Uncontacted Tribes Found & Photographed

know1

Restless Soul wrote:

I think you misunderstood me. I just said that because you mentioned govt sponsored healthcare and education for americans but their government is in Brazil not the states!

Personally I think they should be left alone to live their lives their way. I expect they've known about the outside world to some extent for ages but what they mostly see is the destruction of their land and homes. Why should they want to be part of this world anyway?

I agree. My first post was sarcastic. It seems as if some of the people who advocate leaving them along are proponents of not leaving other people alone. The only difference being geographic.

Byrnzie

MrSmith wrote:

would walking in and saying hi constitute forcing our ways on them? kinda ridiculous.

Its pointless anyway. Their are billions of us and there will be billions more in a few decades. If they dont build up some immunities soon (by interacting with us less shamanistic types), they are doomed to extinction.

Firstly, missionaries don't just walk in and say hi! They spread disease and force them to abandon their own cultural beliefs e.t.c. Loggers don't just walk in and say hi either. They shoot them dead if they refuse to move out of their way.
As for there being 'billions of us'...maybe, but then I don't see many people relocating to the middle of the Amazon rainforest. I'm not sure there's any prime real-estate in the middle of the jungle as we speak.

MrSmith wrote:

Animals survive by changing with the environment, not retreating into smaller and smaller areas that dont change.

And you think that we in the West have adapted to our natural environment in any way shape or form? Sorry to break it to ya, but the last time I looked we were seriously fucking up our environment, whilst continuing to 'retreat' into bigger and bigger cities. Not really looking too good for us is it.

Byrnzie

know1 wrote:

I'm trying to look at things from a wider perspective. Perhaps others in the thread might recognize the correlation.

There is no correlation. You just attempted to make an analogy, and it happened to be a very poor one.

Byrnzie

know1 wrote:

The only difference being geographic.

And cultural.

LikeAnOcean

See, this is why I post this kind of stuff on the AET. Everything here somehow manages to turn into a fucking argument..

My thread was better..

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286771

know1

Byrnzie wrote:

There is no correlation. You just attempted to make an analogy, and it happened to be a very poor one.

We all have opinions. I respect yours even if I disagree with it.

know1

Byrnzie wrote:

Firstly, missionaries don't just walk in and say hi! They spread disease and force them to abandon their own cultural beliefs e.t.c. Loggers don't just walk in and say hi either. They shoot them dead if they refuse to move out of their way.
As for there being 'billions of us'...maybe, but then I don't see many people relocating to the middle of the Amazon rainforest. I'm not sure there's any prime real-estate in the middle of the jungle as we speak.



And you think that we in the West have adapted to our natural environment in any way shape or form? Sorry to break it to ya, but the last time I looked we were seriously fucking up our environment, whilst continuing to 'retreat' into bigger and bigger cities. Not really looking too good for us is it.

Can you really force someone to change their cultural beliefs? Isn't that a choice.

Also, wouldn't you agree that changing cultural beliefs isn't always a bad thing?

I can't disagree with you about the disease, though.

know1

LikeAnOcean wrote:

See, this is why I post this kind of stuff on the AET. Everything here somehow manages to turn into a fucking argument..

My thread was better..

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286771

Should we not be allowed to debate?

LikeAnOcean

know1 wrote:

Should we not be allowed to debate?

I don't see what's to debate? How are these people thousands of miles away affecting us to where we need to argue?

Shit, now you got me arguing about arguing.

I read the article and thought, cool..

know1

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I don't see what's to debate? How are these people thousands of miles away effecting us to where we need to argue?

Shit, now you got me arguing about arguing.

They're affecting us enough to post about it on the internet. Sorry to drag you down!

angelica

know1 wrote:

Can you really force someone to change their cultural beliefs? Isn't that a choice.

Also, wouldn't you agree that changing cultural beliefs isn't always a bad thing?

Adding to one's cultural beliefs/ways is perfectly fine. It's important we embrace the cultural beliefs we are ingrained with as they are a part of us. We don't have to be attached to them, but rather in harmony and at peace with our own.

On the other hand, convincing someone that their way is wrong and attempting to implant one's beliefs upon another can create ill-health and imbalance. That's about abuse of power. Coercing someone to make a choice is unhealthy.

reznors edge

69charger wrote:

He's making a joke. You may not find it funny. Some do, myself included. If the OP was revealed to be Carlos Mencia the rest of you would be laughing too because then it would be "ok".

no, I still wouldn't be laughing. FYI Mencia is no Mexican either. He just likes to pretend he's one to capitalize on the success of other Mexican comedians. I find your comments very insensitive.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Turn one of those huts into a Taco Bell and see how often they start eating there...

soon enough they'll all be aimlessly wandering around looking for lotto tickets to scratch, and mumbling "biggie size combo" repeatedly.

Now THAT'S progress!

NMyTree

Never ceases to amaze me the lack of a sense of humor, by some people.

Mexicans.....hahaha! That was some funny stuff. .

LikeAnOcean

NMyTree wrote:

Never ceases to amaze me the lack of a sense of humor, by some people.

Mexicans.....hahaha! That was some funny stuff. .

I don't get it.

If these people lived on farms with straw hats and played in mariachi bands then it would make sense.

These are native south Americans who live thousands of miles away from Mexico. It's like calling them Canadians or Chinese or something and somehow thinking its funny.

IndianSummer

Urban Hiker wrote:

I would bet money that religious missionaries will be asking for directions to these tribes immediately. :rolleyes:

you would win your bet easily.

IndianSummer

Urban Hiker wrote:

I'm with you, but fear they won't be able to resist fresh blood.

they never could.....they'll do anything....for a few souls more, you know

IndianSummer

Byrnzie wrote:

Although I know how hard that is to do for many Americans.

haha...

jeffbr

know1 wrote:

Leave them alone?!!

Shouldn't we attack them with forced, government-sponsored education and healthcare??

After all, those are the main planks that our politicians run on. Why is OK to force those things on Americans, but not a tribe in Peru?

I know you got some stick for this earlier, but I understand your point. And as a libertarian, I'd like all governments to leave all people alone.

Governments are certainly into social/cultural engineering, telling us who we can hire, what we can't ingest, who we can't marry, what we can't say, prohibitting us from entering into mutually agreed upon contracts if it is something they don't like, taxing us for doing things they don't want us to do while providing subsidies for doing things they want us to do.

So I get your point that it is hypocritical for some people to say that they wish the tribal culture was protected from their national government, and at the same time support a Republican or Democrat for President here knowing that both parties are interested in growing government, stealing liberty, and continuing their cultural engineering.

NMyTree

69charger wrote:

He's making a joke. You may not find it funny. Some do, myself included. If the OP was revealed to be Carlos Mencia the rest of you would be laughing too because then it would be "ok".

Mencia is not Mexican. That's what makes it even funnier.