitching and the blue jays are a good team too. Tough competition in the AL EAST.
hughes sounds really good. do the yanks rush him to the show?
the rotation is horrible. ok, not horrible, but just with a TON of questions that a team with a $180mil+ payroll should not have. they will miss the big unit this year. can mussina do it again at 37/38? wang had an amazing year, but he doesn't K anyone. how will petitte do coming back to the AL? will the 'other' japanese pitcher be any good? will pavano stay healthy for more than a week?
sheff wasn't there for most of last year, but i don't think the offense will suffer much without him, although being another AL team, it must be nice to go through the line-up without having to face him.
abreu should be good for 20/20 at the very least.
i think cano won't nearly be as good this year as he was last year. avg will take a hit for sure.
Dis hughs kid sure is getting alot of postive press da kid gonna have to take a road trip to Scranton to see him pitch for da baby bombers.As far as Bernie goes it sucks hope to see him got out a Yankee though but dats da business of da game.Opening day at da Statium is right around da corner da kid will be def in attendence to keep his steak of 15 years in a row of seeing opening day at Da Stadium.
i saw hughes pitch twice at trenton last year. all the hype is legit. he's a hard thrower, he can locate all his pitches, and he has one of the nastiest curveballs i've ever seen. in the two starts i saw him, he pitched a combined 10 innings and struck out 21 batters.
that being said, i'd rather they keep him at AAA as long as possible. he's only 20. bringing up pitchers at that age hardly ever works out well in the long run... mark prior, kerry wood, dwight gooden, francisco liriano, etc... gotta protect his arm.
the rotation is horrible. ok, not horrible, but just with a TON of questions that a team with a $180mil+ payroll should not have. they will miss the big unit this year. can mussina do it again at 37/38? wang had an amazing year, but he doesn't K anyone. how will petitte do coming back to the AL? will the 'other' japanese pitcher be any good? will pavano stay healthy for more than a week?
yeah, but whose rotation doesn't have question marks? that's the state of baseball right now.
wang was the cy young runner up last year. he's a legitimate #1 starter regardless of strikeout totals. his lack of strikeouts help keep his pitch count down, which allows torre to rest the bullpen when he pitches. every rotation needs a guy like that.
mussina and pettitte are old and possibly past their primes. but i'll take either one in a big spot over most other teams 2 and 3 starters.
pavano and igawa are the two biggest question marks, obviously. pavano has been impressive in camp so far. i have no expectations for igawa.
but the key to the yankees starting pitching this year is their depth. they have seven minor league starting pitchers who project to be ready for the major leagues at some point this season: phil hughes, humberto sanchez, ross ohlendorf, jeff karstens, darrell rasner, steven white, and tyler clippard.
with five major league starters and seven potential replacements, i'm confident that they'll always throw a starter out there who at least gives them a chance to win.
yeah, but whose rotation doesn't have question marks? that's the state of baseball right now.
but the key to the yankees starting pitching this year is their depth. they have seven minor league starting pitchers who project to be ready for the major leagues at some point this season: phil hughes, humberto sanchez, ross ohlendorf, jeff karstens, darrell rasner, steven white, and tyler clippard.
with five major league starters and seven potential replacements, i'm confident that they'll always throw a starter out there who at least gives them a chance to win.
you got me on the first part, but i really hope yankee fans aren't just assuming or hoping that any one of the seven potential replacements can just step in a do a more than passable job.
actually, i do hope that yankee fans think that anyone can step in and do a more than passable job since i'm a sox fan.
Whats the latest on Pavano? I hear he got nailed with a line drive and is having an MRI. Geez, can this guy stay healthy? We still don't know if he can pitch worth a damn, but we do know he can't pitch worth a damn if he is on the DL.
Regarding Wang not striking many guys out:
He was 19-6 last year
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Relax. Alright, don't try to strike everybody out. Strike outs are boring, besides that, they're facist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. So relax, let's have fun OK? It's fun goddamnit!
-- Crash Davis
sooner or later not striking people out will get you in trouble if your fielders don't bail you out.
bad news for abreu - hope that strained oblique doesn't linger.
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Red Sox better watch out for Kei Igawa , who led all of Japan Leagues in strikeouts and who throws a few crazy pitches in his arsenal as well.
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not an A-Rod fan but mark my words....
A-ROD is gonna go off this year. Possible contract year for him, he seems focused and from what I read he's already blasting the hell out of the ball.
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President and Mantle pop up on Topps' gag baseball card
BY ANTHONY McCARRON
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Topps takes a swing at comedy with its Derek Jeter card, digitally adding President Bush and Mickey Mantle.
