It is one of those times I need to get the full impact of the whole thing by reminding myself that I am not watching Apocolypto (spell check??sorry if I screwed that up........) and that these are real people living NOW, you know? It puts my sorry complaints in a bit of a different light.
That is always a good thing.............
but yes, this was amazing and I am sure there are things we don't know about as well going on in the world like this. that is so cool; that there are things that we know nothing about that will make it interesting to see.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Thats the definition for "SAVAGE", not "NOBLE savage".
You still have yet to get that straight.
Well, Tybrid was saying they aren't.
And Tybrid would be in the company of many good philosphers in recent history who have argued against the romanticized notion of a "noble savage".
Uh. "Agreed"?
Now you've just reversed 180 and agreed with the guy you called a racist two posts.
"Why use the phrase"?
Well, it seemed to change your mind.
Lol.
I still don't think you really get it.
Is there ANY one else out there that can jump in and deflect some of this heat, and help get a rational argument out to help explain this?
This is just silly.
All Tybrid did was respond to someone who was idealizing the life of "native" or "indigenous" tribal peoples. His response merely asserted that there is no such thing as a "noble savage".
In his argument, he reference an (apparently not so) well known literary term.
Why he got called a racist, and a savage hick for his remarkably literate comment is beyond me.
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Why this has become more than my simple question , 'why do you think these people are savage?...' is beyond me.
To use the term noble savage, in reference to these people, holds a certain inference...savage was still the term used.
i bet if i drove up in a car and showed them my Ipod they wouldnt want to stay in the jungle. It would be there choice. who am i to say they should stay hidden if they dont want to.
Why this has become more than my simple question , 'why do you think these people are savage?...' is beyond me.
To use the term noble savage, in reference to these people, holds a certain inference...savage was still the term used.
The term "noble savage" is a historical term for those who used to romanticize the aboriginals. When the term was coined, aboriginals were referred to as "savages" yet a whole mythology was created mainly to glorify them even if it was inaccurate.
i bet if i drove up in a car and showed them my Ipod they wouldnt want to stay in the jungle. It would be there choice. who am i to say they should stay hidden if they dont want to.
The term "noble savage" is a historical term for those who used to romanticize the aboriginals. When the term was coined, aboriginals were referred to as "savages" yet a whole mythology was created mainly to glorify them even if it was inaccurate.
sounds like an outdated term used for any number of reasons.
i dont know the answer here, but there is something disturbing to me about keeping these people isolated. They aren't animals for cryin out loud. If i were in one of these tribes and saw brief glimpses of some incredibly advanced civilization, i'd want to know about it.
so these fuckers are going to burn in hell for eternity because they don't lick jesus' balls?
poor mexicans
Every time I took communion growing up it felt like I was being sodomized by the pope......but that's probably best left to another thread.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i dont know the answer here, but there is something disturbing to me about keeping these people isolated. They aren't animals for cryin out loud. If i were in one of these tribes and saw brief glimpses of some incredibly advanced civilization, i'd want to know about it.
you hear me, aliens?
what do you think they are talking about after the helicopter buzzed them?
why do you consider these people to be "savage"? just curious...
It's just the phrase that has been used for hundreds of years to describe people who one group consider uncivilized...no personal input on my part...just using the cultural reference.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
It's just the phrase that has been used for hundreds of years to describe people who one group consider uncivilized...no personal input on my part...just using the cultural reference.
it wasn't a racist remark, for crying out loud.
settle down.
go read what "noble savage" means.
first, "savage" as implicated in the term "noble savage" is a reference to ANY peoples who do not have contact with "modern" life and contrivances.
Tybird is just refuting another poster who is insinuating that these people are "at one with the living world".
That reference directly envokes the notion of "the noble savage", which is a literary term.
His response about there being no such thing as a noble savage was an etymological reference to the term, not some racist remark.
settle the fuck down, and understand what you are talking about before you start insulting people and jumping up and down like a raving looney.
jesus, people.
like i said.
Read. RESEARCH. THEN respond.
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Yes...exactly...the "noble savage" is not an original Tybird production or copy right..it is a concept that has been debated for generations...and with the exact wording of "noble savage." If anyone finds it offensive, go dig the bodies of the folks who coined the phrase and call them names.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
A phrase using the term "savage" is surprising to you...that its biased and outdated?
I never used the term surprising either.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
The pictures are amazing, though. Hopefully they'll be left alone to keep doing what they're doing.
I would bet money that religious missionaries will be asking for directions to these tribes immediately. :rolleyes:
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Why this has become more than my simple question , 'why do you think these people are savage?...' is beyond me.
To use the term noble savage, in reference to these people, holds a certain inference...savage was still the term used.
In your opinion....the Webster's dictionary in my hand also defines savage as primitive. To throw out phrases or knowledge that one disagrees with or finds offensive is exactly what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge practiced....Stalin and Hitler before them.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Just wondering about the term "savage"...which you have used to describe the new found people of the amazon.
I never directly referred to them as savages.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
In your opinion....the Webster's dictionary in my hand also defines savage as primitive. To throw out phrases or knowledge that one disagrees with or finds offensive is exactly what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge practiced....Stalin and Hitler before them.
whoa. The cia had more to do with the Khmer Rouge than any hundred jounalist, misquoting. And that's all this is, a mis-interpretation.
so these fuckers are going to burn in hell for eternity because they don't lick jesus' balls?
poor mexicans
I'm sorry but that is a bit much, don't you think?
and, although I am a Christian, I sincerely do not believe that someone who knows nothing of Jesus is held accountable for that. Nor do I believe that He does not say at the end of someone's life, "hey are you coming?". But I am a rare kind I suppose because I have told other Christians this thought and got my head cut off.
I know you were making a point, but don't you kind of think that was not respectful?
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/03/environment.rorycarroll
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
That is always a good thing.............
but yes, this was amazing and I am sure there are things we don't know about as well going on in the world like this. that is so cool; that there are things that we know nothing about that will make it interesting to see.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
Why this has become more than my simple question , 'why do you think these people are savage?...' is beyond me.
To use the term noble savage, in reference to these people, holds a certain inference...savage was still the term used.
Apparently there are college courses on this very subject http://faculty.washington.edu/ellingsn/Noble_Savage.html
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
two words
porn
you hear me, aliens?
Every time I took communion growing up it felt like I was being sodomized by the pope......but that's probably best left to another thread.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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what do you think they are talking about after the helicopter buzzed them?
http://www.youtube.com/v/E_1GhIjn8fY
well they are primitive so they don't have leaf blowers............yet
Words have context and a history. Tybird was expressing an opinion.
You are making an ass of yourself.
My opinion.
no it is just a character i play online
is your name really commy?
you can read...I assume, may be a bad idea...
I would bet money that religious missionaries will be asking for directions to these tribes immediately. :rolleyes:
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I'm sorry but that is a bit much, don't you think?
and, although I am a Christian, I sincerely do not believe that someone who knows nothing of Jesus is held accountable for that. Nor do I believe that He does not say at the end of someone's life, "hey are you coming?". But I am a rare kind I suppose because I have told other Christians this thought and got my head cut off.
I know you were making a point, but don't you kind of think that was not respectful?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........