mitchell list with the names here

Champagne Breakfast

Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this. The thing is Jose Canseco. He' goes nuts yesterday trying to get in like this is a big joke and he's the poster boy. Then he opens his idiotic mouth and flips out that A-Rod's name was not on the list and also says the list was incomplete and did not have some big name guys on it. He also hints a second book where he's gonna name a new batch of juice users.

Who does this disgrace think he is. Here's a guy who cheated his entire life, treated people and women like crap, is total scum, and now he's trying to ruin it for everyone else. What a poor excuse of a man.

NY PJ1

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this. The thing is Jose Canseco. He' goes nuts yesterday trying to get in like this is a big joke and he's the poster boy. Then he opens his idiotic mouth and flips out that A-Rod's name was not on the list and also says the list was incomplete and did not have some big name guys on it. He also hints a second book where he's gonna name a new batch of juice users.

Who does this disgrace think he is. Here's a guy who cheated his entire life, treated people and women like crap, is total scum, and now he's trying to ruin it for everyone else. What a poor excuse of a man.

the book is coming out in spring training lol

Steve Dunne

Pettitte. I can't believe it. Andy Pettitte.

And Chuck Knoblach? Didn't the guy go through enough with not being about to throw a guy out from second base that he has to have his name on this list???

NY PJ1

Steve Dunne wrote:

Pettitte. I can't believe it. Andy Pettitte.

And Chuck Knoblach? Didn't the guy go through enough with not being about to throw a guy out from second base that he has to have his name on this list???

he lost control of his arm muscles from the juice,,it all makes sense now

Steve Dunne

NY PJ1 wrote:

he lost control of his arm muscles from the juice,,it all makes sense now

yup. sad if this is true.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

so now that we know Clemens is a fucking steroid freak.....

where does greg maddux now stand in the list of best pitchers in the last 25-30 years?????

aspoonfulweighsaton

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this. The thing is Jose Canseco. He' goes nuts yesterday trying to get in like this is a big joke and he's the poster boy. Then he opens his idiotic mouth and flips out that A-Rod's name was not on the list and also says the list was incomplete and did not have some big name guys on it. He also hints a second book where he's gonna name a new batch of juice users.

Who does this disgrace think he is. Here's a guy who cheated his entire life, treated people and women like crap, is total scum, and now he's trying to ruin it for everyone else. What a poor excuse of a man.

While I'm not saying it's right, imagine if everyone else was doing what you were but you were one of the only ones accused of it. I'd be pretty pissed off about it and could see it being easy to sell everyone else out.

And he's going to have WAY more info and details than that Mitchell report and be more honest about it, so I hope he keeps coming out with more and more names.

Poncier

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

so now that we know Clemens is a fucking steroid freak.....

where does greg maddux now stand in the list of best pitchers in the last 25-30 years?????

Right where he's always been, at the top.

Poncier

aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:

While I'm not saying it's right, imagine if everyone else was doing what you were but you were one of the only ones accused of it. I'd be pretty pissed off about it and could see it being easy to sell everyone else out.

And he's going to have WAY more info and details than that Mitchell report and be more honest about it, so I hope he keeps coming out with more and more names.

Plus he's far more intersting to listen to than George Mitchell...being in the car in ridiculous snow traffic and listening to Mitchell drone on for nearly an hour was painful...just tell us names dude.

FnCircus

Champagne Breakfast wrote:

Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this. The thing is Jose Canseco. He' goes nuts yesterday trying to get in like this is a big joke and he's the poster boy. Then he opens his idiotic mouth and flips out that A-Rod's name was not on the list and also says the list was incomplete and did not have some big name guys on it. He also hints a second book where he's gonna name a new batch of juice users..

as much as I am not a Jose fan, I must say, I am glad at least he is trying to blow the whole thing up instead of picking a poster boy (Bonds) and everyone is happy. every guilty roid ranger should be accountable and not just a few.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

the best name on the list was todd hundley.....

that fucking piece of crap made $47 million in his career ........

all because of 2 seasons he had with the mets....where he was OBVIOUSLY on the juice.....

FnCircus

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

where does greg maddux now stand in the list of best pitchers in the last 25-30 years?????

Maddux wasn't on the list??????............:eek:

aspoonfulweighsaton

F'n_Circus wrote:

Maddux wasn't on the list??????............:eek:

Well, keep in mind that he didn't have a direct link to New York which is what this report focused on given the nature of the sources.

He may be on one of many other lists that will be released before all is said and done.

orig_long red

think about this ... the two "dealers" used in this investigation were based in New York, thats why so many names have Yankees/Mets connections. I would imagine that there are many more of these trainers out there spread across the country, and that would most likely implicate hundreds of more players from the sport. this is only the tip of the 'roid-berg.

if they decide to push forward with and even more far-reaching investigation, be prepared to hear many more names, and those names will likely be huge.

this is a regional thing. you get a guy based in St. Louis, for example, you're then going to hear about players in Chicago, Kansas City, Cleveland, etc, etc, etc. Same with the West coast, the southeast, and on and on and on.