It's hard to Topps this one: The card company has issued a Derek Jeter baseball card with a smiling President Bush in the stands.
But there's something very wrong with that picture: Bush wasn't really at the game that day.
A not-so-careful analysis of the card makes it clear that Bush was digitally superimposed - his right arm extended in a waving motion and his left arm seemingly missing.
The mischievous elves at Topps then played another version of Where's Waldo - sticking a picture of Mickey Mantle in the dugout.
The Mick is depicted in uniform, holding a bat as though he were back from the dead and preparing to pinch hit.
"Somewhere in between the final proofing and its printing, someone at our company - and we won't name names - thought it would be funny to put in Bush and Mantle," said Clay Luraschi, a spokesman for Topps.
When the cards were proofread, Luraschi said, "We couldn't do anything but laugh.
"Okay, it's in the set and it's funny," Luraschi conceded. "It's caused quite a stir."
Jeter's card, No. 40 in the set, instantly becomes part of the card-collecting hobby's "long tradition of silly little error cards or odd prints that have taken on a lot of mileage in hobby lore," said T.S. O'Connell, the editor of Sports Collector's Digest, a 33-year-old weekly publication.
"For collectors, there's a real giggle factor for something like that," O'Connell said.
It's possible the Jeter card could join cards such as the 1969 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez, which features a photo of a bat boy instead of the Angels infielder, and the 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken, which showed Cal Ripken's little brother holding a bat that had an obscenity scrawled on the handle, as hobby icons.
Of course, as O'Connell says, printing the wacky card is also "benign guerrilla marketing, however it was done, accident or otherwise."
Alex Gregg, owner of Alex's MVP Cards on the upper East Side, said the images of Bush and Mantle could slightly bump up the value of the Jeter card; the card's currently going for about $2 on eBay.
If a collector got both Jeter and Bush to autograph the card, it could send the value skyrocketing, Gregg said.
"It could be worth $500. Who knows?" Gregg said.
While the card has made news in the card collectors' world, Jeter is apparently in the dark.
Asked about the card, Jeter said, "Oh yeah? I haven't heard anything about it. I have no idea."
Luraschi said Topps hasn't heard anything from the Bush administration about the card - even though using the likeness of Bush for a commercial enterprise requires the White House's permission.
A White House spokesman would only say, "I'll decline to comment at this point."
It's unclear whether the card will ever be corrected - Luraschi said a decision hasn't been made whether to erase Bush and Mantle in the cards that will be sold as part of complete sets.
"I'm not sure George has seen the card," Luraschi said. "I'd be happy to send him a box."
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not an A-Rod fan but mark my words....
A-ROD is gonna go off this year. Possible contract year for him, he seems focused and from what I read he's already blasting the hell out of the ball.
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All I care about is whether he does it in the postseason. That's when this team has needed him the most and he has failed the most. Although, in fairness, he isn't the only one who has fallen durring the playoffs over the last few years.
wang was the cy young runner up last year. he's a legitimate #1 starter regardless of strikeout totals. his lack of strikeouts help keep his pitch count down, which allows torre to rest the bullpen when he pitches. every rotation needs a guy like that.
Was Wang really that good last year or really lucky.
Josh Beckett had 19 quality starts and Wang had 18 quality starts.
Lots of runs and a great closer can make you look better than you really are.
I'm not saying Beckett is a better starter than Wang, but Wang is not A #1 starter.
wang was the cy young runner up last year. he's a legitimate #1 starter regardless of strikeout totals. his lack of strikeouts help keep his pitch count down, which allows torre to rest the bullpen when he pitches. every rotation needs a guy like that.
Was Wang really that good last year or really lucky.
Josh Beckett had 19 quality starts and Wang had 18 quality starts.
Lots of runs and a great closer can make you look better than you really are.
I'm not saying Beckett is a better starter than Wang, but Wang is not A #1 starter.
I'm a yankee fan and i like wang... but i like him as our 4th starter.. or perhaps a number 3 guy. Maybe the guy will prove me wrong and I would be happy because i like him on the team and I like him as a player, but in a must win game i'd not bet the farm with wang on the mound
But i don't want to sound negative i think he will have a fine year. i coudl see him easily putting up 13-15 wins this season and being a great contributor.
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Was Wang really that good last year or really lucky.
Josh Beckett had 19 quality starts and Wang had 18 quality starts.
Lots of runs and a great closer can make you look better than you really are.
