patriots are a bunch of CHEATERS !!!

Poncier

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

the refs cheat for them too...remember the forward pass in that raider playoff game in the snow years ago. that no doubt was a fucking fumble and the raiders got robbed out of a super bowl.

The refs called it exactly as the rule book stated. The rule was changed thereafter so the refs did not cheat, and the Raiders would have gotten destroyed in Pittsburgh the following week had the call gone the other way.

nowayimfaithfull

Poncier wrote:

Pretty much my point earlier. Its something teams do, Mangini knew the Pats do it cause he used to do it with them and does it with the Jets.
In the end, more than the Pats being "cheaters" you'll likely find that Mangini broke an unwritten coaching rule and ratted out a common practice cause he was upset at getting his ass handed to him on opening weekend. Dumb move by a young coach.

I hate to bash mangini, because I like him, and the jets, and bellichek is a dickhead, but that still doesnt change what it was.

I heard the news in my sleep, and the first thing I thought of was the kids. I coach youth travel soccer and kids really look up to pros, in my daughters class tons of kids wear pats shit, so I was like what does this show them, after I looked at the facts I was like fuck the media for blowing this up, wrong measage. wrong word, not cheaters.
The pats are just obbsessed with winning, and will do what it takes.

somebodyelsessky2020

Poncier wrote:

The refs called it exactly as the rule book stated. The rule was changed thereafter so the refs did not cheat, and the Raiders would have gotten destroyed in Pittsburgh the following week had the call gone the other way.

yeah ok whatever. i can see clear as day 20/20 and the raiders would have crushed pittsburgh that year. after all they beat the super bowl champs of that year in their own house...just didn't get credit for it..oh and in the snow. A LOS ANGELES TEAM IN A BLIZZARD.

g under p

my2hands wrote:

they cheated. period.

i hope they have a major fine and take at least 2 first round picks.

the NFL has to make an example of this. they have to send a message to the other teams that it is not worth cheating like this. especially in todays highly advanced technological world. the possibilities are endless. i have always wondered if some teams have found a way to listen in to the radio between the QB and coach?

my friend told me yesterday that the NFL has been voting yearly to have 1 defensive player allowed to have a helmet radio, like they do on offense. alot of teams want this and vote for it, apparently the patriots have voted against it every time. and now we see why.

fucking cheaters

Whine, Whine, Whine, Bitch, Bitch, Bitch....This thread is all about whining and crying foul. Like the Patriots are the only team that does this. Hell the Jets coach learned it from Belck and he knew what was happening and just wanted to cover/deflect his opening day defeat at HOME.

After the Patriots are fined, draft picks taken away you'll be right back here whining and bitching all over again. The Patriots ruined your season after one fucking game give it rest.

Peace

Poncier

somebodyelse'ssky wrote:

yeah ok whatever. i can see clear as day 20/20 and the raiders would have crushed pittsburgh that year. after all they beat the super bowl champs of that year in their own house...just didn't get credit for it..oh and in the snow. A LOS ANGELES TEAM IN A BLIZZARD.

And they proved it so well the following year against Tampa.

nowayimfaithfull

reffing is a whole other situation, it is fucking horrible on all levels.

A team who is well oiled and burning on all cylinders has more of this going on than you think because they are more organized and ahead of the pack in the basic areas.
The pats have great play calling
a deep bench
a great qb, and team leaders.
Come game day their arent many changes, they do this as protocall, and it may help here and there, but they dont let it effect their game unless an opposing coach is not doing their job.

somebodyelsessky2020

Poncier wrote:

And they proved it so well the following year against Tampa.

Whole new year...non-relevant to my point.

blackredyellow

Poncier wrote:

And Mangini was the one who instituted the use of the camera when he was with NE, how do you think he knew exactly what to tell the league they'd find.

Is that a know fact or is that just something brought up to defend what they did?

There is also an unexplained issue with the radio frequencies that the patriots were using that game.

I could care less, I don't like either team, but it is a classless thing to do, no matter how prevalent it is. I hope more teams get busted doing this type of thing.

Poncier

blackredyellow wrote:

There is also an unexplained issue with the radio frequencies that the patriots were using that game.

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Note how close "mangini" is to "marconi"

bostonlou

we're still winning it all this year

so suck it





and yes that is my only defense of this crap

bostonlou

What if the rules only say that you can't have a guy with a camera on YOUR sideline?

so BB put it on THEIR sideline?

huh??

huh??

my2hands

g under p wrote:

Whine, Whine, Whine, Bitch, Bitch, Bitch....This thread is all about whining and crying foul. Like the Patriots are the only team that does this. Hell the Jets coach learned it from Belck and he knew what was happening and just wanted to cover/deflect his opening day defeat at HOME.