Fighting Hellfish

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

so now that we know Clemens is a fucking steroid freak.....

where does greg maddux now stand in the list of best pitchers in the last 25-30 years?????

"We know" is a bit strong. There is zero evidence, just the word of a guy who:

was found having sex with a comatose woman, who had been given GHB, the date rape drug

fired by Clemens

who was told by federal investigators "give us some names, or we'll start looking hard at you as a steroid dealer"


David Justice has already come out saying McNamee was lying. Mc said Justice came to him looking for HGH, Justice says when he was traded to the Yankees, Mc sought him out in the locker room and told him that he knew Justice had a few nagging injuries, and that he should take some HGH to get ove rthem. Justice admits to being interested until he found out it required needles. he says he never took it, but if it had been a pill, he probably would have

The Champ

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

"We know" is a bit strong. There is zero evidence, just the word of a guy who:

was found having sex with a comatose woman, who had been given GHB, the date rape drug

fired by Clemens

who was told by federal investigators "give us some names, or we'll start looking hard at you as a steroid dealer"


David Justice has already come out saying McNamee was lying. Mc said Justice came to him looking for HGH, Justice says when he was traded to the Yankees, Mc sought him out in the locker room and told him that he knew Justice had a few nagging injuries, and that he should take some HGH to get ove rthem. Justice admits to being interested until he found out it required needles. he says he never took it, but if it had been a pill, he probably would have

Just accept it, Clemens did it and he always was and always will be a big headed selfish motherfucking asshole..and about Justice, "he never took it, but if it had been a pill, he probably would have." So does he really expect us to believe this nonsense? Little needle in the butt hurts big bad baseball player, waaa..what an asshole comment.....guilty too..

aspoonfulweighsaton

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

"We know" is a bit strong. There is zero evidence, just the word of a guy who:

was found having sex with a comatose woman, who had been given GHB, the date rape drug

fired by Clemens

who was told by federal investigators "give us some names, or we'll start looking hard at you as a steroid dealer"


David Justice has already come out saying McNamee was lying. Mc said Justice came to him looking for HGH, Justice says when he was traded to the Yankees, Mc sought him out in the locker room and told him that he knew Justice had a few nagging injuries, and that he should take some HGH to get ove rthem. Justice admits to being interested until he found out it required needles. he says he never took it, but if it had been a pill, he probably would have

The biggest reason that I'm not questioning any of the information that was in the report is simple.

Mitchell made it clear that he personally contacted EVERY player named in the report prior to it being released and gave them the opportunity to tell their side, and absolutely none of them agreed when they knew it would be coming out.

If they were innocent why on earth would they just let it go knowing their careers would be questioned by everyone?

Doesn't make sense except for the fact that they were all guilty and they knew it.

The Champ

aspoonfulweighsaton wrote:

The biggest reason that I'm not questioning any of the information that was in the report is simple.

Mitchell made it clear that he personally contacted EVERY player named in the report prior to it being released and gave them the opportunity to tell their side, and absolutely none of them agreed when they knew it would be coming out.

If they were innocent why on earth would they just let it go knowing their careers would be questioned by everyone?

Doesn't make sense except for the fact that they were all guilty and they knew it.

And there is no legitimate reason to question the credibility of Mitchell..

Phantom Pain

Ledbetterus wrote:

Honestly this report is becoming an urban legend.

You know one of those "my brother's ex-girlfriend's roommate during her second year of med school in Russia said this about that guy!".

Honestly, the only thing that is the absolute truth in this report is the fact that it was written by George Mitchell. Every thing else is hearsay and until hard evidence is shown, nothing is in stone.

Keep in mind that the people that Mitchell talked to are pretty much going to jail for a while, one has to wonder how much time they cut off of their sentences by naming names.

Hell, I'd say the Pope took steroids if it meant knocking a few years off of a Federal prison sentence.

Canceled checks and copies of receipts isn't evidence ?

Fighting Hellfish

The Champ wrote:

Just accept it, Clemens did it and he always was and always will be a big headed selfish motherfucking asshole..and about Justice, "he never took it, but if it had been a pill, he probably would have." So does he really expect us to believe this nonsense? Little needle in the butt hurts big bad baseball player, waaa..what an asshole comment.....guilty too..

I won't "just accept it", not without proof. McNamee's word is worthless. I'd be the first guy to proclaim Clemens a fraud if anything were proven. I could tell everyone on this board that I injected The Champ with every steroid known to man, and a few not known to man. It's my word against yours. And now it's up to you to prove that I didn't. Go ahead, prove I didn't