I'm not saying Beckett is a better starter than Wang, but Wang is not A #1 starter.
a few red sox fans have suggested in this thread that he was lucky last year, but you might think differently if you had watched him pitch on a start-to-start basis. when he's on his game, nobody makes solid contact against him. he'll give up a lot of bloop singles, but very few extra base hits... and he induces a lot of double plays.
i really don't believe that the yankees' run support or closer had much of an impact on his 3.63 ERA (which is a very impressive number for an AL east pitcher). you could make that argument for his win total, but didn't beckett also have a great closer last year? papelbon?
and judging by the fact that he managed to win 16 games despite a 5.01 ERA, i would assume that beckett had more than his fair share of run support as well.
and the only reason beckett isn't a yankee right now because they refused to give up wang for him. a good decision, i think.
you can argue against wang as a true number one if you want. but in an era where good pitching is hard to find, i'll gladly take a guy like that (19-6, 3.63 ERA, cy young runner up) as my number one.
It's possible the Jeter card could join cards such as the 1969 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez, which features a photo of a bat boy instead of the Angels infielder, and the 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken, which showed Cal Ripken's little brother holding a bat that had an obscenity scrawled on the handle, as hobby icons.
lol... the infamous billy ripken "FUCK FACE" card. one of my all time favorites. i think i still have it somewhere.
lol... the infamous billy ripken "FUCK FACE" card. one of my all time favorites. i think i still have it somewhere.
hilarious
you have got to scan that image for us,...
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The misconception about Wang is that he's a softtosser because he doesn't strike people out. But he consistently throws 93, 94, and can even get it up there to 96 on occasion
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When is the first full spring training game? I read that Pavano will see his first action Sunday against Philly. Between him and Igawa, no one knows what to expect this season. I still think Hughes will be up by the All Star Break.
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If his curveball and fastball are as good as advertised he can be in porn in the offseason and i won't care
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hughes sounds really good. do the yanks rush him to the show?
the rotation is horrible. ok, not horrible, but just with a TON of questions that a team with a $180mil+ payroll should not have. they will miss the big unit this year. can mussina do it again at 37/38? wang had an amazing year, but he doesn't K anyone. how will petitte do coming back to the AL? will the 'other' japanese pitcher be any good? will pavano stay healthy for more than a week?
sheff wasn't there for most of last year, but i don't think the offense will suffer much without him, although being another AL team, it must be nice to go through the line-up without having to face him.
abreu should be good for 20/20 at the very least.
i think cano won't nearly be as good this year as he was last year. avg will take a hit for sure.
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i saw hughes pitch twice at trenton last year. all the hype is legit. he's a hard thrower, he can locate all his pitches, and he has one of the nastiest curveballs i've ever seen. in the two starts i saw him, he pitched a combined 10 innings and struck out 21 batters.
that being said, i'd rather they keep him at AAA as long as possible. he's only 20. bringing up pitchers at that age hardly ever works out well in the long run... mark prior, kerry wood, dwight gooden, francisco liriano, etc... gotta protect his arm.
yeah, but whose rotation doesn't have question marks? that's the state of baseball right now.
wang was the cy young runner up last year. he's a legitimate #1 starter regardless of strikeout totals. his lack of strikeouts help keep his pitch count down, which allows torre to rest the bullpen when he pitches. every rotation needs a guy like that.
mussina and pettitte are old and possibly past their primes. but i'll take either one in a big spot over most other teams 2 and 3 starters.
pavano and igawa are the two biggest question marks, obviously. pavano has been impressive in camp so far. i have no expectations for igawa.
but the key to the yankees starting pitching this year is their depth. they have seven minor league starting pitchers who project to be ready for the major leagues at some point this season: phil hughes, humberto sanchez, ross ohlendorf, jeff karstens, darrell rasner, steven white, and tyler clippard.
with five major league starters and seven potential replacements, i'm confident that they'll always throw a starter out there who at least gives them a chance to win.
you got me on the first part, but i really hope yankee fans aren't just assuming or hoping that any one of the seven potential replacements can just step in a do a more than passable job.
actually, i do hope that yankee fans think that anyone can step in and do a more than passable job since i'm a sox fan.
Regarding Wang not striking many guys out:
He was 19-6 last year
Relax. Alright, don't try to strike everybody out. Strike outs are boring, besides that, they're facist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic. So relax, let's have fun OK? It's fun goddamnit!
-- Crash Davis
sooner or later not striking people out will get you in trouble if your fielders don't bail you out.
bad news for abreu - hope that strained oblique doesn't linger.
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dont believe the hype. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Red Sox better watch out for Kei Igawa , who led all of Japan Leagues in strikeouts and who throws a few crazy pitches in his arsenal as well.
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the guy hasn't seen an infirmary he doesn't like. him and Pavano must hang out together.
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A-ROD is gonna go off this year. Possible contract year for him, he seems focused and from what I read he's already blasting the hell out of the ball.