After the Patriots are fined, draft picks taken away you'll be right back here whining and bitching all over again. The Patriots ruined your season after one fucking game give it rest.

Peace

they cheated

get over it

macgyver06

this isnt a huge deal..its like stealing signs in baseball...and spying at camps and practices and even in the game has been going on forever...you all are out of your element...


and for the record..ima raiders fan so... not too biased.

Poncier

macgyver06 wrote:

this isnt a huge deal..its like stealing signs in baseball...and spying at camps and practices and even in the game has been going on forever...you all are out of your element...


and for the record..ima raiders fan so... not too biased.

Its just being blown out of proportion by the Mark Schlereth's of the world.

my2hands

Solat13 wrote:

Honestly, that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on here. Vince Lombardi's playbook was 2 sides of 1 piece of paper. Teams knew exactly that he was going to run the power sweep over and over and over. And he still won 5 titles ... why because of his players execution on the field.

Look at the Eagles against the Saints last year in the playoffs. Everyone knew they were going to kill the clock with Duece McCallistar running dive plays at the end of the game. Correct my memory, but did the Eagles stop him short of a first down or did the Saints run the clock out?

Seriously, knowing the plays or tendencies is all fine and dandy but worthless if your team can't execute.

wow, i have seen some dumb shit on here, and you think this is up there? :eek:

tell the ravens what plays your running, and you wont score. tell the colts what defense you are running, and they score 50.

that doesnt seem to dumb to me.

ps... lombardis packers would lose by 30 to the patriots or colts... 9 out of 10 times


and if it doesnt matter... then why closed pratices, top secret playbooks, masking signs, decoy signs, etc, etc? why would the NFL care if they are taping? why doesn't p.manning just yell out at the line to harrison "15 yard curl"? because that shit would get picked off, thats why


this is the NFL, not pop warner or high school. these are world premier athletes, tell 11 of them what you are going to run and it will not work, ever.

IMO, of course

Solat13

my2hands wrote:

wow, i have seen some dumb shit on here, and you think this is up there? :eek:

tell the ravens what plays your running, and you wont score. tell the colts what defense you are running, and they score 50.

that doesnt seem to dumb to me.

ps... lombardis packers would lose by 30 to the patriots or colts... 9 out of 10 times

and if it doesnt matter... then why closed pratices, top secret playbooks, masking signs, decoy signs, etc, etc? why would the NFL care if they are taping? why doesn't p.manning just yell out at the line to harrison "15 yard curl"? because that shit would get picked off, thats why

So if the Eagles knew the Saints were going to give the ball to Duece to run the clock out last year after inexplicably punting because Andy Reid is a moron and that they couldn't stop the run at all, are you saying that the Eagles just suck or that knowing the play and executing the play are two different things.

g under p

My2Hands wrote:

they cheated

get over it

g under p wrote:

Whine, Whine, Whine, Bitch, Bitch, Bitch....This thread is all about whining and crying foul. Like the Patriots are the only team that does this. Hell the Jets coach learned it from Belck and he knew what was happening and just wanted to cover/deflect his opening day defeat at HOME.

After the Patriots are fined, draft picks taken away you'll be right back here whining and bitching all over again. The Patriots ruined your season after one fucking game give it rest.

Peace

I'm over it I couldn't careless. It's all this whining and bitching, it won't bring back a win for J E T S. So that's why I've said when the Jets come to NE take out whatever anger and frustration on the Pats then.

You should be happy with the outcome then.

Peace

my2hands

Solat13 wrote:

So if the Eagles knew the Saints were going to give the ball to Duece to run the clock out last year after inexplicably punting because Andy Reid is a moron and that they couldn't stop the run at all, are you saying that the Eagles just suck or that knowing the play and executing the play are two different things.

if the eagles knew exactly what play they were running, who was getting the ball, and which hole he was hitting.

yes, they would have stuffed it. easily.

remeber switzer running the exact play twice? stuffed! and that was emmit smith with the best line of the last 20 years

so your tellinge me, that tom brady knowing what exact defense the jets are running doesnt help? puhlease

bostonlou

my2hands wrote:

if the eagles knew exactly what play they were running, who was getting the ball, and which hole he was hitting.

yes, they would have stuffed it. easily.

remeber switzer running the exact play twice? stuffed! and that was emmit smith with the best line of the last 20 years

so your tellinge me, that tom brady knowing what exact defense the jets are running doesnt help? puhlease

tom brady also having 7 seconds to throw might of helped

i was wondering how they picked up EVERY blitz

as i said before

oopsie

Danimal

my2hands wrote:

if NFL teams always stole signs and knew what the other defense was running all the time, the scores would always be in the 40's

or vice versa, if they knew what the offensive play was all the time, teams would never score.

No.