Monster year
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New Derek Jeter Collectible Topps Card
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/501111p-422573c.html
President and Mantle pop up on Topps' gag baseball card
BY ANTHONY McCARRON
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Topps takes a swing at comedy with its Derek Jeter card, digitally adding President Bush and Mickey Mantle.
It's hard to Topps this one: The card company has issued a Derek Jeter baseball card with a smiling President Bush in the stands.
But there's something very wrong with that picture: Bush wasn't really at the game that day.
A not-so-careful analysis of the card makes it clear that Bush was digitally superimposed - his right arm extended in a waving motion and his left arm seemingly missing.
The mischievous elves at Topps then played another version of Where's Waldo - sticking a picture of Mickey Mantle in the dugout.
The Mick is depicted in uniform, holding a bat as though he were back from the dead and preparing to pinch hit.
"Somewhere in between the final proofing and its printing, someone at our company - and we won't name names - thought it would be funny to put in Bush and Mantle," said Clay Luraschi, a spokesman for Topps.
When the cards were proofread, Luraschi said, "We couldn't do anything but laugh.
"Okay, it's in the set and it's funny," Luraschi conceded. "It's caused quite a stir."
Jeter's card, No. 40 in the set, instantly becomes part of the card-collecting hobby's "long tradition of silly little error cards or odd prints that have taken on a lot of mileage in hobby lore," said T.S. O'Connell, the editor of Sports Collector's Digest, a 33-year-old weekly publication.
"For collectors, there's a real giggle factor for something like that," O'Connell said.
It's possible the Jeter card could join cards such as the 1969 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez, which features a photo of a bat boy instead of the Angels infielder, and the 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken, which showed Cal Ripken's little brother holding a bat that had an obscenity scrawled on the handle, as hobby icons.
Of course, as O'Connell says, printing the wacky card is also "benign guerrilla marketing, however it was done, accident or otherwise."
Alex Gregg, owner of Alex's MVP Cards on the upper East Side, said the images of Bush and Mantle could slightly bump up the value of the Jeter card; the card's currently going for about $2 on eBay.
If a collector got both Jeter and Bush to autograph the card, it could send the value skyrocketing, Gregg said.
"It could be worth $500. Who knows?" Gregg said.
While the card has made news in the card collectors' world, Jeter is apparently in the dark.
Asked about the card, Jeter said, "Oh yeah? I haven't heard anything about it. I have no idea."
Luraschi said Topps hasn't heard anything from the Bush administration about the card - even though using the likeness of Bush for a commercial enterprise requires the White House's permission.
A White House spokesman would only say, "I'll decline to comment at this point."
It's unclear whether the card will ever be corrected - Luraschi said a decision hasn't been made whether to erase Bush and Mantle in the cards that will be sold as part of complete sets.
"I'm not sure George has seen the card," Luraschi said. "I'd be happy to send him a box."
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they want to know if it's too early for this joke
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All I care about is whether he does it in the postseason. That's when this team has needed him the most and he has failed the most. Although, in fairness, he isn't the only one who has fallen durring the playoffs over the last few years.
I'm a yankee fan and i like wang... but i like him as our 4th starter.. or perhaps a number 3 guy. Maybe the guy will prove me wrong and I would be happy because i like him on the team and I like him as a player, but in a must win game i'd not bet the farm with wang on the mound
But i don't want to sound negative i think he will have a fine year. i coudl see him easily putting up 13-15 wins this season and being a great contributor.
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a few red sox fans have suggested in this thread that he was lucky last year, but you might think differently if you had watched him pitch on a start-to-start basis. when he's on his game, nobody makes solid contact against him. he'll give up a lot of bloop singles, but very few extra base hits... and he induces a lot of double plays.
i really don't believe that the yankees' run support or closer had much of an impact on his 3.63 ERA (which is a very impressive number for an AL east pitcher). you could make that argument for his win total, but didn't beckett also have a great closer last year? papelbon?
and judging by the fact that he managed to win 16 games despite a 5.01 ERA, i would assume that beckett had more than his fair share of run support as well.
and the only reason beckett isn't a yankee right now because they refused to give up wang for him. a good decision, i think.
you can argue against wang as a true number one if you want. but in an era where good pitching is hard to find, i'll gladly take a guy like that (19-6, 3.63 ERA, cy young runner up) as my number one.
dammit... you win this round...
c'mon guys, we have to be better than that...
EDIT: you'll notice in my posts that i have specifically avoided this type of language.
lol... the infamous billy ripken "FUCK FACE" card. one of my all time favorites. i think i still have it somewhere.
hilarious
you have got to scan that image for us,...
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